Upper elementary at a Title 1 school

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Anonymous wrote:We changed our older child from a title 1 dcps dual language to oyster adams in 4th. The difference was mostly in a more prepared and (wealthy) peer group. Teaching in core subjects was equally strong in both schools, but the specials were much better at oyster adams. The kids’ behavior was not much better, but academically the kids were much stronger at Adams.

Thank you. How do you think the difference in academic strength translated into a different experience for your child? Do you mind sharing which school you switched from?

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OP here. Actually we’re at the Title 1 and I’m convinced it’s mostly racism scaring people away. They look at a playground of brown kids and assume they’re below grade level and misbehaved. They’re not. The games the big kids play with the little kids are adorable and sweet, and all of the 3rd-4th graders I know (classmates siblings and kids from activities) seem bright and are certainly well spoken. I understand not all Title 1 schools are created equal, but I’m happy my child has the experience of seeing kids that don’t look like her being leaders and doing better in some things than her. Those are life lessons that really can change how a person interacts with the world going forward.

Accusing everyone else but themselves of racism but then saying the Black and Brown kids are "well spoken" -- the classic condescending compliment that white people use toward Black and Brown people and only Black and Brown people -- is quite a flex.

Let's be honest here: no white person has ever described another white person as "well spoken."

I bet PP has "a lot of Black friends," too.

Thank you. I have found, over many years, that the clueless parents screaming about others' racism based on their school choices demonstrate a shockingly high level of paternalistic, white-saviour-type thinking about their children's classmates. They also have no understanding at all of the way that middle and upper class people of color go about making their schooling decisions. They'd rather not think about that.

Yep. UMC POC (especially black folks) are often the most wary of putting their kids into a settings with predominantly underperforming same-race peers. Frankly, it’s often better to be a black “only” (or one of a few) than to be a high SES+black “only” in a midst of low-SES black students.

UMC Black families have different considerations than UMC white families. It's not great to point to them and say "well they are avoiding the title 1 school so I'm doing it for the same reason.". No, you're probably not.

Bullcrap

Ah, good point. UMC white kids also get stereotyped as unruly, poor performing too. I forget the long sordid history of racism against white people and how they are funneled into the school to prison pipeline.

/sarcasm

An unacceptable educational setting is an unacceptable educational setting for children of any race or SES. No need to parse it and certainly no need to ascribe racist motives.

Ideally, yes. Operationally, there is a huge difference. Why are you denying this fact? Maybe think about that.

OMG you people are relentless. If I don’t agree with your casual labeling of people as racist then I need to contemplate if I might be racist myself. How about you contemplate that you may be frequently arrogant and wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:We changed our older child from a title 1 dcps dual language to oyster adams in 4th. The difference was mostly in a more prepared and (wealthy) peer group. Teaching in core subjects was equally strong in both schools, but the specials were much better at oyster adams. The kids’ behavior was not much better, but academically the kids were much stronger at Adams.

Thank you. How do you think the difference in academic strength translated into a different experience for your child? Do you mind sharing which school you switched from?

Bump (DP)

Are you still deciding or already regretting your decision?

OP here. Actually we’re at the Title 1 and I’m convinced it’s mostly racism scaring people away. They look at a playground of brown kids and assume they’re below grade level and misbehaved. They’re not. The games the big kids play with the little kids are adorable and sweet, and all of the 3rd-4th graders I know (classmates siblings and kids from activities) seem bright and are certainly well spoken. I understand not all Title 1 schools are created equal, but I’m happy my child has the experience of seeing kids that don’t look like her being leaders and doing better in some things than her. Those are life lessons that really can change how a person interacts with the world going forward.

Accusing everyone else but themselves of racism but then saying the Black and Brown kids are "well spoken" -- the classic condescending compliment that white people use toward Black and Brown people and only Black and Brown people -- is quite a flex.

Let's be honest here: no white person has ever described another white person as "well spoken."

I bet PP has "a lot of Black friends," too.

