Gaza War, Part 3

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Ex-IDF ops chief: Rafah invasion PM readying to approve would be worst decision made since war’s outbreak
Israel Ziv, a retired general and former IDF operations chief, speaks out against a potential Israeli invasion of Rafah during Channel 12’s Friday night news panel.

Ziv asserts that the remaining Hamas battalions in the southernmost city of Gaza do not pose an existential threat to Israel, whereas the hostage deal Israel risks forgoing by entering Rafah would amount to an existential threat to the lives of the Israeli hostages.

Ziv argues that even in the best case scenario where Israel enters Rafah, manages to find and kill Hamas leader Sinwar and recover the hostages, there will be no “total victory,” as promised by Netanyahu.

On the other hand, such an invasion will be very bloody, further isolate Jerusalem diplomatically and leave Israel without anyone to turn over Gaza to once the operation is over, Ziv says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ex-idf-ops-chief-israel-ziv-rafah-invasion-pm-readying-to-approve-would-be-worst-decision-made-since-wars-outbreak/

Get ready. It’s coming. IDF civilians casualty estimates 40,000-80,000..yipes! That is way over Biden’s 30,000 more number.

If Hamas simply released the remaining hostages and returned the bodies of those they've already murdered, the war would be over today. But they won't. Hamas is only interested in violence and death. It's too bad that this is what most Palestinians support. It makes peace impossible.

I agree with this 1000%. Why would Israel agree to a ceasefire without that?

Israel (Bibi) has explicitly said that it would not be over if that happened. Why would Hamas agree to a ceasefire without a guarantee that this will end?

That is the main hang up with the negotiations right now. Both sides have demanded the type of iron clad end game guarantees that don't tend to happen during negotiations like this. It is no wonder that almost all of the secondary parties to this negotiation are wanting to wipe their hands of both of them.

The negotiations will fail because both sides got blindsided whenever they tried to be soft or nice to the other. There’s absolutely zero trust right now on either side. Netanyahu feels he was nice to Hamas by helping them over the PA government in Ramallah and he got backstabbed. Hamas feels backstabbed by Israel because when they softened in 2017 and said they acknowledged 2 state solution, Netanyahu expanded settlements by 60% and sided with some extremist anti Arab parties to create the most right wing government in Israel’s history .

Both sides don’t see the value in being the “bigger person”.

I can’t say that I blame either of them .

I think the US puts too much on negotiation. There is not going to be a negotiation here . Let them keep on. Eventually, the war will leave Gaza and enter Israel from the West Bank. That seems to be what Israel wants so be it

It won't expand from the West Bank. It was never militarized like Gaza was. There is no weapons flow from Jordan into the West Bank as there was from Egypt into Gaza. Palestinian militants in the West Bank do not have the means to invade Israel and engage in a sustained war with the IDF. Hamas, due to their support from Iran, were able to launch a war with Israel. Which is why Gaza has been flattened and the West Bank remains standing.

I don't think this war expands at all. Hezbollah in Lebanon is standing fast. That little exchange between Iran and Israel a couple of weeks ago was nothing more than a momentary distraction. The Sunni Arabs in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia despise the Palestinians for all sorts of historical reasons. And Palestinians in Gaza choosing to align themselves with the Shi'a theocracy in Iran has not endeared them with the Arab world. In short, due to their bad decision making, Palestinians in Gaza have no allies, which means this war won't grow.

I don't know what the endgame is. Besides complete devastation for Palestinians in Gaza. It will eventually become some kind of Arab League/Israel bastard child dependent territory. No one will ever trust Palestinians in Gaza for generations after this, so there is no chance for autonomous rule, much less independence, for the foreseeable future. But hopefully once Netanyahu is gone there will be a better outcome for the West Bank that will include the removal of the settlers and a sustainable political solution.

If that’s the case, why didn’t Israel listen to Egypts warning that Hamas was very active with transactions and transfers in the MJ tbs prior?

Tens of thousands of people would still be alive from Israel and Gaza.

They don’t need weapons from Jordan to wage war. They can use anything as a weapon -even a car . They have settlers right there . They can start a war whenever they want.

Israel is so short sighted. They think technology is needed for war. It’s not.

