Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

In 1991 during the dissolution of the Soviet Union, both Donbas and Crimea voted to not be part of Russia and to be part of Ukraine instead. The 2014 "separatist" movement of Donbas was widely instigated by Russian FSB, mercenaries and other forms of "little green men" who came in from Russia and took over local governments / installed puppet leaders. This was a Russian power grab and attempt to destabilize Ukraine in the hopes of seizing it as an act of revenge after Ukraine started trying to join the EU. Joining the EU was widely and popularly supported by a majority of Ukrainian people along with the Verkhovna Rada but was betrayed and derailed by Yanukovich, who was aligned to Putin. That's what led to the Crimean invasion and the so-called Donbas separatism.

You conveniently skipped right past the 2014 coup. Being ruled by a bunch of insurrectionists changed a lot of people's minds about who they wanted to be a part of.

No, I didn't skip over it.

What "changed peoples minds" was the fake separatist movement, which I referred to above, "The 2014 "separatist" movement of Donbas was widely instigated by Russian FSB, mercenaries and other forms of "little green men" who came in from Russia and took over local governments / installed puppet leaders." - it was and is every bit as phony as the "referenda" of Zaporizhzhia, Kherson and other oblasts to join Russia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m truly fascinated by the phenomenon here that when someone posts something less than full blown American engagement with Ukraine against Russian, that person is branded by someone else as a propagandist or Russian bot.

It’s worth a behavioral study.

I have a theory that it’s some Ukrainian who just became a US citizen who is doing most of it.
However you can see the same phenomenon with many other things: covid, diversity in schools, etc.

I am Ukrainian and US citizen and I do not support this massive money laundering that US got involved to.

[Anonymous]

Support for sanctions on Russia and arms transfers to Ukraine are waning according to a University of Chicago poll:
https://www.rt.com/news/576858-poll-us-public-sours-on-russia-sanctions/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

In 1991 during the dissolution of the Soviet Union, both Donbas and Crimea voted to not be part of Russia and to be part of Ukraine instead. The 2014 "separatist" movement of Donbas was widely instigated by Russian FSB, mercenaries and other forms of "little green men" who came in from Russia and took over local governments / installed puppet leaders. This was a Russian power grab and attempt to destabilize Ukraine in the hopes of seizing it as an act of revenge after Ukraine started trying to join the EU. Joining the EU was widely and popularly supported by a majority of Ukrainian people along with the Verkhovna Rada but was betrayed and derailed by Yanukovich, who was aligned to Putin. That's what led to the Crimean invasion and the so-called Donbas separatism.

You conveniently skipped right past the 2014 coup. Being ruled by a bunch of insurrectionists changed a lot of people's minds about who they wanted to be a part of.

No, I didn't skip over it.

What "changed peoples minds" was the fake separatist movement, which I referred to above, "The 2014 "separatist" movement of Donbas was widely instigated by Russian FSB, mercenaries and other forms of "little green men" who came in from Russia and took over local governments / installed puppet leaders." - it was and is every bit as phony as the "referenda" of Zaporizhzhia, Kherson and other oblasts to join Russia.

You don’t know that it was fake. I think it’s pretty much acknowledged that Kyiv didn’t handle that region right, and forced Ukrainizatuin was a mistake. I have friends in that area and they had no love whatsoever for the government, before or after 2014. It was just a miserable place to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m truly fascinated by the phenomenon here that when someone posts something less than full blown American engagement with Ukraine against Russian, that person is branded by someone else as a propagandist or Russian bot.

It’s worth a behavioral study.

On the contrary. I only call out a bot when it posts repetitive content seen on other websites. Could be wrong I don't see too much of it here, since when I saw the activity the bot got ripped to shreds? I think paid Russian propaganda trolls are still common on this website. But I think I can tell when those two people are taking a break. This thread dies down a lot.

Although I do think that both Russian and Chinese bot activity will pick up. I've seen a lot of Software Developer Kit activity as of late from Russian and Chinese state universities. But given how badly Russian propaganda has devolved, I don't think it will be anytime soon?

