Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Netanyahu wants to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from Palestine. We get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the Rafah action right now is limited according to the newscast I heard earlier today.

My question: even if no ceasefire, why could Israel not simply hold its position as of before taking over the border and let talks continue?

I assume Hamas has no way of acquiring additional weapons or soldiers, certainly not of any significance. We know Hamas--in terms of the ideas Hamas represents--cannot be totally obliterated. It took what, 600 years for England and Ireland to mostly settle their differences? (Talk about people who won't stop fighting each other.)The Irish during the 70s were not the same individuals who had fought England for centuries, the idea was sustained through generation after generation. The very reason Judaism remains Judaism is because ideas about core identity do not disappear until the people who hold those ideas abandon them.

I mentioned yesterday that it seems like they truly want to kill all Palestinians. Israeli soldiers killed 3 hostages waving white flags because they thought were Hamas. The point about that is it sounds like they have no idea who Hamas actually are, aside from the top leaders.

10/7 was absolutely terrifying, and it seems like Hamas was surprised by their success. Mainly because Israeli intelligence failed, as did security forces on the group initially.

We keep hearing that if Hamas isn’t eradicated right now that Israel will face extinction. But, I haven’t really understood how that’s even possible. They sound like a rag tag group and very few Israeli soldiers have died thankfully (though there is a very high rate of friendly fire). I had no idea what an intifada was and when I looked it up, many more Palestinians died than Jews in both of them.

But, the only people dying en masse right now, in actuality not in words/intention) are Palestinians, the majority of them innocent. And the world seems like they’re going to let him because to say otherwise means you can get fired from your job because you’re antisemitic.

[Anonymous]

PP and I’m all for eradicating Hamas leaders, but taking a breather, using intelligence and snipers to minimize civilian deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Rafah action right now is limited according to the newscast I heard earlier today.

My question: even if no ceasefire, why could Israel not simply hold its position as of before taking over the border and let talks continue?

I assume Hamas has no way of acquiring additional weapons or soldiers, certainly not of any significance. We know Hamas--in terms of the ideas Hamas represents--cannot be totally obliterated. It took what, 600 years for England and Ireland to mostly settle their differences? (Talk about people who won't stop fighting each other.)The Irish during the 70s were not the same individuals who had fought England for centuries, the idea was sustained through generation after generation. The very reason Judaism remains Judaism is because ideas about core identity do not disappear until the people who hold those ideas abandon them.

I mentioned yesterday that it seems like they truly want to kill all Palestinians. Israeli soldiers killed 3 hostages waving white flags because they thought were Hamas. The point about that is it sounds like they have no idea who Hamas actually are, aside from the top leaders.

10/7 was absolutely terrifying, and it seems like Hamas was surprised by their success. Mainly because Israeli intelligence failed, as did security forces on the group initially.

We keep hearing that if Hamas isn’t eradicated right now that Israel will face extinction. But, I haven’t really understood how that’s even possible. They sound like a rag tag group and very few Israeli soldiers have died thankfully (though there is a very high rate of friendly fire). I had no idea what an intifada was and when I looked it up, many more Palestinians died than Jews in both of them.

But, the only people dying en masse right now, in actuality not in words/intention) are Palestinians, the majority of them innocent. And the world seems like they’re going to let him because to say otherwise means you can get fired from your job because you’re antisemitic.

Quick question: are Palestinians who are Hamas supporters innocent? Because 70-90% of Palestinians in Gaza (now Rafeh) are Hamas supporters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Rafah action right now is limited according to the newscast I heard earlier today.

My question: even if no ceasefire, why could Israel not simply hold its position as of before taking over the border and let talks continue?

I assume Hamas has no way of acquiring additional weapons or soldiers, certainly not of any significance. We know Hamas--in terms of the ideas Hamas represents--cannot be totally obliterated. It took what, 600 years for England and Ireland to mostly settle their differences? (Talk about people who won't stop fighting each other.)The Irish during the 70s were not the same individuals who had fought England for centuries, the idea was sustained through generation after generation. The very reason Judaism remains Judaism is because ideas about core identity do not disappear until the people who hold those ideas abandon them.

