Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to address the question raised as to why the nurse doesn't say "I rented this bike, I was here first," in the video.

The answer at the beginning of the video is very simple: everyone there knew already.

If her account is correct that she got on the bike and unlocked it, and then the guys came and pushed her back into the dock, she had no reason to explain to them that she had rented the bike. There was no misunderstanding -- everyone there had seen her on the bike with the bike unlocked, so she doesn't need to explain it to them.

Now, what she doesn't know in that moment is that this video will wind up on the internet and seen by thousands if not millions of people who actually don't know that, and that many of them will demand to know why she doesn't explain it to them. But she has no idea these people's opinions will ever matter -- she doesn't make her case to them because she doesn't even know they will eventually exist.

Now, later, after the guy has rented the bike (at the :20 second mark of the video) and the other hospital employee came up, why doesn't she ALSO pull out her phone to say she rented the bike? Well my read on it is that she wants the altercation to be over, and when the hospital colleague unsuccessfully suggests they redock the bike and the guys refuse and reiterate it's "his" bike, she gives up. There are so many of them, they will not back down, and she is tired and wants to go home.

Imagine if you worked 12 hours and then dealt with nonsense like this, only to have every facial expression and choice you made in that 90 second video parse and doubted and attacked by a bunch of strangers on the internet. The idea that we don't owe this woman some grace and benefit of the doubt is offensive (I also extend some grace and benefit of the doubt to the guys, some of whom don't even seem to want to take the bike from her, and others who I think don't understand how obnoxioius/offensive their behavior is).

I don’t extend any grace to the young men. If her story is true, they deliberately harassed her and set her up.

Posting of defamatory videos on the internet is an issue that needs to be addressed in the courts. I will donate to the gofundme only when they decide to sue the cameraman and whoever originally posted the video.

I'd like to note that no one knows for certain they are minors. Everyone keeps calling them teenagers. And posting the video is a continuation of them harassing her.

The nurse has been put on leave because of this incident. Incredible. Just saw an interview with her attorney.
They are planning to file defamation lawsuits against the people who have called her "racist" or "Karen" or otherwise defamed her.
She has receipts for renting TWO bikes since the first one was taken from her.
I hope she is successful. This crap has to stop.

But why are the PA and her lawyer not pursuing the original video taker and poster? Why focus on the cackling audience instead of the bad actors on the stage?

This is an internet-wide issue that our society needs to deal with. I guess the ACLU wouldn't be interested, and there's not an ADL or NAACP for white women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to address the question raised as to why the nurse doesn't say "I rented this bike, I was here first," in the video.

The answer at the beginning of the video is very simple: everyone there knew already.

If her account is correct that she got on the bike and unlocked it, and then the guys came and pushed her back into the dock, she had no reason to explain to them that she had rented the bike. There was no misunderstanding -- everyone there had seen her on the bike with the bike unlocked, so she doesn't need to explain it to them.

Now, what she doesn't know in that moment is that this video will wind up on the internet and seen by thousands if not millions of people who actually don't know that, and that many of them will demand to know why she doesn't explain it to them. But she has no idea these people's opinions will ever matter -- she doesn't make her case to them because she doesn't even know they will eventually exist.

Now, later, after the guy has rented the bike (at the :20 second mark of the video) and the other hospital employee came up, why doesn't she ALSO pull out her phone to say she rented the bike? Well my read on it is that she wants the altercation to be over, and when the hospital colleague unsuccessfully suggests they redock the bike and the guys refuse and reiterate it's "his" bike, she gives up. There are so many of them, they will not back down, and she is tired and wants to go home.

Imagine if you worked 12 hours and then dealt with nonsense like this, only to have every facial expression and choice you made in that 90 second video parse and doubted and attacked by a bunch of strangers on the internet. The idea that we don't owe this woman some grace and benefit of the doubt is offensive (I also extend some grace and benefit of the doubt to the guys, some of whom don't even seem to want to take the bike from her, and others who I think don't understand how obnoxioius/offensive their behavior is).

I don’t extend any grace to the young men. If her story is true, they deliberately harassed her and set her up.

Posting of defamatory videos on the internet is an issue that needs to be addressed in the courts. I will donate to the gofundme only when they decide to sue the cameraman and whoever originally posted the video.

