Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
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Anonymous
You're going off the deep end. Here's what actually happened: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-china-seal-economic-pacts-western-disapproval-rcna85948 Russia’s prime minister signed a set of agreements with China on Wednesday during a trip to Beijing, describing bilateral ties at an unprecedented high, despite disapproval from the West of their relationship as the war in Ukraine dragged on. Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin — the highest-ranking Russian official to visit Beijing since Moscow sent thousands of its troops to Ukraine in Feb. 2022 — held talks with Chinese Premier Li Qiang and met with President Xi Jinping. “Today, relations between Russia and China are at an unprecedented high level,” Mishustin told Li in their meeting. “They are characterized by mutual respect of each other’s interests, the desire to jointly respond to challenges, which is associated with increased turbulence in the international arena and the pressure of illegitimate sanctions from the collective West,” he said. “As our Chinese friends say, unity makes it possible to move mountains.” The memorandums of understanding signed included an agreement to deepen investment cooperation in trade services, a pact on export of agricultural products to China, and another on sports cooperation. Russia’s energy shipments to China are projected to rise 40% this year, and the two countries are discussing technological equipment supplies to Russia, Interfax news agency reported. .. “China is willing to work with Russia to implement the joint cooperation between the two countries, and promoting pragmatic cooperation in various fields can take it to a new level,” Li told Mishustin. |
Anonymous
Thank you Hunter for your input, we understand you have a high child support to pay. |
Anonymous
Yeah. I don't think you get Chinese culture. There is also a Chinese saying along the lines of "I have no eyes". When you're not permitted to meet directly with Companies in China, it means that deals won't be made at that level. This is a typical method of Chinese control of lesser organizations. It means that someone more powerful is pulling all the strings and is setting the prices and you won't get anywhere unless you go through only them. Let me guess, Russia is selling China oil, grain and just about anything Russia used to export at a deep discount in exchange for Chinese technology at a premium, right? Just wait and see what happens once Putin passes. Russia will likely be a satellite country of China not too far down the road, because they won't be in a position to do much else. |
Anonymous
Jeffrey Sachs doesn't believe Srebrenica happened |
Anonymous
So China figured Russia is the cheapest gas station. Sounds like my "unprecedented high level" relations with the Shell around the corner. |
Anonymous
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Explain this to me like I am five.
Donbas is Russian speaking area. Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian language after he became president. Ukraine is traditionally under russian control. Ukraine has not no sustained period of independence for hundreds of years. Why do we need to figure for Donbas region? |
Anonymous
On 2020, Donbas would have picked to be part of Russia. Now, they have changed their mind and want to be Ukraine. |
Anonymous
Well if it’s such a fickle matter, why should we care? |
Anonymous
Does anyone really care if Donbas wanted to be part of Mars? Russia attacked a smaller (weaker) nation because it could. The politics or backstory are not interesting at all to the west (or me); watching Russians get their military blown to pieces is just priceless. I’ll get bored of this in like 2 or 3 years…maybe…but first 15 months have been rewarding. |
Anonymous
Because Russia is basically pre-WWII Nazi Germany, except way more dangerous. The question is, 'would you have contained Hitler in 1938?' In 20/20 hindsight, the answer is 'yes'. It would have saved millions of lives. Here you go. Phosphorous bombs on civilian buildings. No, it's not a video game. It's real. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993 The Russian Army is out of control - raping women, kidnapping children, murdering civilians and executing POWs. The Europeans are pretty freaked out. The Russian Government is an organized crime family in charge of nuclear weapons. Show any weakness or fear, and yes, they will not stop. The Russian Government prides itself on ruthlessness and, for the lack of a better word, evil. |
Anonymous
It is far worse than that. Russia actively interferes with U.S. politics; they have done so throughout the Cold War (even going back to the 1920s). Now they use the internet and they are extreme effective. They back radicals on the left, and now on the right too. Why? - to weaken the only other super-power: the USA. Yes - they still believe they are fighting the Cold War against “the West” and primarily the USA. And they believe they can “win.” It is irrelevant if you believe the war is over. As long as Putin believes it, and he seeks to reestablish the USSR, then: - the Cold War is still on. The EU mistakenly believed Russia under Putin could be their “trading partner.” They now see they are still at war (the Cold War) with Russia. And the Slavic states won’t let NATO or the EU fall into the trap of a “peace deal” with Putin. Peace with Putin is no more realistic than peace with Hitler would have been. Putin must die (or go on trial) and his regime must absolutely fall. There is no other way forward. |
Anonymous
For the average American, it's a difficult thing to understand. Their relationship is complicated. When you say "under Russian control" there really is little frame of reference to compare Ukraine against in terms of analogies within US History. It technically goes back to the history of the Vikings and land of Rus, during the time Moscow was under the rule of the Mongols, so technically Ukrainians are the original Kievan Rus. But that's probably going too far back. The current modern conflict between Russia and Ukraine goes back to the Stalin era. Stalin tried to erase the culture of the various ethnic groups that made up the USSR, making it compulsory to learn Russian. In some places the ethnic purges were more successful than in others, but the memories of the millions killed in the late 30's through WWII were passed down by families to their children and grandchildren. (Think Dr. Zhivago..) WWII and until the breakup of the USSR, Ukrainians largely adapted and were, in fact, one of the most trusted ethnic groups in Russia. So trusted, that Ukrainians were the trusted with nuclear weaponry. https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/ukraine-and-soviet-nuclear-history Ukraine, as a Soviet Republic, also built much of the Soviet navy, a good deal of tanks, strategic rocket components, aircraft, etc. for the Soviet Union's war machine. However, for everything Ukraine did for the USSR, this does not mean that the Ukrainians were treated as complete equals. "A few days after the deadly explosion on the 4th unit in Chernobyl nuclear power plant, people rallied to celebrate the International Workers' Day in Kiev, Ukraine, on May 1, 1986. Nobody cancelled the May Day parade in Kiev when thousands of people walked in columns along the streets, with songs, flowers and Soviet leaders portraits, covered with invisible clouds of fatal radiation." https://time.com/4313139/post-chernobyl-parade/ 
It is also true that Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian. In fact he even once partied with one of the chief Russian propagandists (the Russian equivalent to Tucker on Fox News). To understand why Zelensky speaks Russian is more difficult to explain without a huge essay about the history of that region, but the short answer is just because someone speaks French or Spanish doesn't mean they are French or Spanish. (You probably haven't watched is his comedy series when he was an actor. Especially the series as a school teacher elected to be President of Ukraine.. and you need to understand the first invasion of Ukraine in 2014.. and the economic factors and industry between Eastern Ukraine and Russia..) But I think the bottom line is that Russia invaded a sovereign foreign country without provocation. The majority of Ukrainians wanted to be part of Europe, not the former USSR. The Russians living in Donbas and Crimea were free to travel to Russia whenever they wanted. But I think that was the real problem. The Russian Government didn't want Western ideas spreading in Russia. It's as simple as that. |
Anonymous
I have a theory that it’s some Ukrainian who just became a US citizen who is doing most of it. However you can see the same phenomenon with many other things: covid, diversity in schools, etc. |
Anonymous
All leaders of all post soviet republic countries are the children of the communist party - corrupt and undemocratic. Putin is just the most powerful and possibly the craziest one (except maybe the Turkmenistan guy who is a full blown dictator and has been for years but he is smart enough to not invade countries the US has strategic interests in). |
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If Russia hits Financial Action Task Force black list next month they are done as a nation. That is where n Korea, Iran and Myanmar live.
Russia gets out in a box with the worst of the worst; and no nation comes out of that box. |