Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m truly fascinated by the phenomenon here that when someone posts something less than full blown American engagement with Ukraine against Russian, that person is branded by someone else as a propagandist or Russian bot.

It’s worth a behavioral study.

On the contrary. I only call out a bot when it posts repetitive content seen on other websites. Could be wrong I don't see too much of it here, since when I saw the activity the bot got ripped to shreds? I think paid Russian propaganda trolls are still common on this website. But I think I can tell when those two people are taking a break. This thread dies down a lot.

Although I do think that both Russian and Chinese bot activity will pick up. I've seen a lot of Software Developer Kit activity as of late from Russian and Chinese state universities. But given how badly Russian propaganda has devolved, I don't think it will be anytime soon?

Simonyan (aka "Margo the Beaver"): "They want to take our beloved Crimea from us, and we are doing the only thing we can do in such a situation: we are bombing them! We bomb them daily, everything that moves. How did we want this? I know for sure that our management did not want it. Putin is shedding tears in his soul, but he has to bomb."
https://www.reflex.cz/clanek/profil/119043/jefim-fistejn-bobrozroutka-margo-aneb-pohledna-bohata-a-krute-prolhana-tvar-putinovy-propagandy.html

"Russian President Vladimir Putin declared last week that beer in Prague, where a summit between Kremlin critics recently took place, contains “female sex hormones”"
https://news.yahoo.com/former-moscow-officials-reveal-why-025231101.html

Yeesh.

You call out a bot anytime anyone disagrees with you, or as much as doesn't share your fervor for the Ukrainian cause. On top of that is your nonstop cosplay as a thread police.

What I read? Blah, blah, blah. In the meantime, please enjoy this article of Russia's shrinking island..

"Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and a delegation of his colleagues went to China this week with the hopes of further enhancing economic ties with Beijing."
"But Mishustin’s counterpart, the Chairman of the State Council Li Qiang, who invited him on the visit, reportedly refused to meet with him at the China-Russia Business Forum on Tuesday, according to Russian newspaper Vedomosti."
"Other top officials and managers of major Chinese companies also declined to meet with him and his colleagues, many of whom are sanctioned in the West due to Russia’s war in Ukraine, Vedomosti reported."

You're going off the deep end. Here's what actually happened: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-china-seal-economic-pacts-western-disapproval-rcna85948

Russia’s prime minister signed a set of agreements with China on Wednesday during a trip to Beijing, describing bilateral ties at an unprecedented high, despite disapproval from the West of their relationship as the war in Ukraine dragged on.

Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin — the highest-ranking Russian official to visit Beijing since Moscow sent thousands of its troops to Ukraine in Feb. 2022 — held talks with Chinese Premier Li Qiang and met with President Xi Jinping.

“Today, relations between Russia and China are at an unprecedented high level,” Mishustin told Li in their meeting.

“They are characterized by mutual respect of each other’s interests, the desire to jointly respond to challenges, which is associated with increased turbulence in the international arena and the pressure of illegitimate sanctions from the collective West,” he said.

“As our Chinese friends say, unity makes it possible to move mountains.”

The memorandums of understanding signed included an agreement to deepen investment cooperation in trade services, a pact on export of agricultural products to China, and another on sports cooperation.

Russia’s energy shipments to China are projected to rise 40% this year, and the two countries are discussing technological equipment supplies to Russia, Interfax news agency reported.
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“China is willing to work with Russia to implement the joint cooperation between the two countries, and promoting pragmatic cooperation in various fields can take it to a new level,” Li told Mishustin.

Yeah. I don't think you get Chinese culture. There is also a Chinese saying along the lines of "I have no eyes".

When you're not permitted to meet directly with Companies in China, it means that deals won't be made at that level. This is a typical method of Chinese control of lesser organizations. It means that someone more powerful is pulling all the strings and is setting the prices and you won't get anywhere unless you go through only them.

Let me guess, Russia is selling China oil, grain and just about anything Russia used to export at a deep discount in exchange for Chinese technology at a premium, right?

Just wait and see what happens once Putin passes. Russia will likely be a satellite country of China not too far down the road, because they won't be in a position to do much else.

But you said Li refused to meet with him and he didn’t, so where else are you wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

On 2020, Donbas would have picked to be part of Russia. Now, they have changed their mind and want to be Ukraine.

Well if it’s such a fickle matter, why should we care?