Thank you. I have found, over many years, that the clueless parents screaming about others' racism based on their school choices demonstrate a shockingly high level of paternalistic, white-saviour-type thinking about their children's classmates. They also have no understanding at all of the way that middle and upper class people of color go about making their schooling decisions. They'd rather not think about that.

Yep. UMC POC (especially black folks) are often the most wary of putting their kids into a settings with predominantly underperforming same-race peers. Frankly, it’s often better to be a black “only” (or one of a few) than to be a high SES+black “only” in a midst of low-SES black students.

UMC Black families have different considerations than UMC white families. It's not great to point to them and say "well they are avoiding the title 1 school so I'm doing it for the same reason.". No, you're probably not.

Bullcrap

Ah, good point. UMC white kids also get stereotyped as unruly, poor performing too. I forget the long sordid history of racism against white people and how they are funneled into the school to prison pipeline.

/sarcasm

An unacceptable educational setting is an unacceptable educational setting for children of any race or SES. No need to parse it and certainly no need to ascribe racist motives.

Ideally, yes. Operationally, there is a huge difference. Why are you denying this fact? Maybe think about that.

OMG you people are relentless. If I don’t agree with your casual labeling of people as racist then I need to contemplate if I might be racist myself. How about you contemplate that you may be frequently arrogant and wrong.

LOL the denial is strong with you! 🤣

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Anonymous wrote:We changed our older child from a title 1 dcps dual language to oyster adams in 4th. The difference was mostly in a more prepared and (wealthy) peer group. Teaching in core subjects was equally strong in both schools, but the specials were much better at oyster adams. The kids’ behavior was not much better, but academically the kids were much stronger at Adams.

Thank you. How do you think the difference in academic strength translated into a different experience for your child? Do you mind sharing which school you switched from?

Bump (DP)

Are you still deciding or already regretting your decision?

OP here. Actually we’re at the Title 1 and I’m convinced it’s mostly racism scaring people away. They look at a playground of brown kids and assume they’re below grade level and misbehaved. They’re not. The games the big kids play with the little kids are adorable and sweet, and all of the 3rd-4th graders I know (classmates siblings and kids from activities) seem bright and are certainly well spoken. I understand not all Title 1 schools are created equal, but I’m happy my child has the experience of seeing kids that don’t look like her being leaders and doing better in some things than her. Those are life lessons that really can change how a person interacts with the world going forward.

Accusing everyone else but themselves of racism but then saying the Black and Brown kids are "well spoken" -- the classic condescending compliment that white people use toward Black and Brown people and only Black and Brown people -- is quite a flex.

Let's be honest here: no white person has ever described another white person as "well spoken."

I bet PP has "a lot of Black friends," too.

Thank you. I have found, over many years, that the clueless parents screaming about others' racism based on their school choices demonstrate a shockingly high level of paternalistic, white-saviour-type thinking about their children's classmates. They also have no understanding at all of the way that middle and upper class people of color go about making their schooling decisions. They'd rather not think about that.

Yep. UMC POC (especially black folks) are often the most wary of putting their kids into a settings with predominantly underperforming same-race peers. Frankly, it’s often better to be a black “only” (or one of a few) than to be a high SES+black “only” in a midst of low-SES black students.

As an UMC POC, since we're not a monolith, I don't agree with this at all. There are trade offs with each situation, and the #1 thing I worried about moving my son from a Title 1 DCPS to a HRCS was losing black male teachers, role models and class mates. I am constantly taking note of the amount of black children in the school and how he's situated in his class.

You don't agree with the fact that UMC POC often think like this...or their decision to do so? FWIW -- I'm more in your camp on evaluating schools, but I know plenty of black folks that try to avoid schools with a large low SES black populations. I that racist? On some level, it might be actually. But its behaviorally no different than what many (not all) white folks do when it comes to school choices, even if the points of departure and implcations are different

That would be classism if they are avoiding low SES Black student groups, or racism if they are OK with low SES white student groups but not Black. Or a complicated mixture because those are so tied in DC. Or there may be other factors at play that they are avoiding in largely low SES Black schools that are not apparent to or not applicable to white parents.

