CTCL schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CTCL is not an actual consortium or conference. It’s an artificial grouping created by some random dude. People don’t have an issue with the schools themselves per se, just the utterly stupid name and the parents desperately clinging to that name. Just say you went to X college, and stop trying to make CTCL sound like an actual thing. We’re not going around calling universities FGTCU or CWYM or IVP or TT or NIL schools.

Why does it bother you so? it is a reference point that means something to some people. Good for them - doesn't affect others.

It only bothers me to the same extent and for the same reasons why if someone from Miami University insisted on introducing themselves as a Public Ivy grad. It just smacks of desperation and entitlement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CTCL is not an actual consortium or conference. It’s an artificial grouping created by some random dude. People don’t have an issue with the schools themselves per se, just the utterly stupid name and the parents desperately clinging to that name. Just say you went to X college, and stop trying to make CTCL sound like an actual thing. We’re not going around calling universities FGTCU or CWYM or IVP or TT or NIL schools.

A nationally known author who was also the NYT ed editor is now some random dude? Such specious claims only further undermine your argument.

[Anonymous]

10 pages of bothering seems excessive, bringing back to the original inquiry of who hurt you so?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is the topic of CTCL schools so divisive? I don’t get it.

Because the contingent of DCUM who are diehard "Top 20 or Nothing" believers don't understand how anyone could want anything else for their high-stats child so they feel the need to put down others choices.

The folks who are considering, or whose kids are attending CTCL type schools, don't understand how the first group can be so narrowly focused that they won't even consider the option that may be a good fit for their child.

Neither group will be swayed from their beliefs, hence the division.

There is similar chatter, although not as strong, between the "college means a big school and living off campus" crowd and the "my kid wants a small residential college" crowd.

Incorrect. The thinking of the top 20 or nothing crowd is that CTCL schools have no more in common with each other than they also do with hundreds of other colleges and that they are grouping themselves together as something different and special only as a marketing gimmick - and they’re amazed that the smart people of DCUM are falling for it.

You keep repeating this and missing the point. The point isn't the specific colleges, the point is it is a way of filtering through and thinking about colleges. They provide collective data/profiles on ones they have filtered--purposefully including a range of selectivity, geography, ideological slant etc-- and tools to think about others. Do you really think all colleges that are not the top 20 are equally average? Do you not think there are meaningful differences in quality of instruction, return on investment, admission to graduate programs, goodness of fit? That it would be overwhelming to have to sort through each of these college profiles and instead find it helpful that a non-profit organization has pulled it together in a meaningful way? That there are few alternatives except the US News and World Report which has a ranking system that has been long gamed and not that relevant to undergraduate student learning?

It's strange that you keep insisting that this is a marketing pitch that people are falling for. It's an approach to looking at schools and an initial set to look at. It's a tool for small schools to come together and share resources for marketing that they would not otherwise have to share information on schools that they may not know about and easily see some meaningful data on them in one place. Who loses here? People don't walk around saying "Look at me, I go to a CTCL school." They use it as a tool to choose a school that is a good fit for them, meets their needs and then say "I went to Bard, Denison, St. Olaf, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, etc." If they had a good experience there (or even if they visited some and thought they would make great safeties) they share the tool with other families so they use it too. These were great safeties for my kid that I would have never thought of otherwise, they didn't end up going but I'm a strong advocate based on visits and looking at the data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CTCL is not an actual consortium or conference. It’s an artificial grouping created by some random dude. People don’t have an issue with the schools themselves per se, just the utterly stupid name and the parents desperately clinging to that name. Just say you went to X college, and stop trying to make CTCL sound like an actual thing. We’re not going around calling universities FGTCU or CWYM or IVP or TT or NIL schools.

A nationally known author who was also the NYT ed editor is now some random dude? Such specious claims only further undermine your argument.