I'd like to note that no one knows for certain they are minors. Everyone keeps calling them teenagers. And posting the video is a continuation of them harassing her.

The nurse has been put on leave because of this incident. Incredible. Just saw an interview with her attorney.
They are planning to file defamation lawsuits against the people who have called her "racist" or "Karen" or otherwise defamed her.
She has receipts for renting TWO bikes since the first one was taken from her.
I hope she is successful. This crap has to stop.

But why are the PA and her lawyer not pursuing the original video taker and poster? Why focus on the cackling audience instead of the bad actors on the stage?

This is an internet-wide issue that our society needs to deal with. I guess the ACLU wouldn't be interested, and there's not an ADL or NAACP for white women.

Because it's a no-win situation for her. If she goes after them then she's Karen again. Also, a bunch of guys trying to steal a bike probably don't have a lot of money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to address the question raised as to why the nurse doesn't say "I rented this bike, I was here first," in the video.

The answer at the beginning of the video is very simple: everyone there knew already.

If her account is correct that she got on the bike and unlocked it, and then the guys came and pushed her back into the dock, she had no reason to explain to them that she had rented the bike. There was no misunderstanding -- everyone there had seen her on the bike with the bike unlocked, so she doesn't need to explain it to them.

Now, what she doesn't know in that moment is that this video will wind up on the internet and seen by thousands if not millions of people who actually don't know that, and that many of them will demand to know why she doesn't explain it to them. But she has no idea these people's opinions will ever matter -- she doesn't make her case to them because she doesn't even know they will eventually exist.

Now, later, after the guy has rented the bike (at the :20 second mark of the video) and the other hospital employee came up, why doesn't she ALSO pull out her phone to say she rented the bike? Well my read on it is that she wants the altercation to be over, and when the hospital colleague unsuccessfully suggests they redock the bike and the guys refuse and reiterate it's "his" bike, she gives up. There are so many of them, they will not back down, and she is tired and wants to go home.

Imagine if you worked 12 hours and then dealt with nonsense like this, only to have every facial expression and choice you made in that 90 second video parse and doubted and attacked by a bunch of strangers on the internet. The idea that we don't owe this woman some grace and benefit of the doubt is offensive (I also extend some grace and benefit of the doubt to the guys, some of whom don't even seem to want to take the bike from her, and others who I think don't understand how obnoxioius/offensive their behavior is).

I don’t extend any grace to the young men. If her story is true, they deliberately harassed her and set her up.

Posting of defamatory videos on the internet is an issue that needs to be addressed in the courts. I will donate to the gofundme only when they decide to sue the cameraman and whoever originally posted the video.

I'd like to note that no one knows for certain they are minors. Everyone keeps calling them teenagers. And posting the video is a continuation of them harassing her.

The nurse has been put on leave because of this incident. Incredible. Just saw an interview with her attorney.
They are planning to file defamation lawsuits against the people who have called her "racist" or "Karen" or otherwise defamed her.
She has receipts for renting TWO bikes since the first one was taken from her.
I hope she is successful. This crap has to stop.

But why are the PA and her lawyer not pursuing the original video taker and poster? Why focus on the cackling audience instead of the bad actors on the stage?

This is an internet-wide issue that our society needs to deal with. I guess the ACLU wouldn't be interested, and there's not an ADL or NAACP for white women.

Going after the video taker and poster would be RACIST. We’d be right back to square one.

[Anonymous]

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Sucks to all be lumped together doesn’t it?

+1,000,000

“When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression”

modern day liberalism in a nutshell. bonkers thread. so many people need to step away from the keyboard.

Women have been used to misogyny and oppression for a long time. It's just that this is a new form. Literally, this is a case of people seeing a woman advocating for herself and refusing to accept harassment and abuse, and the immediate response was "How DARE she? She needs to shut up."

Like, this is just same $hit, different day. Are you female? Ok be quiet. Especially if you are pregnant or over the age of 30. And if you won't, now you're racist.

[Anonymous]

Change title of this thread. she did not steal anything. Men bullied her because of her gender and color AND accused her falsely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had something like that happen as well where a women lost her sh*t at me for parking too close to her car. She was screaming, swearing and obviously trying to bait me into some kind of confrontation. I moved my car and was completely stoic (flat affect) and said "I apologize. I moved my car. I have nothing else to say" and walked away while she followed me yelling in my face and demanding more from me. If she had been a man I might have called for help and ended up with my life ruined.