Well, in DC proper, there really aren't any low SES white groups to speak of, so it's a bit theoretical to assume that high-SES blacks would be ok with poor whites, but not poor blacks. I think that most high-SES black folks would like there to be at least a critical mass of same-race/-SES peers for their children -- or if not necessarily high-SES, at least solidly middle class. That's a bit hard to find in DC (outside of private schools that can curate for that). Whereas, if you are white or Asian, any place in DC that has a critical mass of folks that look like you, will invariably have a critical mass of same-race/SES peers.

Hold on. You seem to think we're all ok with "racism bad, classism good" and I think that's messed up.

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Anonymous wrote:We changed our older child from a title 1 dcps dual language to oyster adams in 4th. The difference was mostly in a more prepared and (wealthy) peer group. Teaching in core subjects was equally strong in both schools, but the specials were much better at oyster adams. The kids’ behavior was not much better, but academically the kids were much stronger at Adams.

Thank you. How do you think the difference in academic strength translated into a different experience for your child? Do you mind sharing which school you switched from?

Bump (DP)

Are you still deciding or already regretting your decision?

OP here. Actually we’re at the Title 1 and I’m convinced it’s mostly racism scaring people away. They look at a playground of brown kids and assume they’re below grade level and misbehaved. They’re not. The games the big kids play with the little kids are adorable and sweet, and all of the 3rd-4th graders I know (classmates siblings and kids from activities) seem bright and are certainly well spoken. I understand not all Title 1 schools are created equal, but I’m happy my child has the experience of seeing kids that don’t look like her being leaders and doing better in some things than her. Those are life lessons that really can change how a person interacts with the world going forward.

Accusing everyone else but themselves of racism but then saying the Black and Brown kids are "well spoken" -- the classic condescending compliment that white people use toward Black and Brown people and only Black and Brown people -- is quite a flex.

Let's be honest here: no white person has ever described another white person as "well spoken."

I bet PP has "a lot of Black friends," too.

Thank you. I have found, over many years, that the clueless parents screaming about others' racism based on their school choices demonstrate a shockingly high level of paternalistic, white-saviour-type thinking about their children's classmates. They also have no understanding at all of the way that middle and upper class people of color go about making their schooling decisions. They'd rather not think about that.

Yep. UMC POC (especially black folks) are often the most wary of putting their kids into a settings with predominantly underperforming same-race peers. Frankly, it’s often better to be a black “only” (or one of a few) than to be a high SES+black “only” in a midst of low-SES black students.

UMC Black families have different considerations than UMC white families. It's not great to point to them and say "well they are avoiding the title 1 school so I'm doing it for the same reason.". No, you're probably not.

Bullcrap

Ah, good point. UMC white kids also get stereotyped as unruly, poor performing too. I forget the long sordid history of racism against white people and how they are funneled into the school to prison pipeline.

/sarcasm

An unacceptable educational setting is an unacceptable educational setting for children of any race or SES. No need to parse it and certainly no need to ascribe racist motives.

Ideally, yes. Operationally, there is a huge difference. Why are you denying this fact? Maybe think about that.

OMG you people are relentless. If I don’t agree with your casual labeling of people as racist then I need to contemplate if I might be racist myself. How about you contemplate that you may be frequently arrogant and wrong.

LOL the denial is strong with you! 🤣

And with you :lol:

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Anonymous wrote:We changed our older child from a title 1 dcps dual language to oyster adams in 4th. The difference was mostly in a more prepared and (wealthy) peer group. Teaching in core subjects was equally strong in both schools, but the specials were much better at oyster adams. The kids’ behavior was not much better, but academically the kids were much stronger at Adams.

Thank you. How do you think the difference in academic strength translated into a different experience for your child? Do you mind sharing which school you switched from?

Bump (DP)

Are you still deciding or already regretting your decision?

