Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

[Anonymous]

The whole thing makes no sense as the Damascus expansion does not even have a date and yet this study is moving forward with it included.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the FARMS changes for high schools, it keeps pointing to how Crown HS is either not in an ideal location or not needed in terms of FARMS distribution. "Good" schools just get less FARMS, and "Bad" schools are either roughly the same or gets worse.

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For Option 1:

Churchill 9.9->9.8

Clarksburg 34.7->23.1

Crown 35.1

Damascus 27.8->31.5

Gaithersburg 53.7->53.2

Richard Montgomery 31.8->31.8

Northwest 33.7->38.3

Poolesville 16.7->23.2

Quince Orchard 36.1->25.1

Seneca Valley 47.2->52.5

Watkins Mill 54->54

Wootton 11.9->11.6

So the winners would be Quince Orchard for removing the Fields Road ES area and Clarksburg.

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Option 2:

Churchill 9.9->9.8

Clarksburg 34.7->28.0

Crown 38.7

Damascus 27.8->34.2

Gaithersburg 53.7->54.1

Richard Montgomery 31.8->32.6

Northwest 33.7->42.2

Poolesville 16.7->23.8

Quince Orchard 36.1->15.5

Seneca Valley 47.2->51.4

Watkins Mill 54->54

Wootton 11.9->10.2

So in Option 2 Northwest takes a 10 percent hit in FARMS and QO is even stronger with about 15% FARMS

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Option 3:

Churchill 9.9->9.8

Clarksburg 34.7->36.5

Crown 41.6

Damascus 27.8->27.2

Gaithersburg 53.7->47.9

Richard Montgomery 31.8->31.8

Northwest 33.7->45.1

Poolesville 16.7->20

Quince Orchard 36.1->25.1

Seneca Valley 47.2->46.3

Watkins Mill 54->49.8

Wootton 11.9->11.6

In Option 3, Northwest takes an increase again. I guess it looks like the Fields Road ES areas makes up about 10 percent of the FARMS population from QO. Watkins Mill, kind of improves but still has a FARMS rate that hovers around 50 percent

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Option 4

Churchill 9.9->9.8

Clarksburg 34.7->27.6

Crown 45.6

Damascus 27.8->27.4

Gaithersburg 53.7->57.5

Richard Montgomery 31.8->33.9

Northwest 33.7->35.5

Poolesville 16.7->23.5

Quince Orchard 36.1->13.8

Seneca Valley 47.2->52.9

Watkins Mill 54->48.9

Wootton 11.9->9.6

Quince Orchard comes out as the winner again going under 15% FARMS. Gaithersburg HS, which is one of the "problematic" high schools has an increase of FARMS approaching 60%. Like option 3, Watkins Mill drops down below 50% but is still close to there.

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In several posts, posters have mentioned that there is a noticeable different outcome when schools are over a 30% threshold for FARMS. In every option, Crown has at least 35 percent and close to 40 percent FARMS.

And in several cases, the rich get richer and the not so rich get poorer.

So don't really see how the proposed disruptions would help benefit the entire school system as a whole.

If they're causing major major disruptions, then their goal should be no school has a FARMS percentage of over 35 or 40 percent.

If they can't accomplish that, then their goal should be to minimize disruptions while filling the school with the immediate area and maybe areas close by where schools are over capacity.

None of options make any sense. Just make minimal disruption and make crown a choice program then since they can’t achieve anything they want. So what’s the point of causing so much harm and disruption for some neighborhoods.

And if the school doesn't fill up for the choice program? This is stupidity

Then make strong programs. How is it stupidity? Fairfax has a whole school magnet like TJ. Why can’t MCPS build one as well?

I think it is a great idea. It will drive the smartest student to Crown and I would sign my kid up for a whole magnet school. Sadly I don't think it is on MCPS agenda right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Or to Wotton, Wotton is also under capacity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

That will depend on whether that bus needs to pick up Kentlands students along the way. But it feels very doable to me, and me and my cousins work in transportation logistics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

That will depend on whether that bus needs to pick up Kentlands students along the way. But it feels very doable to me, and me and my cousins work in transportation logistics.