All that’s needed is hate

Yes, but hate is no match for a F-35.

Palestinians have been using terrorism for generations - from Black September to airplane hijackings to innumerable suicide bombings. And it's gotten them exactly nowhere. They could have had a state numerous times, but that would require vision, statesmanship, compromise, and a vision for the future. And Palestinians have exhibited none of those things. Instead, they chose Islamic fundamentalism, terrorism, and kleptocracy.

Palestinians in Gaza thought their invasion of Israel and the atrocities they committed on 10/7 was a brilliant idea. The rest of the world, of course, looks upon Palestinian decision-making and thinks idiots. There's no helping such self destructive stupidity.

Was the Netanyahu government profoundly incompetent? Absolutely. 10/7 was the worst security failure in the history of Israel. But ultimately Israelis will vote in a new government. There will be a thorough investigation of the incompetence of the Netanyahu government. And life will move on.

Meanwhile, Gaza lies in ruins. And any hope for Palestinian independence is gone for generations. I don't know about you, but I'm thinking Palestinians might want to try something different than Hamas and endless terror. It doesn't seem to be working.

Disagree completely with that statement. The Israeli response has done more than just level Gaza. It has virtually guaranteed Palestinian independence sooner rather than later.

DP.

Where and how?

Israel is about to present the world with a fait accompli, and there’s exactly a zero percent chance that the international community will do anything meaningful to reverse it.

Add in the fact that Palestinians have no credible leadership, no consensus on the borders and contours of independence, and the chances for a Palestinian state in the near future are now nil.

Which is tragic, for everyone involved.

Eff Likud and eff Hamas.

Prior to Israel's response the chances of a Palestinian state in the near term were already nil. Bibi's (and Sharon's) strategy had somewhat worked. Palestine was out of sight and out of mind to most of the world. Even countries like Sudan and the Gulf States had given up. The pre-2023 status quo had ossified. People weren't paying attention to the policies of Smotrich and Ben Gvir that had gained popularity in Israel but now they are.

However, Israel's over the top response shocked the world. Countries like Colombia and Japan, core allies of the US, have changed policies. EU countries like Ireland and Spain have stepped out on their own while the social taboo against criticisizing Israel in the US has been broken. That's not even mentioning the Russia aligned countries like South Africa and Iran.

That's the background. In the foreground, Gaza has been completely demolished and while the world can't/won't stop that they can/will refuse to pay to rebuild it. Gaza will not be self-governed again in the near term but unless Israel is going to take complete responsibilty, both financially and politically, it will need help and that help isn't coming without conditions.

But Gaza isn't the prize or even the central issue. It's the West Bank that matters. The US has shockingly started imposing sanctions on the worst offenders. That was a heretofore unimaginble thought. Sanctions have been imposed on core allies of Israeli cabinet members and potentially indiidual IDF battalions.

The only thing stopping immediate global recognition of Palestine right now has been the US Security Council veto and the political cost of that veto is no longer zero. That's the dirty little secret, there isn't really a dispute about borders, the lines are known and there is now a cost for Israel's attempt to erase those lines.

Of course the Palestinians could screw up again and overrate their strategic position, but as of today the possibility of Palestinian statehood is the closest it's been to happening since Oslo. Israel shot itself in the foot over and over again. It may be firmly in power militarily but politically and morally its power is crumbling.

As Ben Gvir so poetically has shown us. Running a red light without a seat belt is dangerous and self-harming.

Pin this one, Jeff. Most cogent, thoughtful post in nearly 3,000 pages.

+1 million. Terrific analysis.

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/05/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas/israels-prime-minister-has-had-a-tense-relationship-with-the-network?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

Netanyahu closes Al Jazerra offices and wil confiscate all broadcasting equipment. The last paragraph includes “In October, Wael al-Dahdouh, the Gaza bureau chief of Al Jazeera’s Arabic-language service, was told live on air that his wife, son, daughter and infant grandson had been killed in central Gaza, where they had been sheltering. In January, his eldest son was killed in an Israeli airstrike, according to the authorities in Gaza.”