OP here. Actually we’re at the Title 1 and I’m convinced it’s mostly racism scaring people away. They look at a playground of brown kids and assume they’re below grade level and misbehaved. They’re not. The games the big kids play with the little kids are adorable and sweet, and all of the 3rd-4th graders I know (classmates siblings and kids from activities) seem bright and are certainly well spoken. I understand not all Title 1 schools are created equal, but I’m happy my child has the experience of seeing kids that don’t look like her being leaders and doing better in some things than her. Those are life lessons that really can change how a person interacts with the world going forward.

Accusing everyone else but themselves of racism but then saying the Black and Brown kids are "well spoken" -- the classic condescending compliment that white people use toward Black and Brown people and only Black and Brown people -- is quite a flex.

Let's be honest here: no white person has ever described another white person as "well spoken."

I bet PP has "a lot of Black friends," too.

Thank you. I have found, over many years, that the clueless parents screaming about others' racism based on their school choices demonstrate a shockingly high level of paternalistic, white-saviour-type thinking about their children's classmates. They also have no understanding at all of the way that middle and upper class people of color go about making their schooling decisions. They'd rather not think about that.

Yep. UMC POC (especially black folks) are often the most wary of putting their kids into a settings with predominantly underperforming same-race peers. Frankly, it’s often better to be a black “only” (or one of a few) than to be a high SES+black “only” in a midst of low-SES black students.

UMC Black families have different considerations than UMC white families. It's not great to point to them and say "well they are avoiding the title 1 school so I'm doing it for the same reason.". No, you're probably not.

Bullcrap

Ah, good point. UMC white kids also get stereotyped as unruly, poor performing too. I forget the long sordid history of racism against white people and how they are funneled into the school to prison pipeline.

/sarcasm

An unacceptable educational setting is an unacceptable educational setting for children of any race or SES. No need to parse it and certainly no need to ascribe racist motives.

Ideally, yes. Operationally, there is a huge difference. Why are you denying this fact? Maybe think about that.

OMG you people are relentless. If I don’t agree with your casual labeling of people as racist then I need to contemplate if I might be racist myself. How about you contemplate that you may be frequently arrogant and wrong.

LOL the denial is strong with you! 🤣

And with you :lol:

OP here. Just want to say I am neither of these posters. Continue fighting amongst yourselves! :lol:

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Anonymous wrote:We changed our older child from a title 1 dcps dual language to oyster adams in 4th. The difference was mostly in a more prepared and (wealthy) peer group. Teaching in core subjects was equally strong in both schools, but the specials were much better at oyster adams. The kids’ behavior was not much better, but academically the kids were much stronger at Adams.

Thank you. How do you think the difference in academic strength translated into a different experience for your child? Do you mind sharing which school you switched from?

Bump (DP)

Are you still deciding or already regretting your decision?

OP here. Actually we’re at the Title 1 and I’m convinced it’s mostly racism scaring people away. They look at a playground of brown kids and assume they’re below grade level and misbehaved. They’re not. The games the big kids play with the little kids are adorable and sweet, and all of the 3rd-4th graders I know (classmates siblings and kids from activities) seem bright and are certainly well spoken. I understand not all Title 1 schools are created equal, but I’m happy my child has the experience of seeing kids that don’t look like her being leaders and doing better in some things than her. Those are life lessons that really can change how a person interacts with the world going forward.

Accusing everyone else but themselves of racism but then saying the Black and Brown kids are "well spoken" -- the classic condescending compliment that white people use toward Black and Brown people and only Black and Brown people -- is quite a flex.

Let's be honest here: no white person has ever described another white person as "well spoken."

I bet PP has "a lot of Black friends," too.

Thank you. I have found, over many years, that the clueless parents screaming about others' racism based on their school choices demonstrate a shockingly high level of paternalistic, white-saviour-type thinking about their children's classmates. They also have no understanding at all of the way that middle and upper class people of color go about making their schooling decisions. They'd rather not think about that.