Gaithersburg ->Kentlands/Lakelands -> Crown? but really think Kentlands should stay in QO, it is walking distance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

[Anonymous]

This is too long for me to read through, but why isn't Ritchie Park going to Wootton instead of Wayside? This would make all of Wayside drive past Horizon Hill to get to high school. Is this just MCPS being stubborn and not changing it back from the 80's/90's zoning issue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is too long for me to read through, but why isn't Ritchie Park going to Wootton instead of Wayside? This would make all of Wayside drive past Horizon Hill to get to high school. Is this just MCPS being stubborn and not changing it back from the 80's/90's zoning issue?

Wayside is supposedly due to Churchill being overcapacity and they need to move something out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is too long for me to read through, but why isn't Ritchie Park going to Wootton instead of Wayside? This would make all of Wayside drive past Horizon Hill to get to high school. Is this just MCPS being stubborn and not changing it back from the 80's/90's zoning issue?

They aren't going to move RPES out of RM because it has the lowest FARMs rate in the RM cluster.

-RPES resident

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish we could fast forward to September to see those "refined options"

There may be a Wayside to Gaithersburg option to make the Wootton option look better.

- Flo

Wayside to Gaitherburg option should have been there to start with. How will be the bus ride in this case? If it's longer than 25 minutes then it's an issue. As long as it's less than 25 minutes, it will work.

Wayside has Churchill at 2.4 miles, Wotton at 4 miles, crown at 7.2 miles, and Gaithersburg at 9.7 miles...where is this came from? and not to mention Gaithersburg is overcapacity....= =

Whats the driving time for Gaithersburg? Gaithersburg can send more to Crown.

Gaithersburg and Crown are already relatively high FARMS.

The only way Gaithersburg can be brought into Crown is if they add more richer areas to Crown.

Quince Orchard HS, Northwest HS and Crown HS are all really close with each other, which kind of makes it hard to mix up school zones.

For example Great Seneca Creek could potentially be brought to QO due to proximity and FARMS rate.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/d-g/greatsenecacreekes/uploadedfiles/about/02340.pdf

But the issue is that Great Seneca Creek is practically right next to Northwest and doesn't make sense to have them go all the way to QO.

The area a little bit east of Great Seneca Creek for Brown Station is currently zoned for Quince Orchard but some options have it going to Northwest.

While Quince Orchard may be overcrowded now, not having the Fields Road Elementary School area will help it in terms of capacity, and they can keep these areas like around Brown Station and not try to offload it to Northwest and affecting Northwest's FARMs rates.

Then Crown can pull from some more richer areas and then can maybe pull from some areas from Gaitherburg High. It looks like some of the options has some of the nicer areas of Gaithersburg High going elsewhere and is probably what is affecting it's FARMs rates.

When they first announced Crown, I assumed that they'd pull from some areas that just seemed like common sense to me and would result in a fairly balanced school. I'm not going to list it because it does serve my own purposes and it will probably tick off the people in the areas where I'd say it make sense to rezone to Crown.

But if they do any other moves outside of that, you'd have to wonder if they have some other agenda.

And with the issue with Churchill, they probably should first look into moving any special programs that may have out of residents outside of it's zone first. I do know of some families who purposely go into the program just so that their kids can go to Churchill. Then they should probably look at all sides of the boundaries to see where they may be able to readjust it, instead of limiting it to just one or two schools in another direction.

Not sure why they're making things more complicated than they have to.

Crown itself is a very wealthy area, and the housing prices near Crown are very high. I think a reasonable area to pull from would definitely be within a 2-mile radius. Also, aren't they planning to build 2 or 3 more apartment complexes near Rio? I think Crown will be full—just give it some time.

Someone told me(so don't know how accurate it is) that MCPS or whomever didn't forecast the actual Crown community as having many families. They might be expecting more younger adults living there.

Not that MCPS always correctly guesses this kind of stuff all the time.

Yes, that's what MCPS said about the Tower Oaks development when the boundary for Rustin was being drawn. According to data from last year, Rustin is under capacity.