I mentioned yesterday that it seems like they truly want to kill all Palestinians. Israeli soldiers killed 3 hostages waving white flags because they thought were Hamas. The point about that is it sounds like they have no idea who Hamas actually are, aside from the top leaders.

10/7 was absolutely terrifying, and it seems like Hamas was surprised by their success. Mainly because Israeli intelligence failed, as did security forces on the group initially.

We keep hearing that if Hamas isn’t eradicated right now that Israel will face extinction. But, I haven’t really understood how that’s even possible. They sound like a rag tag group and very few Israeli soldiers have died thankfully (though there is a very high rate of friendly fire). I had no idea what an intifada was and when I looked it up, many more Palestinians died than Jews in both of them.

But, the only people dying en masse right now, in actuality not in words/intention) are Palestinians, the majority of them innocent. And the world seems like they’re going to let him because to say otherwise means you can get fired from your job because you’re antisemitic.

Quick question: are Palestinians who are Hamas supporters innocent? Because 70-90% of Palestinians in Gaza (now Rafeh) are Hamas supporters.

Oh you mean after they’ve been completely decimated and watched alll their family members killed … who do you think they should support?

Secondly is death the punishment for ideology? Does “hamas” really and truly equal ANY Palestinian?

Israel is sick sick sick

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

Hamas did not agree to free living hostages. It proposed to substitute corpses.

Look I understand they are terrorists, but it seems like corpses are important to people. It said in pp's chart that Hamas also wanted Palestinian corpses from Israel. There was a story about a Palestinian man who quickly buried his children near the hospital, and when he went back for them they weren't there. I think they know it's in their best interest to keep people alive, but with Israel's indiscriminate bombing, they may have killed hostages. They killed 3 hostages (waving white flags) because they thought they were Hamas.

A reminder that no Israeli hostage would be dead had they not been taken hostage by Hamas, and no Palestinian in Gaza would be dead had Hamas not attacked Israel. Israel wants to prioritize live hostages, and rightfully so.

Honestly I am sure you heart is in the right place and you are repeating a common refrain but it just makes no sense. This logic of “they made me do it” “it’s all their fault”. Is the same exact logical that Hamas used in planning the 10/7 attacks. If you sincerely want security for Israel you need to stop parroting the common line and start thinking critically about what actions Israel can take to live peacefully. HINT: bombing Rafah is not accomplishing that goal. And ps. I’m Jewish and my critique of the Israeli govt reactions is not a sign that I am antisemetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Rafah action right now is limited according to the newscast I heard earlier today.

My question: even if no ceasefire, why could Israel not simply hold its position as of before taking over the border and let talks continue?

I assume Hamas has no way of acquiring additional weapons or soldiers, certainly not of any significance. We know Hamas--in terms of the ideas Hamas represents--cannot be totally obliterated. It took what, 600 years for England and Ireland to mostly settle their differences? (Talk about people who won't stop fighting each other.)The Irish during the 70s were not the same individuals who had fought England for centuries, the idea was sustained through generation after generation. The very reason Judaism remains Judaism is because ideas about core identity do not disappear until the people who hold those ideas abandon them.

I mentioned yesterday that it seems like they truly want to kill all Palestinians. Israeli soldiers killed 3 hostages waving white flags because they thought were Hamas. The point about that is it sounds like they have no idea who Hamas actually are, aside from the top leaders.

10/7 was absolutely terrifying, and it seems like Hamas was surprised by their success. Mainly because Israeli intelligence failed, as did security forces on the group initially.

We keep hearing that if Hamas isn’t eradicated right now that Israel will face extinction. But, I haven’t really understood how that’s even possible. They sound like a rag tag group and very few Israeli soldiers have died thankfully (though there is a very high rate of friendly fire). I had no idea what an intifada was and when I looked it up, many more Palestinians died than Jews in both of them.

But, the only people dying en masse right now, in actuality not in words/intention) are Palestinians, the majority of them innocent. And the world seems like they’re going to let him because to say otherwise means you can get fired from your job because you’re antisemitic.

Yes. This. I’m Jewish actually and am horrified about how Israel’s actions (and the US’s response) has made me less safe in the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Rafah action right now is limited according to the newscast I heard earlier today.