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Ex-IDF ops chief: Rafah invasion PM readying to approve would be worst decision made since war’s outbreak
Israel Ziv, a retired general and former IDF operations chief, speaks out against a potential Israeli invasion of Rafah during Channel 12’s Friday night news panel.

Ziv asserts that the remaining Hamas battalions in the southernmost city of Gaza do not pose an existential threat to Israel, whereas the hostage deal Israel risks forgoing by entering Rafah would amount to an existential threat to the lives of the Israeli hostages.

Ziv argues that even in the best case scenario where Israel enters Rafah, manages to find and kill Hamas leader Sinwar and recover the hostages, there will be no “total victory,” as promised by Netanyahu.

On the other hand, such an invasion will be very bloody, further isolate Jerusalem diplomatically and leave Israel without anyone to turn over Gaza to once the operation is over, Ziv says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ex-idf-ops-chief-israel-ziv-rafah-invasion-pm-readying-to-approve-would-be-worst-decision-made-since-wars-outbreak/

Get ready. It’s coming. IDF civilians casualty estimates 40,000-80,000..yipes! That is way over Biden’s 30,000 more number.

If Hamas simply released the remaining hostages and returned the bodies of those they've already murdered, the war would be over today. But they won't. Hamas is only interested in violence and death. It's too bad that this is what most Palestinians support. It makes peace impossible.

I agree with this 1000%. Why would Israel agree to a ceasefire without that?

Israel (Bibi) has explicitly said that it would not be over if that happened. Why would Hamas agree to a ceasefire without a guarantee that this will end?

That is the main hang up with the negotiations right now. Both sides have demanded the type of iron clad end game guarantees that don't tend to happen during negotiations like this. It is no wonder that almost all of the secondary parties to this negotiation are wanting to wipe their hands of both of them.

The negotiations will fail because both sides got blindsided whenever they tried to be soft or nice to the other. There’s absolutely zero trust right now on either side. Netanyahu feels he was nice to Hamas by helping them over the PA government in Ramallah and he got backstabbed. [
Hamas feels backstabbed by Israel because when they softened in 2017 and said they acknowledged 2 state solution, Netanyahu expanded settlements by 60% and sided with some extremist anti Arab parties to create the most right wing government in Israel’s history .

Both sides don’t see the value in being the “bigger person”.

I can’t say that I blame either of them .

I think the US puts too much on negotiation. There is not going to be a negotiation here . Let them keep on. Eventually, the war will leave Gaza and enter Israel from the West Bank. That seems to be what Israel wants so be it

This is ridiculous. The only thing Netanyahu wants from Hamas is Hamas to attack Fatah, and the only thing Netanyahu wants from Fatah is for Fatah to attack Hamas.

The only thing Hamas wants is war, like Isis. The only people Fatah hates more than Israel are Palestinians, which is why Hamas isn't war with Fatah. Hamas kills Palestinians to keep itself in power.

This is demonstrably false. Hamas calls 10/7 Al Aqsa Raid. They did this because Isrsel was killing Palestinians in the West Bank not because Israel was killing Palestinians in Gaza.

Israel always picks on the weakest target which was Palestinians in the defenseless and armyless West Bank.

Hamas doesn’t hate Fatah or Palestinians in the West Bank or Christians. They’re the same people.

That was what Netanyahu thought would happen. A civil war among Palestinians but it never happened . Israel is the one that has the divisions.

They did it because they were mad that other Arab countries were normalizing relations with Israel. They are not some Avengers-style band of super heroes there to defend the rights of the oppressed. For gd's sake.

At least don't ask why we call you Hamas-lovers.

They didn’t do 10/6 because of Saudi Arabia “normalisation” which was recent news . A terror operation of that scale had to be planned for 2 years. Israel admitted they first heard of a planned raid in early 2022. They just thought a raid would come from the West Bank because it’s closer to Israel. They never imagined the Erez Crossing would be penetrated by bulldozers and paragliders . What happened is Israel after hearing about the plans doubled down on arrests and crackdowns in the West Bank , including an infamous raid on the Al Mosque mosque during Ramadan 2023 where they used tear gas and arrested men during prayers assuming Hamas would be in the bunch. This is why Hamas calls 10/7 vengeance for the Al Aqsa raid. It has nothing to do with the Saudi Arabia deal. Sinwar was planning 10/7 and collecting guys and intel on Israeli military habits for over a year . The day chosen was also planned intentionally because they knew it was a Jewish holiday and the army would be in the West Bank primarily to protect Jewish settlers during their pilgrimage to the Tomb of Joseph located in the Palestinian neighborhoods. Tensions in the West Bank apparently always happen on this holiday in particular especially in recent years so Hamas knew the IDF would be vulnerable and low in supply in Gaza on that particular morning .