Yep. UMC POC (especially black folks) are often the most wary of putting their kids into a settings with predominantly underperforming same-race peers. Frankly, it’s often better to be a black “only” (or one of a few) than to be a high SES+black “only” in a midst of low-SES black students.

As an UMC POC, since we're not a monolith, I don't agree with this at all. There are trade offs with each situation, and the #1 thing I worried about moving my son from a Title 1 DCPS to a HRCS was losing black male teachers, role models and class mates. I am constantly taking note of the amount of black children in the school and how he's situated in his class.

You don't agree with the fact that UMC POC often think like this...or their decision to do so? FWIW -- I'm more in your camp on evaluating schools, but I know plenty of black folks that try to avoid schools with a large low SES black populations. I that racist? On some level, it might be actually. But its behaviorally no different than what many (not all) white folks do when it comes to school choices, even if the points of departure and implcations are different

That would be classism if they are avoiding low SES Black student groups, or racism if they are OK with low SES white student groups but not Black. Or a complicated mixture because those are so tied in DC. Or there may be other factors at play that they are avoiding in largely low SES Black schools that are not apparent to or not applicable to white parents.

Well, in DC proper, there really aren't any low SES white groups to speak of, so it's a bit theoretical to assume that high-SES blacks would be ok with poor whites, but not poor blacks. I think that most high-SES black folks would like there to be at least a critical mass of same-race/-SES peers for their children -- or if not necessarily high-SES, at least solidly middle class. That's a bit hard to find in DC (outside of private schools that can curate for that). Whereas, if you are white or Asian, any place in DC that has a critical mass of folks that look like you, will invariably have a critical mass of same-race/SES peers.

Hold on. You seem to think we're all ok with "racism bad, classism good" and I think that's messed up.

So black folks preferring what DC-area white/Asians can get as a matter or course is now classism? Not wanting my black kids to be the only UMC black kids in a school is classist? I have no doubt that you appreciate the material consequences of that, right? Sad fact is that many peer groups break down along race/class lines, so I’d like a few similarly-situated blacks at the school, not that my kids’ social group needs to be so-limited.

[Anonymous]

Here is one difference -- when white UMC parents opt out of diverse, integrated school and move to white enclaves, they exacerbate de facto segregation.

UMC black parents don't. They have many more, and different, considerations when trying to find the best school experience for their kids. It's not clear to me what the best option actually is...

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Anonymous wrote:We changed our older child from a title 1 dcps dual language to oyster adams in 4th. The difference was mostly in a more prepared and (wealthy) peer group. Teaching in core subjects was equally strong in both schools, but the specials were much better at oyster adams. The kids’ behavior was not much better, but academically the kids were much stronger at Adams.

Thank you. How do you think the difference in academic strength translated into a different experience for your child? Do you mind sharing which school you switched from?

Bump (DP)

Are you still deciding or already regretting your decision?

OP here. Actually we’re at the Title 1 and I’m convinced it’s mostly racism scaring people away. They look at a playground of brown kids and assume they’re below grade level and misbehaved. They’re not. The games the big kids play with the little kids are adorable and sweet, and all of the 3rd-4th graders I know (classmates siblings and kids from activities) seem bright and are certainly well spoken. I understand not all Title 1 schools are created equal, but I’m happy my child has the experience of seeing kids that don’t look like her being leaders and doing better in some things than her. Those are life lessons that really can change how a person interacts with the world going forward.

Accusing everyone else but themselves of racism but then saying the Black and Brown kids are "well spoken" -- the classic condescending compliment that white people use toward Black and Brown people and only Black and Brown people -- is quite a flex.

Let's be honest here: no white person has ever described another white person as "well spoken."

I bet PP has "a lot of Black friends," too.

Thank you. I have found, over many years, that the clueless parents screaming about others' racism based on their school choices demonstrate a shockingly high level of paternalistic, white-saviour-type thinking about their children's classmates. They also have no understanding at all of the way that middle and upper class people of color go about making their schooling decisions. They'd rather not think about that.