You handled that well. Always keep on moving and ignoring. It’s not worth the consequences. Not only could it end up with you looking bad but someone willing to get in your face over a simple mistake like that may very well be violent.

Yeah that’s the #1 thing to remember, viral videos aside. When someone starts violating boundaries in public, just GTFO. Do not try to argue, do not try to stand up for yourself. Just GTFO. Go to safe location and call 911 if necessary.

Yes. Give them the bike, purse, car, whatever they want and stay safe.

There is so much about this that I hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming these dudes had been hanging out around there for a while. They could have gotten that bike long before she came out if that's what they really wanted.

It was an e-bike. Not the same as the regular citibike. E-bikes are difficult to find. More than likely there were multiple individuals looking at their Citibike app trying to rush and be the first person to get the last e-bike.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Change title of this thread. she did not steal anything. Men bullied her because of her gender and color AND accused her falsely.

Jeff said he’d think about it but he probably won’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to address the question raised as to why the nurse doesn't say "I rented this bike, I was here first," in the video.

The answer at the beginning of the video is very simple: everyone there knew already.

If her account is correct that she got on the bike and unlocked it, and then the guys came and pushed her back into the dock, she had no reason to explain to them that she had rented the bike. There was no misunderstanding -- everyone there had seen her on the bike with the bike unlocked, so she doesn't need to explain it to them.

Now, what she doesn't know in that moment is that this video will wind up on the internet and seen by thousands if not millions of people who actually don't know that, and that many of them will demand to know why she doesn't explain it to them. But she has no idea these people's opinions will ever matter -- she doesn't make her case to them because she doesn't even know they will eventually exist.

Now, later, after the guy has rented the bike (at the :20 second mark of the video) and the other hospital employee came up, why doesn't she ALSO pull out her phone to say she rented the bike? Well my read on it is that she wants the altercation to be over, and when the hospital colleague unsuccessfully suggests they redock the bike and the guys refuse and reiterate it's "his" bike, she gives up. There are so many of them, they will not back down, and she is tired and wants to go home.

Imagine if you worked 12 hours and then dealt with nonsense like this, only to have every facial expression and choice you made in that 90 second video parse and doubted and attacked by a bunch of strangers on the internet. The idea that we don't owe this woman some grace and benefit of the doubt is offensive (I also extend some grace and benefit of the doubt to the guys, some of whom don't even seem to want to take the bike from her, and others who I think don't understand how obnoxioius/offensive their behavior is).

I don’t extend any grace to the young men. If her story is true, they deliberately harassed her and set her up.

Posting of defamatory videos on the internet is an issue that needs to be addressed in the courts. I will donate to the gofundme only when they decide to sue the cameraman and whoever originally posted the video.

I'd like to note that no one knows for certain they are minors. Everyone keeps calling them teenagers. And posting the video is a continuation of them harassing her.

The nurse has been put on leave because of this incident. Incredible. Just saw an interview with her attorney.
They are planning to file defamation lawsuits against the people who have called her "racist" or "Karen" or otherwise defamed her.
She has receipts for renting TWO bikes since the first one was taken from her.
I hope she is successful. This crap has to stop.

But why are the PA and her lawyer not pursuing the original video taker and poster? Why focus on the cackling audience instead of the bad actors on the stage?

This is an internet-wide issue that our society needs to deal with. I guess the ACLU wouldn't be interested, and there's not an ADL or NAACP for white women.

Because it's a no-win situation for her. If she goes after them then she's Karen again. Also, a bunch of guys trying to steal a bike probably don't have a lot of money.

Thinking like that is why women get talked over at work. If you don't give people consequences for maligning/sidelining/objectifying you, they'll see no risk in doing it again.

[Anonymous]

I think the decision not to go after the guys is twofold:

1) I think she and her lawyer genuinely feel like these guys may have screwed up but are not evil people. They do seem to be young men who got caught up in the moment and overstepped. Annoying, but not terrible people. This is the kind of behavior that ought to be handled with social reprobation -- with other people telling them "no, that's not acceptable and we are not going to let you do it." Not something that result in jail time or lawsuits.