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Bibi’s settlements have really compromised IDF competence. Even now, IDF have to be forced to protect these settlements that are not even in Israel so the IDF’s numbers and capabilities are stretched.

I’m not sure why these Israelis who don’t want to serve in the army get protection from
The army. They decided to live as settlers in the West Bank not Israel so they should not be entitled to army protection.

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Bibi’s settlements have really compromised IDF competence. Even now, IDF have to be forced to protect these settlements that are not even in Israel so the IDF’s numbers and capabilities are stretched.

I’m not sure why these Israelis who don’t want to serve in the army get protection from
The army. They decided to live as settlers in the West Bank not Israel so they should not be entitled to army protection.

Because Israel is officially colonizing the West Bank

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/05/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas/israels-prime-minister-has-had-a-tense-relationship-with-the-network?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

Netanyahu closes Al Jazerra offices and wil confiscate all broadcasting equipment. The last paragraph includes “In October, Wael al-Dahdouh, the Gaza bureau chief of Al Jazeera’s Arabic-language service, was told live on air that his wife, son, daughter and infant grandson had been killed in central Gaza, where they had been sheltering. In January, his eldest son was killed in an Israeli airstrike, according to the authorities in Gaza.”

You would think the Israelis in favor of democratic norms would be up in arms about this and the nearly 100 journalists Israel has killed in 6 months. Understandably, they're focused on hostage return and ceasefire rn, but hope this isn't forgotten at election time.

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Ex-IDF ops chief: Rafah invasion PM readying to approve would be worst decision made since war’s outbreak
Israel Ziv, a retired general and former IDF operations chief, speaks out against a potential Israeli invasion of Rafah during Channel 12’s Friday night news panel.

Ziv asserts that the remaining Hamas battalions in the southernmost city of Gaza do not pose an existential threat to Israel, whereas the hostage deal Israel risks forgoing by entering Rafah would amount to an existential threat to the lives of the Israeli hostages.

Ziv argues that even in the best case scenario where Israel enters Rafah, manages to find and kill Hamas leader Sinwar and recover the hostages, there will be no “total victory,” as promised by Netanyahu.

On the other hand, such an invasion will be very bloody, further isolate Jerusalem diplomatically and leave Israel without anyone to turn over Gaza to once the operation is over, Ziv says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ex-idf-ops-chief-israel-ziv-rafah-invasion-pm-readying-to-approve-would-be-worst-decision-made-since-wars-outbreak/

Get ready. It’s coming. IDF civilians casualty estimates 40,000-80,000..yipes! That is way over Biden’s 30,000 more number.

If Hamas simply released the remaining hostages and returned the bodies of those they've already murdered, the war would be over today. But they won't. Hamas is only interested in violence and death. It's too bad that this is what most Palestinians support. It makes peace impossible.

I agree with this 1000%. Why would Israel agree to a ceasefire without that?

Israel (Bibi) has explicitly said that it would not be over if that happened. Why would Hamas agree to a ceasefire without a guarantee that this will end?

That is the main hang up with the negotiations right now. Both sides have demanded the type of iron clad end game guarantees that don't tend to happen during negotiations like this. It is no wonder that almost all of the secondary parties to this negotiation are wanting to wipe their hands of both of them.

The negotiations will fail because both sides got blindsided whenever they tried to be soft or nice to the other. There’s absolutely zero trust right now on either side. Netanyahu feels he was nice to Hamas by helping them over the PA government in Ramallah and he got backstabbed. [
Hamas feels backstabbed by Israel because when they softened in 2017 and said they acknowledged 2 state solution, Netanyahu expanded settlements by 60% and sided with some extremist anti Arab parties to create the most right wing government in Israel’s history .