My question: even if no ceasefire, why could Israel not simply hold its position as of before taking over the border and let talks continue?

I assume Hamas has no way of acquiring additional weapons or soldiers, certainly not of any significance. We know Hamas--in terms of the ideas Hamas represents--cannot be totally obliterated. It took what, 600 years for England and Ireland to mostly settle their differences? (Talk about people who won't stop fighting each other.)The Irish during the 70s were not the same individuals who had fought England for centuries, the idea was sustained through generation after generation. The very reason Judaism remains Judaism is because ideas about core identity do not disappear until the people who hold those ideas abandon them.

I mentioned yesterday that it seems like they truly want to kill all Palestinians. Israeli soldiers killed 3 hostages waving white flags because they thought were Hamas. The point about that is it sounds like they have no idea who Hamas actually are, aside from the top leaders.

10/7 was absolutely terrifying, and it seems like Hamas was surprised by their success. Mainly because Israeli intelligence failed, as did security forces on the group initially.

We keep hearing that if Hamas isn’t eradicated right now that Israel will face extinction. But, I haven’t really understood how that’s even possible. They sound like a rag tag group and very few Israeli soldiers have died thankfully (though there is a very high rate of friendly fire). I had no idea what an intifada was and when I looked it up, many more Palestinians died than Jews in both of them.

But, the only people dying en masse right now, in actuality not in words/intention) are Palestinians, the majority of them innocent. And the world seems like they’re going to let him because to say otherwise means you can get fired from your job because you’re antisemitic.

Quick question: are Palestinians who are Hamas supporters innocent? Because 70-90% of Palestinians in Gaza (now Rafeh) are Hamas supporters.

What do you mean by “innocent”? Is Israel innocent? If you look at talky of deaths since its inception Israel has killed more Muslims than Muslims have killed Israelis.

I keep trying - esp bc I’m Jewish - to understand how I can support and justify Israel. But I just can’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Rafah action right now is limited according to the newscast I heard earlier today.

My question: even if no ceasefire, why could Israel not simply hold its position as of before taking over the border and let talks continue?

I assume Hamas has no way of acquiring additional weapons or soldiers, certainly not of any significance. We know Hamas--in terms of the ideas Hamas represents--cannot be totally obliterated. It took what, 600 years for England and Ireland to mostly settle their differences? (Talk about people who won't stop fighting each other.)The Irish during the 70s were not the same individuals who had fought England for centuries, the idea was sustained through generation after generation. The very reason Judaism remains Judaism is because ideas about core identity do not disappear until the people who hold those ideas abandon them.

I mentioned yesterday that it seems like they truly want to kill all Palestinians. Israeli soldiers killed 3 hostages waving white flags because they thought were Hamas. The point about that is it sounds like they have no idea who Hamas actually are, aside from the top leaders.

10/7 was absolutely terrifying, and it seems like Hamas was surprised by their success. Mainly because Israeli intelligence failed, as did security forces on the group initially.

We keep hearing that if Hamas isn’t eradicated right now that Israel will face extinction. But, I haven’t really understood how that’s even possible. They sound like a rag tag group and very few Israeli soldiers have died thankfully (though there is a very high rate of friendly fire). I had no idea what an intifada was and when I looked it up, many more Palestinians died than Jews in both of them.

But, the only people dying en masse right now, in actuality not in words/intention) are Palestinians, the majority of them innocent. And the world seems like they’re going to let him because to say otherwise means you can get fired from your job because you’re antisemitic.

Quick question: are Palestinians who are Hamas supporters innocent? Because 70-90% of Palestinians in Gaza (now Rafeh) are Hamas supporters.

No less innocent than anyone in Israel who voted for and/or who supports Likud and whatever batshit crazy parties Ben Gvir and Smotrich serve under, right?

Right?

Also, when making up statistics, you’d be better served by narrowing the range. Otherwise, you come across as a liar and a moron who doesn’t even understand how to present fake, manufactured statistics in a credible way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Rafah action right now is limited according to the newscast I heard earlier today.

My question: even if no ceasefire, why could Israel not simply hold its position as of before taking over the border and let talks continue?