"Nationally known"? He was a successful writer and consultant in a very niche field. I'd give him the same amount of credibility as Edward Fiske, who wrote Fiske's Guide to Colleges. You don't see a FGTC nonprofit, though, or people bragging about how they went to a FGTC school.

"CTCL school" is also terribly thought out. It's either cutaneous t-cell lymphoma, or it's "I went to a Colleges That Change Lives school." -- absolute word gore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:10 pages of bothering seems excessive, bringing back to the original inquiry of who hurt you so?

You keep acting as if there is one person. There are multiple in this thread alone who think the whole marketing exercise is a little silly, and the vast, vast majority who aren't even aware of its existence or who otherwise think it's a nonsensical acronym.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CTCL is not an actual consortium or conference. It’s an artificial grouping created by some random dude. People don’t have an issue with the schools themselves per se, just the utterly stupid name and the parents desperately clinging to that name. Just say you went to X college, and stop trying to make CTCL sound like an actual thing. We’re not going around calling universities FGTCU or CWYM or IVP or TT or NIL schools.

A nationally known author who was also the NYT ed editor is now some random dude? Such specious claims only further undermine your argument.

"Nationally known"? He was a successful writer and consultant in a very niche field. I'd give him the same amount of credibility as Edward Fiske, who wrote Fiske's Guide to Colleges. You don't see a FGTC nonprofit, though, or people bragging about how they went to a FGTC school.

"CTCL school" is also terribly thought out. It's either cutaneous t-cell lymphoma, or it's "I went to a Colleges That Change Lives school." -- absolute word gore.

When have you ever heard anyone say that? Your premise is absurd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CTCL is not an actual consortium or conference. It’s an artificial grouping created by some random dude. People don’t have an issue with the schools themselves per se, just the utterly stupid name and the parents desperately clinging to that name. Just say you went to X college, and stop trying to make CTCL sound like an actual thing. We’re not going around calling universities FGTCU or CWYM or IVP or TT or NIL schools.

A nationally known author who was also the NYT ed editor is now some random dude? Such specious claims only further undermine your argument.

"Nationally known"? He was a successful writer and consultant in a very niche field. I'd give him the same amount of credibility as Edward Fiske, who wrote Fiske's Guide to Colleges. You don't see a FGTC nonprofit, though, or people bragging about how they went to a FGTC school.

"CTCL school" is also terribly thought out. It's either cutaneous t-cell lymphoma, or it's "I went to a Colleges That Change Lives school." -- absolute word gore.

When have you ever heard anyone say that? Your premise is absurd.

Please try to keep up. "CTCL school" parsed out is literally "Colleges That Change Lives school." So if someone says that they go to a CTCL (or went to, or had a kid go to one), they're saying they go to a "Colleges That Change Lives school." Hence the word gore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CTCL is not an actual consortium or conference. It’s an artificial grouping created by some random dude. People don’t have an issue with the schools themselves per se, just the utterly stupid name and the parents desperately clinging to that name. Just say you went to X college, and stop trying to make CTCL sound like an actual thing. We’re not going around calling universities FGTCU or CWYM or IVP or TT or NIL schools.

A nationally known author who was also the NYT ed editor is now some random dude? Such specious claims only further undermine your argument.

"Nationally known"? He was a successful writer and consultant in a very niche field. I'd give him the same amount of credibility as Edward Fiske, who wrote Fiske's Guide to Colleges. You don't see a FGTC nonprofit, though, or people bragging about how they went to a FGTC school.

"CTCL school" is also terribly thought out. It's either cutaneous t-cell lymphoma, or it's "I went to a Colleges That Change Lives school." -- absolute word gore.

When have you ever heard anyone say that? Your premise is absurd.

Please try to keep up. "CTCL school" parsed out is literally "Colleges That Change Lives school." So if someone says that they go to a CTCL (or went to, or had a kid go to one), they're saying they go to a "Colleges That Change Lives school." Hence the word gore.