Both sides don’t see the value in being the “bigger person”.

I can’t say that I blame either of them .

I think the US puts too much on negotiation. There is not going to be a negotiation here . Let them keep on. Eventually, the war will leave Gaza and enter Israel from the West Bank. That seems to be what Israel wants so be it

This is ridiculous. The only thing Netanyahu wants from Hamas is Hamas to attack Fatah, and the only thing Netanyahu wants from Fatah is for Fatah to attack Hamas.

The only thing Hamas wants is war, like Isis. The only people Fatah hates more than Israel are Palestinians, which is why Hamas isn't war with Fatah. Hamas kills Palestinians to keep itself in power.

This is demonstrably false. Hamas calls 10/7 Al Aqsa Raid. They did this because Isrsel was killing Palestinians in the West Bank not because Israel was killing Palestinians in Gaza.

Israel always picks on the weakest target which was Palestinians in the defenseless and armyless West Bank.

Hamas doesn’t hate Fatah or Palestinians in the West Bank or Christians. They’re the same people.

That was what Netanyahu thought would happen. A civil war among Palestinians but it never happened . Israel is the one that has the divisions.

They did it because they were mad that other Arab countries were normalizing relations with Israel. They are not some Avengers-style band of super heroes there to defend the rights of the oppressed. For gd's sake.

At least don't ask why we call you Hamas-lovers.

They didn’t do 10/6 because of Saudi Arabia “normalisation” which was recent news . A terror operation of that scale had to be planned for 2 years. Israel admitted they first heard of a planned raid in early 2022. They just thought a raid would come from the West Bank because it’s closer to Israel. They never imagined the Erez Crossing would be penetrated by bulldozers and paragliders . What happened is Israel after hearing about the plans doubled down on arrests and crackdowns in the West Bank , including an infamous raid on the Al Mosque mosque during Ramadan 2023 where they used tear gas and arrested men during prayers assuming Hamas would be in the bunch. This is why Hamas calls 10/7 vengeance for the Al Aqsa raid. It has nothing to do with the Saudi Arabia deal. Sinwar was planning 10/7 and collecting guys and intel on Israeli military habits for over a year . The day chosen was also planned intentionally because they knew it was a Jewish holiday and the army would be in the West Bank primarily to protect Jewish settlers during their pilgrimage to the Tomb of Joseph located in the Palestinian neighborhoods. Tensions in the West Bank apparently always happen on this holiday in particular especially in recent years so Hamas knew the IDF would be vulnerable and low in supply in Gaza on that particular morning .

No. Biden, all the US politicians, Middle East analysts and media have said if Saudi establish diplomatic relations with Israel the Palestinians issue goes away and everyone will embrace Israel. This is the only thing hold Israel back on the world stage. Once Saudi and Israel embrace each other with their shared values the US can back away from the region.

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Once again, we can blame this on trump and kushner

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Netanyahu proclaimed today that gentiles can't be trusted, so it's small wonder so many Americans are now concluding Zionists can't be respected.

You reap what you sow, and Israel has sowed chaos and disdain.

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Ex-IDF ops chief: Rafah invasion PM readying to approve would be worst decision made since war’s outbreak
Israel Ziv, a retired general and former IDF operations chief, speaks out against a potential Israeli invasion of Rafah during Channel 12’s Friday night news panel.

Ziv asserts that the remaining Hamas battalions in the southernmost city of Gaza do not pose an existential threat to Israel, whereas the hostage deal Israel risks forgoing by entering Rafah would amount to an existential threat to the lives of the Israeli hostages.

Ziv argues that even in the best case scenario where Israel enters Rafah, manages to find and kill Hamas leader Sinwar and recover the hostages, there will be no “total victory,” as promised by Netanyahu.

On the other hand, such an invasion will be very bloody, further isolate Jerusalem diplomatically and leave Israel without anyone to turn over Gaza to once the operation is over, Ziv says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ex-idf-ops-chief-israel-ziv-rafah-invasion-pm-readying-to-approve-would-be-worst-decision-made-since-wars-outbreak/

Get ready. It’s coming. IDF civilians casualty estimates 40,000-80,000..yipes! That is way over Biden’s 30,000 more number.