Because Russia is basically pre-WWII Nazi Germany, except way more dangerous. The question is, 'would you have contained Hitler in 1938?' In 20/20 hindsight, the answer is 'yes'. It would have saved millions of lives.

Here you go. Phosphorous bombs on civilian buildings. No, it's not a video game. It's real.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993

The Russian Army is out of control - raping women, kidnapping children, murdering civilians and executing POWs. The Europeans are pretty freaked out. The Russian Government is an organized crime family in charge of nuclear weapons. Show any weakness or fear, and yes, they will not stop. The Russian Government prides itself on ruthlessness and, for the lack of a better word, evil.

That’s propaganda. Also, I’m in Europe right now and no one is freaked out at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

On 2020, Donbas would have picked to be part of Russia. Now, they have changed their mind and want to be Ukraine.

Well if it’s such a fickle matter, why should we care?

Because Russia is basically pre-WWII Nazi Germany, except way more dangerous. The question is, 'would you have contained Hitler in 1938?' In 20/20 hindsight, the answer is 'yes'. It would have saved millions of lives.

Here you go. Phosphorous bombs on civilian buildings. No, it's not a video game. It's real.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993

The Russian Army is out of control - raping women, kidnapping children, murdering civilians and executing POWs. The Europeans are pretty freaked out. The Russian Government is an organized crime family in charge of nuclear weapons. Show any weakness or fear, and yes, they will not stop. The Russian Government prides itself on ruthlessness and, for the lack of a better word, evil.

It is far worse than that.

Russia actively interferes with U.S. politics; they have done so throughout the Cold War (even going back to the 1920s).

Now they use the internet and they are extreme effective. They back radicals on the left, and now on the right too.

Why?

- to weaken the only other super-power: the USA. Yes - they still believe they are fighting the Cold War against “the West” and primarily the USA. And they believe they can “win.”

It is irrelevant if you believe the war is over. As long as Putin believes it, and he seeks to reestablish the USSR, then:

- the Cold War is still on.

The EU mistakenly believed Russia under Putin could be their “trading partner.”

They now see they are still at war (the Cold War) with Russia.

And the Slavic states won’t let NATO or the EU fall into the trap of a “peace deal” with Putin.

Peace with Putin is no more realistic than peace with Hitler would have been. Putin must die (or go on trial) and his regime must absolutely fall. There is no other way forward.

That’s exactly what they said about Saddam and see where that led. The US just LOVES the “righteous war” rhetoric, and for that, they need to paint the picture of them bad, us good, or it won’t fly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

Does anyone really care if Donbas wanted to be part of Mars?
Russia attacked a smaller (weaker) nation because it could. The politics or backstory are not interesting at all to the west (or me); watching Russians get their military blown to pieces is just priceless.
I’ll get bored of this in like 2 or 3 years…maybe…but first 15 months have been rewarding.

The international embarrassment of Putin has been more entertaining than I could ever have imagined. No one likes war, and I worry about the innocents destroyed in the process, but I’ve been so impressed with the fortitude of Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m truly fascinated by the phenomenon here that when someone posts something less than full blown American engagement with Ukraine against Russian, that person is branded by someone else as a propagandist or Russian bot.

It’s worth a behavioral study.

I have a theory that it’s some Ukrainian who just became a US citizen who is doing most of it.
However you can see the same phenomenon with many other things: covid, diversity in schools, etc.

I have a theory that JSTEELE sold out to the Russians. Doesn't mean it's true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m truly fascinated by the phenomenon here that when someone posts something less than full blown American engagement with Ukraine against Russian, that person is branded by someone else as a propagandist or Russian bot.

It’s worth a behavioral study.

On the contrary. I only call out a bot when it posts repetitive content seen on other websites. Could be wrong I don't see too much of it here, since when I saw the activity the bot got ripped to shreds? I think paid Russian propaganda trolls are still common on this website. But I think I can tell when those two people are taking a break. This thread dies down a lot.

Although I do think that both Russian and Chinese bot activity will pick up. I've seen a lot of Software Developer Kit activity as of late from Russian and Chinese state universities. But given how badly Russian propaganda has devolved, I don't think it will be anytime soon?