Yep. UMC POC (especially black folks) are often the most wary of putting their kids into a settings with predominantly underperforming same-race peers. Frankly, it’s often better to be a black “only” (or one of a few) than to be a high SES+black “only” in a midst of low-SES black students.

As an UMC POC, since we're not a monolith, I don't agree with this at all. There are trade offs with each situation, and the #1 thing I worried about moving my son from a Title 1 DCPS to a HRCS was losing black male teachers, role models and class mates. I am constantly taking note of the amount of black children in the school and how he's situated in his class.

You don't agree with the fact that UMC POC often think like this...or their decision to do so? FWIW -- I'm more in your camp on evaluating schools, but I know plenty of black folks that try to avoid schools with a large low SES black populations. I that racist? On some level, it might be actually. But its behaviorally no different than what many (not all) white folks do when it comes to school choices, even if the points of departure and implcations are different

That would be classism if they are avoiding low SES Black student groups, or racism if they are OK with low SES white student groups but not Black. Or a complicated mixture because those are so tied in DC. Or there may be other factors at play that they are avoiding in largely low SES Black schools that are not apparent to or not applicable to white parents.

Well, in DC proper, there really aren't any low SES white groups to speak of, so it's a bit theoretical to assume that high-SES blacks would be ok with poor whites, but not poor blacks. I think that most high-SES black folks would like there to be at least a critical mass of same-race/-SES peers for their children -- or if not necessarily high-SES, at least solidly middle class. That's a bit hard to find in DC (outside of private schools that can curate for that). Whereas, if you are white or Asian, any place in DC that has a critical mass of folks that look like you, will invariably have a critical mass of same-race/SES peers.

Hold on. You seem to think we're all ok with "racism bad, classism good" and I think that's messed up.

So black folks preferring what DC-area white/Asians can get as a matter or course is now classism? Not wanting my black kids to be the only UMC black kids in a school is classist? I have no doubt that you appreciate the material consequences of that, right? Sad fact is that many peer groups break down along race/class lines, so I’d like a few similarly-situated blacks at the school, not that my kids’ social group needs to be so-limited.

White UMC DC is/has been pretty classist for... ever? For example, look at dynamics on capitol hill. If what you're going for is what they have, then yes you're trying to replicate their classism. I don't think that's very complicated.

But what you said you want: "a few similarly-situated blacks at the school" is not that. And it's what many white parents don't understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is one difference -- when white UMC parents opt out of diverse, integrated school and move to white enclaves, they exacerbate de facto segregation.

UMC black parents don't. They have many more, and different, considerations when trying to find the best school experience for their kids. It's not clear to me what the best option actually is...

???? How about the professional adults in charge of those diverse, integrated schools do some out-of-the-box thinking and make the their school someplace everyone is safe, valued and gets a good education---asking UMC parents to stick around in unacceptable conditions in hopes that *they* might fix the school is folly. There are rational and well-considered reasons other than racism that people leave a dysfunctional school/school system.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one difference -- when white UMC parents opt out of diverse, integrated school and move to white enclaves, they exacerbate de facto segregation.

UMC black parents don't. They have many more, and different, considerations when trying to find the best school experience for their kids. It's not clear to me what the best option actually is...

???? How about the professional adults in charge of those diverse, integrated schools do some out-of-the-box thinking and make the their school someplace everyone is safe, valued and gets a good education---asking UMC parents to stick around in unacceptable conditions in hopes that *they* might fix the school is folly. There are rational and well-considered reasons other than racism that people leave a dysfunctional school/school system.

Yeah, and everyone wants to claim those reasons but won't admit the racist ones. It's not as simple as yes vs. no as how much. Being in denial doesn't help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one difference -- when white UMC parents opt out of diverse, integrated school and move to white enclaves, they exacerbate de facto segregation.

UMC black parents don't. They have many more, and different, considerations when trying to find the best school experience for their kids. It's not clear to me what the best option actually is...

???? How about the professional adults in charge of those diverse, integrated schools do some out-of-the-box thinking and make the their school someplace everyone is safe, valued and gets a good education---asking UMC parents to stick around in unacceptable conditions in hopes that *they* might fix the school is folly. There are rational and well-considered reasons other than racism that people leave a dysfunctional school/school system.