If Hamas simply released the remaining hostages and returned the bodies of those they've already murdered, the war would be over today. But they won't. Hamas is only interested in violence and death. It's too bad that this is what most Palestinians support. It makes peace impossible.

I agree with this 1000%. Why would Israel agree to a ceasefire without that?

Israel (Bibi) has explicitly said that it would not be over if that happened. Why would Hamas agree to a ceasefire without a guarantee that this will end?

That is the main hang up with the negotiations right now. Both sides have demanded the type of iron clad end game guarantees that don't tend to happen during negotiations like this. It is no wonder that almost all of the secondary parties to this negotiation are wanting to wipe their hands of both of them.

The negotiations will fail because both sides got blindsided whenever they tried to be soft or nice to the other. There’s absolutely zero trust right now on either side. Netanyahu feels he was nice to Hamas by helping them over the PA government in Ramallah and he got backstabbed. [
Hamas feels backstabbed by Israel because when they softened in 2017 and said they acknowledged 2 state solution, Netanyahu expanded settlements by 60% and sided with some extremist anti Arab parties to create the most right wing government in Israel’s history .

Both sides don’t see the value in being the “bigger person”.

I can’t say that I blame either of them .

I think the US puts too much on negotiation. There is not going to be a negotiation here . Let them keep on. Eventually, the war will leave Gaza and enter Israel from the West Bank. That seems to be what Israel wants so be it

This is ridiculous. The only thing Netanyahu wants from Hamas is Hamas to attack Fatah, and the only thing Netanyahu wants from Fatah is for Fatah to attack Hamas.

The only thing Hamas wants is war, like Isis. The only people Fatah hates more than Israel are Palestinians, which is why Hamas isn't war with Fatah. Hamas kills Palestinians to keep itself in power.

This is demonstrably false. Hamas calls 10/7 Al Aqsa Raid. They did this because Isrsel was killing Palestinians in the West Bank not because Israel was killing Palestinians in Gaza.

Israel always picks on the weakest target which was Palestinians in the defenseless and armyless West Bank.

Hamas doesn’t hate Fatah or Palestinians in the West Bank or Christians. They’re the same people.

That was what Netanyahu thought would happen. A civil war among Palestinians but it never happened . Israel is the one that has the divisions.

They did it because they were mad that other Arab countries were normalizing relations with Israel. They are not some Avengers-style band of super heroes there to defend the rights of the oppressed. For gd's sake.

At least don't ask why we call you Hamas-lovers.

They didn’t do 10/6 because of Saudi Arabia “normalisation” which was recent news . A terror operation of that scale had to be planned for 2 years. Israel admitted they first heard of a planned raid in early 2022. They just thought a raid would come from the West Bank because it’s closer to Israel. They never imagined the Erez Crossing would be penetrated by bulldozers and paragliders . What happened is Israel after hearing about the plans doubled down on arrests and crackdowns in the West Bank , including an infamous raid on the Al Mosque mosque during Ramadan 2023 where they used tear gas and arrested men during prayers assuming Hamas would be in the bunch. This is why Hamas calls 10/7 vengeance for the Al Aqsa raid. It has nothing to do with the Saudi Arabia deal. Sinwar was planning 10/7 and collecting guys and intel on Israeli military habits for over a year . The day chosen was also planned intentionally because they knew it was a Jewish holiday and the army would be in the West Bank primarily to protect Jewish settlers during their pilgrimage to the Tomb of Joseph located in the Palestinian neighborhoods. Tensions in the West Bank apparently always happen on this holiday in particular especially in recent years so Hamas knew the IDF would be vulnerable and low in supply in Gaza on that particular morning .

No. Biden, all the US politicians, Middle East analysts and media have said if Saudi establish diplomatic relations with Israel the Palestinians issue goes away and everyone will embrace Israel. This is the only thing hold Israel back on the world stage. Once Saudi and Israel embrace each other with their shared values the US can back away from the region.

The Biden administration is foolish . Saudi and Israel have been cool and close since Obamas Iran deal. There was no need for formal relations. They’ve always gotten along .