Simonyan (aka "Margo the Beaver"): "They want to take our beloved Crimea from us, and we are doing the only thing we can do in such a situation: we are bombing them! We bomb them daily, everything that moves. How did we want this? I know for sure that our management did not want it. Putin is shedding tears in his soul, but he has to bomb."
https://www.reflex.cz/clanek/profil/119043/jefim-fistejn-bobrozroutka-margo-aneb-pohledna-bohata-a-krute-prolhana-tvar-putinovy-propagandy.html

"Russian President Vladimir Putin declared last week that beer in Prague, where a summit between Kremlin critics recently took place, contains “female sex hormones”"
https://news.yahoo.com/former-moscow-officials-reveal-why-025231101.html

Yeesh.

You call out a bot anytime anyone disagrees with you, or as much as doesn't share your fervor for the Ukrainian cause. On top of that is your nonstop cosplay as a thread police.

What I read? Blah, blah, blah. In the meantime, please enjoy this article of Russia's shrinking island..

"Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and a delegation of his colleagues went to China this week with the hopes of further enhancing economic ties with Beijing."
"But Mishustin’s counterpart, the Chairman of the State Council Li Qiang, who invited him on the visit, reportedly refused to meet with him at the China-Russia Business Forum on Tuesday, according to Russian newspaper Vedomosti."
"Other top officials and managers of major Chinese companies also declined to meet with him and his colleagues, many of whom are sanctioned in the West due to Russia’s war in Ukraine, Vedomosti reported."

You're going off the deep end. Here's what actually happened: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-china-seal-economic-pacts-western-disapproval-rcna85948

Russia’s prime minister signed a set of agreements with China on Wednesday during a trip to Beijing, describing bilateral ties at an unprecedented high, despite disapproval from the West of their relationship as the war in Ukraine dragged on.

Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin — the highest-ranking Russian official to visit Beijing since Moscow sent thousands of its troops to Ukraine in Feb. 2022 — held talks with Chinese Premier Li Qiang and met with President Xi Jinping.

“Today, relations between Russia and China are at an unprecedented high level,” Mishustin told Li in their meeting.

“They are characterized by mutual respect of each other’s interests, the desire to jointly respond to challenges, which is associated with increased turbulence in the international arena and the pressure of illegitimate sanctions from the collective West,” he said.

“As our Chinese friends say, unity makes it possible to move mountains.”

The memorandums of understanding signed included an agreement to deepen investment cooperation in trade services, a pact on export of agricultural products to China, and another on sports cooperation.

Russia’s energy shipments to China are projected to rise 40% this year, and the two countries are discussing technological equipment supplies to Russia, Interfax news agency reported.
..

“China is willing to work with Russia to implement the joint cooperation between the two countries, and promoting pragmatic cooperation in various fields can take it to a new level,” Li told Mishustin.

Yeah. I don't think you get Chinese culture. There is also a Chinese saying along the lines of "I have no eyes".

When you're not permitted to meet directly with Companies in China, it means that deals won't be made at that level. This is a typical method of Chinese control of lesser organizations. It means that someone more powerful is pulling all the strings and is setting the prices and you won't get anywhere unless you go through only them.

Let me guess, Russia is selling China oil, grain and just about anything Russia used to export at a deep discount in exchange for Chinese technology at a premium, right?

Just wait and see what happens once Putin passes. Russia will likely be a satellite country of China not too far down the road, because they won't be in a position to do much else.

But you said Li refused to meet with him and he didn’t, so where else are you wrong?

Not sure where you got that? Never said Li refused to meet him. It was the Chinese major companies that closed their doors when the Russians tried to bypass Li's office. In other words, there was only one door open for the Russians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

On 2020, Donbas would have picked to be part of Russia. Now, they have changed their mind and want to be Ukraine.

Well if it’s such a fickle matter, why should we care?

Because Russia is basically pre-WWII Nazi Germany, except way more dangerous. The question is, 'would you have contained Hitler in 1938?' In 20/20 hindsight, the answer is 'yes'. It would have saved millions of lives.

Here you go. Phosphorous bombs on civilian buildings. No, it's not a video game. It's real.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993

The Russian Army is out of control - raping women, kidnapping children, murdering civilians and executing POWs. The Europeans are pretty freaked out. The Russian Government is an organized crime family in charge of nuclear weapons. Show any weakness or fear, and yes, they will not stop. The Russian Government prides itself on ruthlessness and, for the lack of a better word, evil.

That’s propaganda. Also, I’m in Europe right now and no one is freaked out at all.