Simonyan (aka "Margo the Beaver"): "They want to take our beloved Crimea from us, and we are doing the only thing we can do in such a situation: we are bombing them! We bomb them daily, everything that moves. How did we want this? I know for sure that our management did not want it. Putin is shedding tears in his soul, but he has to bomb."
https://www.reflex.cz/clanek/profil/119043/jefim-fistejn-bobrozroutka-margo-aneb-pohledna-bohata-a-krute-prolhana-tvar-putinovy-propagandy.html

"Russian President Vladimir Putin declared last week that beer in Prague, where a summit between Kremlin critics recently took place, contains “female sex hormones”"
https://news.yahoo.com/former-moscow-officials-reveal-why-025231101.html

Yeesh.

You call out a bot anytime anyone disagrees with you, or as much as doesn't share your fervor for the Ukrainian cause. On top of that is your nonstop cosplay as a thread police.

What I read? Blah, blah, blah. In the meantime, please enjoy this article of Russia's shrinking island..

"Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and a delegation of his colleagues went to China this week with the hopes of further enhancing economic ties with Beijing."
"But Mishustin’s counterpart, the Chairman of the State Council Li Qiang, who invited him on the visit, reportedly refused to meet with him at the China-Russia Business Forum on Tuesday, according to Russian newspaper Vedomosti."
"Other top officials and managers of major Chinese companies also declined to meet with him and his colleagues, many of whom are sanctioned in the West due to Russia’s war in Ukraine, Vedomosti reported."

You're going off the deep end. Here's what actually happened: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-china-seal-economic-pacts-western-disapproval-rcna85948

Russia’s prime minister signed a set of agreements with China on Wednesday during a trip to Beijing, describing bilateral ties at an unprecedented high, despite disapproval from the West of their relationship as the war in Ukraine dragged on.

Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin — the highest-ranking Russian official to visit Beijing since Moscow sent thousands of its troops to Ukraine in Feb. 2022 — held talks with Chinese Premier Li Qiang and met with President Xi Jinping.

“Today, relations between Russia and China are at an unprecedented high level,” Mishustin told Li in their meeting.

“They are characterized by mutual respect of each other’s interests, the desire to jointly respond to challenges, which is associated with increased turbulence in the international arena and the pressure of illegitimate sanctions from the collective West,” he said.

“As our Chinese friends say, unity makes it possible to move mountains.”

The memorandums of understanding signed included an agreement to deepen investment cooperation in trade services, a pact on export of agricultural products to China, and another on sports cooperation.

Russia’s energy shipments to China are projected to rise 40% this year, and the two countries are discussing technological equipment supplies to Russia, Interfax news agency reported.
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“China is willing to work with Russia to implement the joint cooperation between the two countries, and promoting pragmatic cooperation in various fields can take it to a new level,” Li told Mishustin.

Yeah. I don't think you get Chinese culture. There is also a Chinese saying along the lines of "I have no eyes".

When you're not permitted to meet directly with Companies in China, it means that deals won't be made at that level. This is a typical method of Chinese control of lesser organizations. It means that someone more powerful is pulling all the strings and is setting the prices and you won't get anywhere unless you go through only them.

Let me guess, Russia is selling China oil, grain and just about anything Russia used to export at a deep discount in exchange for Chinese technology at a premium, right?

Just wait and see what happens once Putin passes. Russia will likely be a satellite country of China not too far down the road, because they won't be in a position to do much else.

But you said Li refused to meet with him and he didn’t, so where else are you wrong?

Not sure where you got that? Never said Li refused to meet him. It was the Chinese major companies that closed their doors when the Russians tried to bypass Li's office. In other words, there was only one door open for the Russians.

You did say that. Here is the quote: “Chairman of the State Council Li Qiang, who invited him on the visit, reportedly refused to meet with him. “

But he didn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I am five.

Donbas is Russian speaking area.

Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president.

Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years.

Why do we need to figure for Donbas region?

In 1991 during the dissolution of the Soviet Union, both Donbas and Crimea voted to not be part of Russia and to be part of Ukraine instead. The 2014 "separatist" movement of Donbas was widely instigated by Russian FSB, mercenaries and other forms of "little green men" who came in from Russia and took over local governments / installed puppet leaders. This was a Russian power grab and attempt to destabilize Ukraine in the hopes of seizing it as an act of revenge after Ukraine started trying to join the EU. Joining the EU was widely and popularly supported by a majority of Ukrainian people along with the Verkhovna Rada but was betrayed and derailed by Yanukovich, who was aligned to Putin. That's what led to the Crimean invasion and the so-called Donbas separatism.

