Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

A cease fire would be nice and I can see how Hamas would agree to that (would they actually follow a cease fire?) but I can also see how Israel wouldn't be keen on those conditions. Basically, give Gaza back to Hamas and help them rebuild it. Period, the end. Maybe it would a true route to peace - but Israel is not at a point where they are ready to forgive Hamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A cease fire would be nice and I can see how Hamas would agree to that (would they actually follow a cease fire?) but I can also see how Israel wouldn't be keen on those conditions. Basically, give Gaza back to Hamas and help them rebuild it. Period, the end. Maybe it would a true route to peace - but Israel is not at a point where they are ready to forgive Hamas.

So Israel failed in its war to uproot Hamas and thenew definition of success is the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and Israeli control of the land? So like a genocide? So nice to have the Zionazis just say it out loud, it’s been a frustrating 7 months of getting the International Community to read the room.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A cease fire would be nice and I can see how Hamas would agree to that (would they actually follow a cease fire?) but I can also see how Israel wouldn't be keen on those conditions. Basically, give Gaza back to Hamas and help them rebuild it. Period, the end. Maybe it would a true route to peace - but Israel is not at a point where they are ready to forgive Hamas.

Israel has not lived up to one of its agreements with any group including the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

Just admit it - you want every Palestinian man, woman and child dead

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

Because god literally personally gave you this land?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

The goalposts keep moving, it started with hostages and now we are at complete removal of Hamas. The truth is this a golden opportunity for Israelis to full fill their cherished dream of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. It’s too good an opportunity to pass on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

The goalposts keep moving, it started with hostages and now we are at complete removal of Hamas. The truth is this a golden opportunity for Israelis to full fill their cherished dream of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. It’s too good an opportunity to pass on.

DP. I think Israel started with the goal of the removal of Hamas and has been continuing with that all along. They seem to have started with the assumption that all the hostages were already dead (something I initially assumed also) and some of them keep turning up alive, amazingly, months and months later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

What about deradicalization of Israel? There can be no peace until Israel recognizes Palestinians as human beings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today, Biden made two things very clear.

One, the individuals questioning or criticizing his depth of subservience to Israel are abject liars.

Two, this 2024 election is now Trump's to lose. Defiant to the bitter end, Biden threw in the towel on any hope of winning the 18 - 49 demographic with that speech.

Seems like you want that to be true. Why?

Incorrect. I wish it wasn't true because the alternative is problematic in so many ways. However, even an incumbent campaigning against a horrific candidate like Trump won't be able to retrieve enough of the base that he's managed to compromise so decisively in the past seven months. What's ironic, to me at least, is that he ALSO managed to chip away at the smaller base of Jewish American voters along with way. There are voices out there that Biden isn't doing ENOUGH for Israel and Jewish Americans, which everyone else is looking on aghast like "What more can the guy possibly do to jam his thumb further onto the scale?" - ultimately, he managed to detonate a charge under his progressive base AND his stalwart Jewish American voter base.

Astounding - just astounding.

Strategists in Trump's camp HAVE to be looking at each other and thinking "Is this for real?!" and "I cannot believe this guy is clearing our path to the finish line".

[Anonymous]

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today called on the Biden administration to condemn the Israeli takeover of the Rafah Crossing and the alleged execution of 20 Palestinians by Israeli forces

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-calls-on-biden-to-condemn-israeli-takeover-of-rafah-crossing-reported-execution-of-20-employees/

I guess this will be a lot more blooded with a lot more civilians killed? Israel is dropping all pretense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

Hamas did not agree to free living hostages. It proposed to substitute corpses.

[Anonymous]

Israeli security forces raided Al Jazeera’s Jerusalem offices and confiscated the network’s communication equipment Sunday, as part of a clampdown on press freedom that saw Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government halt Al Jazeera’s cable and satellite broadcasts within the country and block access to its websites.

The Israeli satellite service Yes reportedly displayed a message Sunday that read: “In accordance with the government decision, the Al Jazeera station’s broadcasts have been stopped in Israel.”

This jarring attack on a network that is broadly recognized for its bold coverage of news from across the Middle East—including its unrivaled coverage of the Israeli assault on Gaza—drew an immediate outcry from media outlets, independent journalists, and advocates for freedom of expression in Israel and around the world. It is an outcry to which President Joe Biden must add his voice, loudly, emphatically, and immediately.

This isn’t the time for a mumbled “expression of concern” from a State Department underling. This is a red-alert moment for press freedom

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-al-jazeera-israel-ban/

Biden would not be so weak on this if it was any other country but “expression of concern” by underlings is all Israel gets. Use starvation as a weapon of war, kill reporters, blow of hospitals, IDF units proved to commit war crimes in the WB, 12,000 new settlements in the WB, etc. is is all just concerning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

Hamas did not agree to free living hostages. It proposed to substitute corpses.

Do you have a credible source ie not Israel or US?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the proposal Israel rejected.

There is no ceasefire unless Hamas is removed from all and any governmental functions, all Hamas members, supporters, and affiliates (including those in the UN) are tried and punished by a neutral third party led by the United State, and a clear plan to deradicalize Palestinians is put in place.

There can be no peace until there is no Hamas. That has always been the goal. There can be temporary agreements to return hostages, but there is no reasonable world where Israel surrenders unconditionally.

Hamas did not agree to free living hostages. It proposed to substitute corpses.

Do you have a credible source ie not Israel or US?

"Credible source" means not only not Israel but also not US? Where exactly are you typing from, Comrade? Do your leaders like Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/three-phase-ceasefire-deal-hamas-backs-israel-does-not-2024-05-06/

The deal was supposed to be for living hostages, but Hamas agreed to its own proposal that they could fulfill the agreement with corpses. As many as they please.