It’s incumbent on you to sacrifice your child’s education. If you don’t, you’re racist

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one difference -- when white UMC parents opt out of diverse, integrated school and move to white enclaves, they exacerbate de facto segregation.

UMC black parents don't. They have many more, and different, considerations when trying to find the best school experience for their kids. It's not clear to me what the best option actually is...

???? How about the professional adults in charge of those diverse, integrated schools do some out-of-the-box thinking and make the their school someplace everyone is safe, valued and gets a good education---asking UMC parents to stick around in unacceptable conditions in hopes that *they* might fix the school is folly. There are rational and well-considered reasons other than racism that people leave a dysfunctional school/school system.

That's exact what these threads are about. My kids attend one of these schools, a title 1 where kids actually are safe, valued and getting a good education. And i have seen many white parents pull their kids bc of, yes, racism. They can't see the true value of their school bc they are confused by the demographics.

This school now has a prek that is about half white. And guess what? Now the same exact school, with the same teachers and curriculum, is suddenly desirable and people arent talking about moving.

These decisions are absolutely about race and demographics.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one difference -- when white UMC parents opt out of diverse, integrated school and move to white enclaves, they exacerbate de facto segregation.

UMC black parents don't. They have many more, and different, considerations when trying to find the best school experience for their kids. It's not clear to me what the best option actually is...

???? How about the professional adults in charge of those diverse, integrated schools do some out-of-the-box thinking and make the their school someplace everyone is safe, valued and gets a good education---asking UMC parents to stick around in unacceptable conditions in hopes that *they* might fix the school is folly. There are rational and well-considered reasons other than racism that people leave a dysfunctional school/school system.

That's exact what these threads are about. My kids attend one of these schools, a title 1 where kids actually are safe, valued and getting a good education. And i have seen many white parents pull their kids bc of, yes, racism. They can't see the true value of their school bc they are confused by the demographics.

This school now has a prek that is about half white. And guess what? Now the same exact school, with the same teachers and curriculum, is suddenly desirable and people arent talking about moving.

These decisions are absolutely about race and demographics.

After 10 pages you have learned nothing and keep calling people racists, SMH.

[Anonymous]

My kid was at a title 1 school and left in 3rd. There was a lot of moving away, rigid discipline practices and not enough people to be friends with (DS wasn’t into sports and was a bit nerdy). Not enough after school offerings, not enough playdates, rough behaviors sometimes.
He only went there becsuse I couldn’t afford anything else but I tried to make the best of it and be positive. We won the lottery in 3rd and it was night and day. Not in DC though.
Middle school is ok so at least there was that
I have since decided that there are no hidden gems. Don’t waste your time. Admin and parents may try to make the best of it but high needs kids are what they are and it’s like rowing upstream

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one difference -- when white UMC parents opt out of diverse, integrated school and move to white enclaves, they exacerbate de facto segregation.

UMC black parents don't. They have many more, and different, considerations when trying to find the best school experience for their kids. It's not clear to me what the best option actually is...

???? How about the professional adults in charge of those diverse, integrated schools do some out-of-the-box thinking and make the their school someplace everyone is safe, valued and gets a good education---asking UMC parents to stick around in unacceptable conditions in hopes that *they* might fix the school is folly. There are rational and well-considered reasons other than racism that people leave a dysfunctional school/school system.

That's exact what these threads are about. My kids attend one of these schools, a title 1 where kids actually are safe, valued and getting a good education. And i have seen many white parents pull their kids bc of, yes, racism. They can't see the true value of their school bc they are confused by the demographics.

This school now has a prek that is about half white. And guess what? Now the same exact school, with the same teachers and curriculum, is suddenly desirable and people arent talking about moving.

These decisions are absolutely about race and demographics.

After 10 pages you have learned nothing and keep calling people racists, SMH.

DP. If the shoe fits…