Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

[Anonymous]

For a thread in which people seem to complain about social engineering, it seems odd to have so many proposals trying to keep FARMs rates fixed. It seems like the simplest solution is to assign the closest elementary schools to their respective high schools subject to the availability of space. Seems odd to think that we must keep the demographics constant.

I think the plurality of MCPS voters would agree that students should just attend the schools closest to their house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For a thread in which people seem to complain about social engineering, it seems odd to have so many proposals trying to keep FARMs rates fixed. It seems like the simplest solution is to assign the closest elementary schools to their respective high schools subject to the availability of space. Seems odd to think that we must keep the demographics constant.

I think the plurality of MCPS voters would agree that students should just attend the schools closest to their house.

Isn't that what Option 4 supposedly prioritizes?

[Anonymous]

if you send people to a 'worse' school against their wishes, they'll just move or go private. Then the FARMS predictions (as well as utilization) would be incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:For a thread in which people seem to complain about social engineering, it seems odd to have so many proposals trying to keep FARMs rates fixed. It seems like the simplest solution is to assign the closest elementary schools to their respective high schools subject to the availability of space. Seems odd to think that we must keep the demographics constant.

I think the plurality of MCPS voters would agree that students should just attend the schools closest to their house.

It's the trend of several school systems in trying to balance the demographics in their schools. Other school systems didn't have to rely on outside consultants.

If MCPS just focused on the closest elementary schools to Crown, they would've achieved this.

But they're coming up with crazy convoluted proposals to justify the hiring of the consultant company.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

They should remove the portables this summer, as every elementary school in the RM cluster has space available, with ES utilization projected to remain around 80%.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

They should remove the portables this summer, as every elementary school in the RM cluster has space available, with ES utilization projected to remain around 80%.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf

They’ll like add more portables to achieve lowered class sizes for K-2 since it was recently identified as a Focus school for 2025-2026.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

They should remove the portables this summer, as every elementary school in the RM cluster has space available, with ES utilization projected to remain around 80%.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf

They’ll likely add more portables to achieve lowered class sizes for K-2 since it was recently identified as a Focus school for 2025-2026.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

They should remove the portables this summer, as every elementary school in the RM cluster has space available, with ES utilization projected to remain around 80%.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf

RM boundary should have been redrawn to distribute kids to avoid Bayard Rustine needing portables but BOE can't be expected to do that.

There was actually a resolution by BOE to do this if and when Bayard Rustin becomes over crowded, but those resolutions are good for nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

They should remove the portables this summer, as every elementary school in the RM cluster has space available, with ES utilization projected to remain around 80%.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf

They’ll like add more portables to achieve lowered class sizes for K-2 since it was recently identified as a Focus school for 2025-2026.

+1

More portables are likely to come there unless BOE does the right thing and distribute kids in other schools with capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

They should remove the portables this summer, as every elementary school in the RM cluster has space available, with ES utilization projected to remain around 80%.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf

RM boundary should have been redrawn to distribute kids to avoid Bayard Rustine needing portables but BOE can't be expected to do that.

There was actually a resolution by BOE to do this if and when Bayard Rustin becomes over crowded, but those resolutions are good for nothing.

Maybe they could just move the immersion program to another school since those kids are generally bussed any way.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

They should remove the portables this summer, as every elementary school in the RM cluster has space available, with ES utilization projected to remain around 80%.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf

RM boundary should have been redrawn to distribute kids to avoid Bayard Rustine needing portables but BOE can't be expected to do that.

There was actually a resolution by BOE to do this if and when Bayard Rustin becomes over crowded, but those resolutions are good for nothing.

Maybe they could just move the immersion program to another school since those kids are generally bussed any way.

This is the most logical solution, however, immersion families and school administration will (and have) cry foul

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

They should remove the portables this summer, as every elementary school in the RM cluster has space available, with ES utilization projected to remain around 80%.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf

RM boundary should have been redrawn to distribute kids to avoid Bayard Rustine needing portables but BOE can't be expected to do that.

There was actually a resolution by BOE to do this if and when Bayard Rustin becomes over crowded, but those resolutions are good for nothing.

Maybe they could just move the immersion program to another school since those kids are generally bussed any way.

This is the most logical solution, however, immersion families and school administration will (and have) cry foul

Wasn't the immersion program at College Gardens not too long ago? They have ~200 seats free now.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

They should remove the portables this summer, as every elementary school in the RM cluster has space available, with ES utilization projected to remain around 80%.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf

RM boundary should have been redrawn to distribute kids to avoid Bayard Rustine needing portables but BOE can't be expected to do that.

There was actually a resolution by BOE to do this if and when Bayard Rustin becomes over crowded, but those resolutions are good for nothing.

Maybe they could just move the immersion program to another school since those kids are generally bussed any way.

This is the most logical solution, however, immersion families and school administration will (and have) cry foul

Wasn't the immersion program at College Gardens not too long ago? They have ~200 seats free now.

Yes—it moved when Rustin opened in 2018 and now the school is overcapacity. The immersion program belongs in a less-populated cluster. No RM elementary school can support it without portables, exceeding capacity, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.

It has 2 portables being used in middle of play area. Data is wrong.

They should remove the portables this summer, as every elementary school in the RM cluster has space available, with ES utilization projected to remain around 80%.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf

RM boundary should have been redrawn to distribute kids to avoid Bayard Rustine needing portables but BOE can't be expected to do that.

There was actually a resolution by BOE to do this if and when Bayard Rustin becomes over crowded, but those resolutions are good for nothing.

Maybe they could just move the immersion program to another school since those kids are generally bussed any way.

This is the most logical solution, however, immersion families and school administration will (and have) cry foul

Wasn't the immersion program at College Gardens not too long ago? They have ~200 seats free now.

Yes—it moved when Rustin opened in 2018 and now the school is overcapacity. The immersion program belongs in a less-populated cluster. No RM elementary school can support it without portables, exceeding capacity, etc.

How many students are in the immersion program?