I assume Hamas has no way of acquiring additional weapons or soldiers, certainly not of any significance. We know Hamas--in terms of the ideas Hamas represents--cannot be totally obliterated. It took what, 600 years for England and Ireland to mostly settle their differences? (Talk about people who won't stop fighting each other.)The Irish during the 70s were not the same individuals who had fought England for centuries, the idea was sustained through generation after generation. The very reason Judaism remains Judaism is because ideas about core identity do not disappear until the people who hold those ideas abandon them.

I mentioned yesterday that it seems like they truly want to kill all Palestinians. Israeli soldiers killed 3 hostages waving white flags because they thought were Hamas. The point about that is it sounds like they have no idea who Hamas actually are, aside from the top leaders.

10/7 was absolutely terrifying, and it seems like Hamas was surprised by their success. Mainly because Israeli intelligence failed, as did security forces on the group initially.

We keep hearing that if Hamas isn’t eradicated right now that Israel will face extinction. But, I haven’t really understood how that’s even possible. They sound like a rag tag group and very few Israeli soldiers have died thankfully (though there is a very high rate of friendly fire). I had no idea what an intifada was and when I looked it up, many more Palestinians died than Jews in both of them.

But, the only people dying en masse right now, in actuality not in words/intention) are Palestinians, the majority of them innocent. And the world seems like they’re going to let him because to say otherwise means you can get fired from your job because you’re antisemitic.

Quick question: are Palestinians who are Hamas supporters innocent? Because 70-90% of Palestinians in Gaza (now Rafeh) are Hamas supporters.

If a 5 year old orphan supports Hamas I don’t blame them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Rafah action right now is limited according to the newscast I heard earlier today.

My question: even if no ceasefire, why could Israel not simply hold its position as of before taking over the border and let talks continue?

I assume Hamas has no way of acquiring additional weapons or soldiers, certainly not of any significance. We know Hamas--in terms of the ideas Hamas represents--cannot be totally obliterated. It took what, 600 years for England and Ireland to mostly settle their differences? (Talk about people who won't stop fighting each other.)The Irish during the 70s were not the same individuals who had fought England for centuries, the idea was sustained through generation after generation. The very reason Judaism remains Judaism is because ideas about core identity do not disappear until the people who hold those ideas abandon them.

I mentioned yesterday that it seems like they truly want to kill all Palestinians. Israeli soldiers killed 3 hostages waving white flags because they thought were Hamas. The point about that is it sounds like they have no idea who Hamas actually are, aside from the top leaders.

10/7 was absolutely terrifying, and it seems like Hamas was surprised by their success. Mainly because Israeli intelligence failed, as did security forces on the group initially.

We keep hearing that if Hamas isn’t eradicated right now that Israel will face extinction. But, I haven’t really understood how that’s even possible. They sound like a rag tag group and very few Israeli soldiers have died thankfully (though there is a very high rate of friendly fire). I had no idea what an intifada was and when I looked it up, many more Palestinians died than Jews in both of them.

But, the only people dying en masse right now, in actuality not in words/intention) are Palestinians, the majority of them innocent. And the world seems like they’re going to let him because to say otherwise means you can get fired from your job because you’re antisemitic.

Quick question: are Palestinians who are Hamas supporters innocent? Because 70-90% of Palestinians in Gaza (now Rafeh) are Hamas supporters.

Oh you mean after they’ve been completely decimated and watched alll their family members killed … who do you think they should support?

Secondly is death the punishment for ideology? Does “hamas” really and truly equal ANY Palestinian?

Israel is sick sick sick

Hamas is as equal to a Palestinian as Donald Trump or Netanyahu are to Americans and Israelis . They are all anti leftists able to pick up on national grievances and vocalize them enough to pick up political clout and support. Hamas started out in an anti Palestinian way namely against the PLO but that was also a mirage they used to gain tacit support from Israel. From the beginning , they’ve always been outfoxing Israel and the PLO.

They considered offing Arafat, head of PlO but knew he was becoming an international figure so that would be bad on their part so they played things cool.