Depends on where in Europe you are. Certainly not Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia or any of the Baltic states sharing a border with Russia or Ukraine.

But the line between Good and Evil is empathy, so if you can watch the video and not feel anything, not care that the Russian Army rapes, kidnaps, murders, executes POWs; it may say more about who you are than anything? Just sayin'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

On 2020, Donbas would have picked to be part of Russia. Now, they have changed their mind and want to be Ukraine.

Well if it’s such a fickle matter, why should we care?

Because Russia is basically pre-WWII Nazi Germany, except way more dangerous. The question is, 'would you have contained Hitler in 1938?' In 20/20 hindsight, the answer is 'yes'. It would have saved millions of lives.

Here you go. Phosphorous bombs on civilian buildings. No, it's not a video game. It's real.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993

The Russian Army is out of control - raping women, kidnapping children, murdering civilians and executing POWs. The Europeans are pretty freaked out. The Russian Government is an organized crime family in charge of nuclear weapons. Show any weakness or fear, and yes, they will not stop. The Russian Government prides itself on ruthlessness and, for the lack of a better word, evil.

It is far worse than that.

Russia actively interferes with U.S. politics; they have done so throughout the Cold War (even going back to the 1920s).

Now they use the internet and they are extreme effective. They back radicals on the left, and now on the right too.

Why?

- to weaken the only other super-power: the USA. Yes - they still believe they are fighting the Cold War against “the West” and primarily the USA. And they believe they can “win.”

It is irrelevant if you believe the war is over. As long as Putin believes it, and he seeks to reestablish the USSR, then:

- the Cold War is still on.

The EU mistakenly believed Russia under Putin could be their “trading partner.”

They now see they are still at war (the Cold War) with Russia.

And the Slavic states won’t let NATO or the EU fall into the trap of a “peace deal” with Putin.

Peace with Putin is no more realistic than peace with Hitler would have been. Putin must die (or go on trial) and his regime must absolutely fall. There is no other way forward.

That’s exactly what they said about Saddam and see where that led. The US just LOVES the “righteous war” rhetoric, and for that, they need to paint the picture of them bad, us good, or it won’t fly.

A moral relativist, huh? Yeah. Not much can be done about that. It takes time to learn 'right' and 'wrong'.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Russia hits Financial Action Task Force black list next month they are done as a nation. That is where n Korea, Iran and Myanmar live.
Russia gets out in a box with the worst of the worst; and no nation comes out of that box.

All these sanctions are just making Russia stronger economically. They now have the lowest inflation in the Eurozone and hit a low in unemployment.

https://www.rt.com/business/576764-russia-lowest-inflation-europe/

The economic theories sanctions are based on are turning out to be outdated. Its just pushing Russia into a combination of new trade patterns and autarky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

In 1991 during the dissolution of the Soviet Union, both Donbas and Crimea voted to not be part of Russia and to be part of Ukraine instead. The 2014 "separatist" movement of Donbas was widely instigated by Russian FSB, mercenaries and other forms of "little green men" who came in from Russia and took over local governments / installed puppet leaders. This was a Russian power grab and attempt to destabilize Ukraine in the hopes of seizing it as an act of revenge after Ukraine started trying to join the EU. Joining the EU was widely and popularly supported by a majority of Ukrainian people along with the Verkhovna Rada but was betrayed and derailed by Yanukovich, who was aligned to Putin. That's what led to the Crimean invasion and the so-called Donbas separatism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Russia hits Financial Action Task Force black list next month they are done as a nation. That is where n Korea, Iran and Myanmar live.
Russia gets out in a box with the worst of the worst; and no nation comes out of that box.

All these sanctions are just making Russia stronger economically. They now have the lowest inflation in the Eurozone and hit a low in unemployment.

https://www.rt.com/business/576764-russia-lowest-inflation-europe/

The economic theories sanctions are based on are turning out to be outdated. Its just pushing Russia into a combination of new trade patterns and autarky.

RT propaganda. Russia's economic numbers are fake and they have low unemployment because they have hundreds of thousands of prime working age males dead or otherwise in the Ukraine meat grinder waiting to become dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

On 2020, Donbas would have picked to be part of Russia. Now, they have changed their mind and want to be Ukraine.

Well if it’s such a fickle matter, why should we care?