+1, when people talk about the category of "CTCL" on this board it is so that other people can go to the website and look at the schools they chose, the data on them etc. When they actually put it on their list of schools they apply to they list the school names they chose --they don't say I chose 3 CTCL schools as safeties, they say Wooster, Denison, St. Olaf etc. When they actually go to a school they say the name, unless they want to keep confidentiality on a forum and say "CTCL school" since these schools are often fairly small and may only have a handful of attendees from the area.

[Anonymous]

I know a number of people who went to these colleges, are at them now, or will start at one in the fall. None of them ever mention CTCL or give it as a reason why they went there. Some probably have no clue their college even is one.

[Anonymous]

Yah, like where do you buy your CTCL t shirt?

PP is just a nut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CTCL is not an actual consortium or conference. It’s an artificial grouping created by some random dude. People don’t have an issue with the schools themselves per se, just the utterly stupid name and the parents desperately clinging to that name. Just say you went to X college, and stop trying to make CTCL sound like an actual thing. We’re not going around calling universities FGTCU or CWYM or IVP or TT or NIL schools.

A nationally known author who was also the NYT ed editor is now some random dude? Such specious claims only further undermine your argument.

"Nationally known"? He was a successful writer and consultant in a very niche field. I'd give him the same amount of credibility as Edward Fiske, who wrote Fiske's Guide to Colleges. You don't see a FGTC nonprofit, though, or people bragging about how they went to a FGTC school.

"CTCL school" is also terribly thought out. It's either cutaneous t-cell lymphoma, or it's "I went to a Colleges That Change Lives school." -- absolute word gore.

But nobody except on forums for shorthand says "CTCL schools."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CTCL is not an actual consortium or conference. It’s an artificial grouping created by some random dude. People don’t have an issue with the schools themselves per se, just the utterly stupid name and the parents desperately clinging to that name. Just say you went to X college, and stop trying to make CTCL sound like an actual thing. We’re not going around calling universities FGTCU or CWYM or IVP or TT or NIL schools.

A nationally known author who was also the NYT ed editor is now some random dude? Such specious claims only further undermine your argument.

"Nationally known"? He was a successful writer and consultant in a very niche field. I'd give him the same amount of credibility as Edward Fiske, who wrote Fiske's Guide to Colleges. You don't see a FGTC nonprofit, though, or people bragging about how they went to a FGTC school.

"CTCL school" is also terribly thought out. It's either cutaneous t-cell lymphoma, or it's "I went to a Colleges That Change Lives school." -- absolute word gore.

But nobody except on forums for shorthand says "CTCL schools."

I mean, that's the whole point. that's why the people on DCUM who keep trying to hawk CTCL as if it's some established brand are plain weird and desperate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CTCL is not an actual consortium or conference. It’s an artificial grouping created by some random dude. People don’t have an issue with the schools themselves per se, just the utterly stupid name and the parents desperately clinging to that name. Just say you went to X college, and stop trying to make CTCL sound like an actual thing. We’re not going around calling universities FGTCU or CWYM or IVP or TT or NIL schools.

A nationally known author who was also the NYT ed editor is now some random dude? Such specious claims only further undermine your argument.

"Nationally known"? He was a successful writer and consultant in a very niche field. I'd give him the same amount of credibility as Edward Fiske, who wrote Fiske's Guide to Colleges. You don't see a FGTC nonprofit, though, or people bragging about how they went to a FGTC school.

"CTCL school" is also terribly thought out. It's either cutaneous t-cell lymphoma, or it's "I went to a Colleges That Change Lives school." -- absolute word gore.

But nobody except on forums for shorthand says "CTCL schools."

I mean, that's the whole point. that's why the people on DCUM who keep trying to hawk CTCL as if it's some established brand are plain weird and desperate.

I think the people fixated on "T20" schools are weirder and more desperate.

[Anonymous]

Big 3 must drive you nuts. CTCL actually exists.