They lucked up extremely with W Bush in 2006 and the election and Ill advised “roadmap to peace”. They didn’t even win the majority in that election, they only won 44% but they were able to use a violent coup to kick out PLO members from Gaza . Ehud Barak, the previous PM, was a leftist and really not on Hamas side and put the blockade in action. Hamas would’ve economically choked /were on the road to crumbling but they lucked up again in 2009 when President Obama won and Likud/Netanyahu came back in power. They were able to benefit as Netanyahu realized that the pro-West Bank, anti -settlement Obama White House were pushing for peace and a two state solution, something he doesn’t want and Hamas also opposes. He started helping Hamas survive in government and ignoring their tunnels longer than he ever should’ve .

Hamas is a fluke that somehow was able to survive even as Palestinians die . I think the only ones to destroy Hamas will be Palestinians in Gaza not Israel. They have no desire for a post war Gaza as they know even Qatari money won’t be able to quell the damage Israel’s done in this war which is the deadliest in Palestinian history ever.


Bibi as well knows the country will flip on him the moment the war is over and blame him for 10/7

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

Hamas did not agree to free living hostages. It proposed to substitute corpses.

Look I understand they are terrorists, but it seems like corpses are important to people. It said in pp's chart that Hamas also wanted Palestinian corpses from Israel. There was a story about a Palestinian man who quickly buried his children near the hospital, and when he went back for them they weren't there. I think they know it's in their best interest to keep people alive, but with Israel's indiscriminate bombing, they may have killed hostages. They killed 3 hostages (waving white flags) because they thought they were Hamas.

Organ trafficking happens there too. The dead aren’t left alone either

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

The goalposts keep moving, it started with hostages and now we are at complete removal of Hamas. The truth is this a golden opportunity for Israelis to full fill their cherished dream of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. It’s too good an opportunity to pass on.

DP. I think Israel started with the goal of the removal of Hamas and has been continuing with that all along. They seem to have started with the assumption that all the hostages were already dead (something I initially assumed also) and some of them keep turning up alive, amazingly, months and months later.

I think some hostages are still alive and are with random families or in the tent cities not even with Hamas. The ones that ran to the IDF with white flags clearly weren’t held by Hamas unless Hamas knows the IDF so well they cruelly told them to run knowing IDF would shoot. Terrible situation either way

Maybe yelling in Hebrew would’ve worked .

I also think by this point we probably have extreme Stockholm Syndrome in some of them and perhaps after seeing the carnage and failure to come save them , a hatred ala Patty Hearst for Israel. I think Israel doesn’t want the hostages and sees them as this point as damaged goods they don’t want back in Israeli society . Horrible to say but that’s what it seems like. The families are still blocking roads and traffic in Israel for the sixth month but Bibi seemingly doesn’t seem to mind or care too much. He didn’t even go visit these families or check in with them at all some reports said . He only checked in with the ones who support him and don’t want a hostage return /immediate ceasefire

[Anonymous]

That was supposed to be a sad emoji not a happy face

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

The goalposts keep moving, it started with hostages and now we are at complete removal of Hamas. The truth is this a golden opportunity for Israelis to full fill their cherished dream of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. It’s too good an opportunity to pass on.

DP. I think Israel started with the goal of the removal of Hamas and has been continuing with that all along. They seem to have started with the assumption that all the hostages were already dead (something I initially assumed also) and some of them keep turning up alive, amazingly, months and months later.

I think some hostages are still alive and are with random families or in the tent cities not even with Hamas. The ones that ran to the IDF with white flags clearly weren’t held by Hamas unless Hamas knows the IDF so well they cruelly told them to run knowing IDF would shoot. Terrible situation either way

Maybe yelling in Hebrew would’ve worked .

I also think by this point we probably have extreme Stockholm Syndrome in some of them and perhaps after seeing the carnage and failure to come save them , a hatred ala Patty Hearst for Israel. I think Israel doesn’t want the hostages and sees them as this point as damaged goods they don’t want back in Israeli society . Horrible to say but that’s what it seems like. The families are still blocking roads and traffic in Israel for the sixth month but Bibi seemingly doesn’t seem to mind or care too much. He didn’t even go visit these families or check in with them at all some reports said . He only checked in with the ones who support him and don’t want a hostage return /immediate ceasefire

They DID yell in Hebrew. They absolutely DID. While waving white flags. And were STILL shot