Because Russia is basically pre-WWII Nazi Germany, except way more dangerous. The question is, 'would you have contained Hitler in 1938?' In 20/20 hindsight, the answer is 'yes'. It would have saved millions of lives.

Here you go. Phosphorous bombs on civilian buildings. No, it's not a video game. It's real.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993

The Russian Army is out of control - raping women, kidnapping children, murdering civilians and executing POWs. The Europeans are pretty freaked out. The Russian Government is an organized crime family in charge of nuclear weapons. Show any weakness or fear, and yes, they will not stop. The Russian Government prides itself on ruthlessness and, for the lack of a better word, evil.

That’s propaganda. Also, I’m in Europe right now and no one is freaked out at all.

Depends on where in Europe you are. Certainly not Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia or any of the Baltic states sharing a border with Russia or Ukraine.

But the line between Good and Evil is empathy, so if you can watch the video and not feel anything, not care that the Russian Army rapes, kidnaps, murders, executes POWs; it may say more about who you are than anything? Just sayin'

Attitude in Poland and the Baltics is less panic and more "oh no, not these Russian a-holes again, we won't let a repeat of what they did last time happen."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

Does anyone really care if Donbas wanted to be part of Mars?
Russia attacked a smaller (weaker) nation because it could. The politics or backstory are not interesting at all to the west (or me); watching Russians get their military blown to pieces is just priceless.
I’ll get bored of this in like 2 or 3 years…maybe…but first 15 months have been rewarding.

The international embarrassment of Putin has been more entertaining than I could ever have imagined. No one likes war, and I worry about the innocents destroyed in the process, but I’ve been so impressed with the fortitude of Ukraine.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

In 1991 during the dissolution of the Soviet Union, both Donbas and Crimea voted to not be part of Russia and to be part of Ukraine instead. The 2014 "separatist" movement of Donbas was widely instigated by Russian FSB, mercenaries and other forms of "little green men" who came in from Russia and took over local governments / installed puppet leaders. This was a Russian power grab and attempt to destabilize Ukraine in the hopes of seizing it as an act of revenge after Ukraine started trying to join the EU. Joining the EU was widely and popularly supported by a majority of Ukrainian people along with the Verkhovna Rada but was betrayed and derailed by Yanukovich, who was aligned to Putin. That's what led to the Crimean invasion and the so-called Donbas separatism.

You conveniently skipped right past the 2014 coup. Being ruled by a bunch of insurrectionists changed a lot of people's minds about who they wanted to be a part of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

On 2020, Donbas would have picked to be part of Russia. Now, they have changed their mind and want to be Ukraine.

Well if it’s such a fickle matter, why should we care?

Because Russia is basically pre-WWII Nazi Germany, except way more dangerous. The question is, 'would you have contained Hitler in 1938?' In 20/20 hindsight, the answer is 'yes'. It would have saved millions of lives.

Here you go. Phosphorous bombs on civilian buildings. No, it's not a video game. It's real.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993

The Russian Army is out of control - raping women, kidnapping children, murdering civilians and executing POWs. The Europeans are pretty freaked out. The Russian Government is an organized crime family in charge of nuclear weapons. Show any weakness or fear, and yes, they will not stop. The Russian Government prides itself on ruthlessness and, for the lack of a better word, evil.

It is far worse than that.

Russia actively interferes with U.S. politics; they have done so throughout the Cold War (even going back to the 1920s).

Now they use the internet and they are extreme effective. They back radicals on the left, and now on the right too.

Why?

- to weaken the only other super-power: the USA. Yes - they still believe they are fighting the Cold War against “the West” and primarily the USA. And they believe they can “win.”

It is irrelevant if you believe the war is over. As long as Putin believes it, and he seeks to reestablish the USSR, then:

- the Cold War is still on.

The EU mistakenly believed Russia under Putin could be their “trading partner.”

They now see they are still at war (the Cold War) with Russia.

And the Slavic states won’t let NATO or the EU fall into the trap of a “peace deal” with Putin.

Peace with Putin is no more realistic than peace with Hitler would have been. Putin must die (or go on trial) and his regime must absolutely fall. There is no other way forward.

That’s exactly what they said about Saddam and see where that led. The US just LOVES the “righteous war” rhetoric, and for that, they need to paint the picture of them bad, us good, or it won’t fly.

A moral relativist, huh? Yeah. Not much can be done about that. It takes time to learn 'right' and 'wrong'.

An American apologist, huh?