You conveniently skipped right past the 2014 coup. Being ruled by a bunch of insurrectionists changed a lot of people's minds about who they wanted to be a part of.

No, I didn't skip over it.

What "changed peoples minds" was the fake separatist movement, which I referred to above, "The 2014 "separatist" movement of Donbas was widely instigated by Russian FSB, mercenaries and other forms of "little green men" who came in from Russia and took over local governments / installed puppet leaders." - it was and is every bit as phony as the "referenda" of Zaporizhzhia, Kherson and other oblasts to join Russia.

You don’t know that it was fake. I think it’s pretty much acknowledged that Kyiv didn’t handle that region right, and forced Ukrainizatuin was a mistake. I have friends in that area and they had no love whatsoever for the government, before or after 2014. It was just a miserable place to be.

Of course it was fake. It absolutely was. Why else were all those FSB agents and Russian mercenaries there? And guess what, it's gotten even more miserable since the Russians came in.

[Anonymous]

We are invoked in a weird conflict without a vital American interest that we don’t understand and that most Americans don’t care about, with potentially massive geopolitical consequences…. Even Kissinger says the war must be ended.

But the media keeps playing the pro war message, and lots of people are making big bucks in this conflict, so the band plays on.

[Anonymous]

Speak for yourself. We understand it fine.
It’s in our interest to support Ukraine and stick it to Russia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. We understand it fine.
It’s in our interest to support Ukraine and stick it to Russia.

K street, defense industry or Ukrainian American.

Which are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. We understand it fine.
It’s in our interest to support Ukraine and stick it to Russia.

Sticking it to Russia makes zero sense. The Soviet Union is long gone and Russia can't project power much beyond its border. They are not ideological competitors. They are largely irrelevant.

Focusing on Russia is what happens when our foreign policy is driven by baby boomers who still think its 1964.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. We understand it fine.
It’s in our interest to support Ukraine and stick it to Russia.

Sticking it to Russia makes zero sense. The Soviet Union is long gone and Russia can't project power much beyond its border. They are not ideological competitors. They are largely irrelevant.

Focusing on Russia is what happens when our foreign policy is driven by baby boomers who still think its 1964.

This- instead of preparing for China, we are just wasting more money, driving Russia closer to China.

Shit show from the same experts who brought you gulf war 2 and the Arab spring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Russia hits Financial Action Task Force black list next month they are done as a nation. That is where n Korea, Iran and Myanmar live.
Russia gets out in a box with the worst of the worst; and no nation comes out of that box.

I am sad about it not because I support Putin, but because my roots are from this country and it kind of hurts…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m truly fascinated by the phenomenon here that when someone posts something less than full blown American engagement with Ukraine against Russian, that person is branded by someone else as a propagandist or Russian bot.

It’s worth a behavioral study.

I have a theory that it’s some Ukrainian who just became a US citizen who is doing most of it.
However you can see the same phenomenon with many other things: covid, diversity in schools, etc.

I am Ukrainian and US citizen and I do not support this massive money laundering that US got involved to.

What is your position on the US involvement in this war if you don’t mind?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. We understand it fine.
It’s in our interest to support Ukraine and stick it to Russia.

K street, defense industry or Ukrainian American.

Which are you?

DP. I'm none of the above, but I fully support action against a terrorist (but incompetent) nation/military that specializes in lobbing missiles at civilians while stealing/raping kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. We understand it fine.
It’s in our interest to support Ukraine and stick it to Russia.

Sticking it to Russia makes zero sense. The Soviet Union is long gone and Russia can't project power much beyond its border. They are not ideological competitors. They are largely irrelevant.

Focusing on Russia is what happens when our foreign policy is driven by baby boomers who still think its 1964.

1964 is modern compared to Russias hitler wannabe dictator Putin who LITERALLY is using maps from 1700s as his target goal for Russia.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/24/putins-antique-map-stunt-stirs-meme-storm-a81260

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/05/23/erin-burnett-monologue-map-putin-ukraine-17-century-ebof-vpx.cnn