2) By not going after them, she gets to look magnanimous, which also helps to change the narrative on her. Now if she continue to be accuse of racism or trying to harm these young black men, she can always point out that she chose not to prosecute them even though their behavior towards her was not right. It's moral high ground and in as situation that is all about perception, she is smart to stake it out.

I think they can both be true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming these dudes had been hanging out around there for a while. They could have gotten that bike long before she came out if that's what they really wanted.

It was an e-bike. Not the same as the regular citibike. E-bikes are difficult to find. More than likely there were multiple individuals looking at their Citibike app trying to rush and be the first person to get the last e-bike.

Or, they were a$$holes just hanging around, looking for trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming these dudes had been hanging out around there for a while. They could have gotten that bike long before she came out if that's what they really wanted.

It was an e-bike. Not the same as the regular citibike. E-bikes are difficult to find. More than likely there were multiple individuals looking at their Citibike app trying to rush and be the first person to get the last e-bike.

There were 4 (?) men. Why did they need one bike?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had something like that happen as well where a women lost her sh*t at me for parking too close to her car. She was screaming, swearing and obviously trying to bait me into some kind of confrontation. I moved my car and was completely stoic (flat affect) and said "I apologize. I moved my car. I have nothing else to say" and walked away while she followed me yelling in my face and demanding more from me. If she had been a man I might have called for help and ended up with my life ruined.

You handled that well. Always keep on moving and ignoring. It’s not worth the consequences. Not only could it end up with you looking bad but someone willing to get in your face over a simple mistake like that may very well be violent.

Yeah that’s the #1 thing to remember, viral videos aside. When someone starts violating boundaries in public, just GTFO. Do not try to argue, do not try to stand up for yourself. Just GTFO. Go to safe location and call 911 if necessary.

Yes. Give them the bike, purse, car, whatever they want and stay safe.

There is so much about this that I hate.

Yes, and the PA is the one who aggressively snatched that guys phone. Most people on this forum would go full on psycho if someone snatched their phone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had something like that happen as well where a women lost her sh*t at me for parking too close to her car. She was screaming, swearing and obviously trying to bait me into some kind of confrontation. I moved my car and was completely stoic (flat affect) and said "I apologize. I moved my car. I have nothing else to say" and walked away while she followed me yelling in my face and demanding more from me. If she had been a man I might have called for help and ended up with my life ruined.

You handled that well. Always keep on moving and ignoring. It’s not worth the consequences. Not only could it end up with you looking bad but someone willing to get in your face over a simple mistake like that may very well be violent.

Yeah that’s the #1 thing to remember, viral videos aside. When someone starts violating boundaries in public, just GTFO. Do not try to argue, do not try to stand up for yourself. Just GTFO. Go to safe location and call 911 if necessary.

Yes. Give them the bike, purse, car, whatever they want and stay safe.

There is so much about this that I hate.

Yes, and the PA is the one who aggressively snatched that guys phone. Most people on this forum would go full on psycho if someone snatched their phone.

While I agree snatching the phone was a bad move, I completely understand why she did it. She was trying to stop him from renting the bike that she had rightfully just rented and was forced to redock. I’d be pissed too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had something like that happen as well where a women lost her sh*t at me for parking too close to her car. She was screaming, swearing and obviously trying to bait me into some kind of confrontation. I moved my car and was completely stoic (flat affect) and said "I apologize. I moved my car. I have nothing else to say" and walked away while she followed me yelling in my face and demanding more from me. If she had been a man I might have called for help and ended up with my life ruined.

You handled that well. Always keep on moving and ignoring. It’s not worth the consequences. Not only could it end up with you looking bad but someone willing to get in your face over a simple mistake like that may very well be violent.

Yeah that’s the #1 thing to remember, viral videos aside. When someone starts violating boundaries in public, just GTFO. Do not try to argue, do not try to stand up for yourself. Just GTFO. Go to safe location and call 911 if necessary.

Yes. Give them the bike, purse, car, whatever they want and stay safe.

There is so much about this that I hate.

Yes, and the PA is the one who aggressively snatched that guys phone. Most people on this forum would go full on psycho if someone snatched their phone.

Psychos steal bikes from pregnant hospital employees.