Imams can’t even legally pray for Palestine in Saudi Arabia in public without getting arrested. It was never a pro Palestine country and they butchered to death a journalist (how Israeli!) that was pro Palestine . Hamas in theory has nothing in common with Iran language wise . Israel is closer to Hamas language wise than Iranian Persian . Iran and Hamas are just fake friends because they both have the same enemies (Israel and Saudi) and because Iran wants to embarass the Arab countries by being the “hero” “savior” of Palestine. It’s not real.

Iran was historically the first country along with Turkey to congratulate Israeli independence in 1948. They both didn’t like Arabs and preferred Israel for a long time and were happy about the Arab defeats in 1948 and 1967.

Now, somehow, Israel was able to unite long time foes (Arabs, Iranians, and Turks) together about Palestine. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Iran both want Gazan war to stop and Israeli occupation to end. Hamas , by random luck, was able to win more influence than they ever could’ve imagined. Aligning the West and the East as far as China to some of their goals is extremely unusual luck

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It actually isn’t Hamas luck. It’s more so Netanyahus incompetence. How can someone with everything lose everybody?

Russia, US, Arabs, Turkey, China?

If Israel wants survival and to win back all these damaged relationships , he needs to go quickly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/05/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas/israels-prime-minister-has-had-a-tense-relationship-with-the-network?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

Netanyahu closes Al Jazerra offices and wil confiscate all broadcasting equipment. The last paragraph includes “In October, Wael al-Dahdouh, the Gaza bureau chief of Al Jazeera’s Arabic-language service, was told live on air that his wife, son, daughter and infant grandson had been killed in central Gaza, where they had been sheltering. In January, his eldest son was killed in an Israeli airstrike, according to the authorities in Gaza.”

Amazing. How do the pro-Israel folk feel about this? It’s justified? Or an unforgivable sin in a democratic society?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/05/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas/israels-prime-minister-has-had-a-tense-relationship-with-the-network?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

Netanyahu closes Al Jazerra offices and wil confiscate all broadcasting equipment. The last paragraph includes “In October, Wael al-Dahdouh, the Gaza bureau chief of Al Jazeera’s Arabic-language service, was told live on air that his wife, son, daughter and infant grandson had been killed in central Gaza, where they had been sheltering. In January, his eldest son was killed in an Israeli airstrike, according to the authorities in Gaza.”

Amazing. How do the pro-Israel folk feel about this? It’s justified? Or an unforgivable sin in a democratic society?

To be fair, this is pretty minor comapared to the many other things this Israeli government has done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/05/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas/israels-prime-minister-has-had-a-tense-relationship-with-the-network?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

Netanyahu closes Al Jazerra offices and wil confiscate all broadcasting equipment. The last paragraph includes “In October, Wael al-Dahdouh, the Gaza bureau chief of Al Jazeera’s Arabic-language service, was told live on air that his wife, son, daughter and infant grandson had been killed in central Gaza, where they had been sheltering. In January, his eldest son was killed in an Israeli airstrike, according to the authorities in Gaza.”

Amazing. How do the pro-Israel folk feel about this? It’s justified? Or an unforgivable sin in a democratic society?

Al Jazeera is a propaganda outlet for the Qatari government that publishes one moderate-ish thing in English but content that is a lot more slanted in Arabic. I don't know the details of this decision and in general distrust the right-wingers Netanyahu has surrounded himself with on democracy-preservation issues (though I am a Zionist and insist that anti-Western interests are fueling the current round of antisemitism--which is what you have to offer--as a way to exploit a vulnerability in Western society). But Al Jezeera is hardly balanced and benign, so this is not necessarily the strongest example of anti-democratic behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It actually isn’t Hamas luck. It’s more so Netanyahus incompetence. How can someone with everything lose everybody?

Russia, US, Arabs, Turkey, China?

If Israel wants survival and to win back all these damaged relationships , he needs to go quickly

I completely agree. So many of the issues today are Israeli own goals. Ironically, cutting off communications from Hamas in Gaza has been one of the worst things they've done. Hamas and the Palestinians in general have always been their own worst enemies. Cutting them off has left nothing but Israeli voices and to be frank most of them have not been helpful to the cause.