I hate test optional!

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Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence. They do measure how prepared for college a student is. I always laugh at people who make the distinction that they or their student “isn’t good at taking tests” but deserve special attention because they are really smart otherwise and tests are designed to not help rich, privileged people. Pathetic really.

Those tests were designed to predict college performance...but it turns out they don't do that well.

GPA is a better predictor. I guess you did not read the studies posted earlier.

But you keep thinking your opinions are fact if that works for you.

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Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence. They do measure how prepared for college a student is. I always laugh at people who make the distinction that they or their student “isn’t good at taking tests” but deserve special attention because they are really smart otherwise and tests are designed to not help rich, privileged people. Pathetic really.

If you have 10-15K to throw at the test almost any kids can get a high score and those with major learning disabilities. Months of practice, individualized teaching to the test and extreme individual coaching can get almost any kid a top score. I guess to you that means the kid is ready for college.

So I guess the children of all rich families get 1600 on their SAT? /s Actually, rich families with mediocre students hate the SAT because there is much less opportunity to massage the score. You can hire someone to write their personal essay. and get them impressive sounding extracurricular activities. Cheating on their high school tests is relatively easy. But intensive training for the SAT won't change their score by more than 80 points, and the opportunities for cheating are tiny.

haha if you say so! Obviously kids who have expensive prep and one on one tutoring to prepare do better. That's a fact. I spent about $500 on SAT prep for my kid, it was all I could afford. Pretty sure the rich families spent WAY more, and guess what, their mediocre kids get better scores. They just do because the SAT is all about test taking, 100% that is it.

Your perspective is outdated. My child did great with just khan academy and many, many kids do. It requires discipline but zero dollars.

It's really not outdated. I have seniors, I've just been through this. I paid a tutor to help my kid get where they needed to be with math because not a math person, only did a few hours, and the rest he took practice tests on Khan.

I have kids this age too and I’m telling you many are doing great with just khan academy at our expensive private school. So if you want to think everyone who scores high is a genius or paid a tutor that’s just not true. It does sound like there are a lot of kids willing to put in a lot more time working in their own than your child.

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How do you all get your kids to do all of this "prep"? Seriously. My kid tells me he is "too busy" and has "too much work" to prep or take practice tests. Actually, he just doesn't care enough to prep and doesn't feel like it. It amazes me how kids of people on this board will spend hours every day prepping, will agree to take classes and/or work with a tutor, etc. Are they just super competitive, internally-motivated strivers, or do they all believe their parents or peers when they are told to strive for the brass ring?

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Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence. They do measure how prepared for college a student is. I always laugh at people who make the distinction that they or their student “isn’t good at taking tests” but deserve special attention because they are really smart otherwise and tests are designed to not help rich, privileged people. Pathetic really.

If this is true it should be a one-shot, no super scored test taken the fall of senior year.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you all get your kids to do all of this "prep"? Seriously. My kid tells me he is "too busy" and has "too much work" to prep or take practice tests. Actually, he just doesn't care enough to prep and doesn't feel like it. It amazes me how kids of people on this board will spend hours every day prepping, will agree to take classes and/or work with a tutor, etc. Are they just super competitive, internally-motivated strivers, or do they all believe their parents or peers when they are told to strive for the brass ring?

For my child, they’re a hard worker with lots of internal motivation plus they’ve been scared straight by older friends’ college application trauma and they’re looking to do everything they can to improve their application.

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OP, your kid sounds fine, but just sounds like a pretty normal kid who gets good test scores. She's certainly not owed anything.

And you of course, are free to submit her test scores. If they are high, they will help her.

Carrying around so much anger and resentment cannot be good for you or your daughter. You should calm down - it sounds like your kid will be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you all get your kids to do all of this "prep"? Seriously. My kid tells me he is "too busy" and has "too much work" to prep or take practice tests. Actually, he just doesn't care enough to prep and doesn't feel like it. It amazes me how kids of people on this board will spend hours every day prepping, will agree to take classes and/or work with a tutor, etc. Are they just super competitive, internally-motivated strivers, or do they all believe their parents or peers when they are told to strive for the brass ring?

This was my kid. He took it without prep, scored the same no-prep score score as OP'a genius child, and submitted that score to colleges with good results. Seemed like a no-brainer. The last thing he wanted was a tutor or extra homework.

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OP— I do not feel bad for you or your child. You wreak of entitlement. Do you know how many kids have your “brilliant” child’s stats? A whole heck of a lot. Tons. And guess what, many of those kids didn’t pay someone to raise their scores like you did. And they worked harder than your kids to get straight A’s. You are clueless. Completely clueless if you think your kid is any more special than anyone else. Too bad for you. Go suck an egg.

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Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence. They do measure how prepared for college a student is. I always laugh at people who make the distinction that they or their student “isn’t good at taking tests” but deserve special attention because they are really smart otherwise and tests are designed to not help rich, privileged people. Pathetic really.

If you have 10-15K to throw at the test almost any kids can get a high score and those with major learning disabilities. Months of practice, individualized teaching to the test and extreme individual coaching can get almost any kid a top score. I guess to you that means the kid is ready for college.

So I guess the children of all rich families get 1600 on their SAT? /s Actually, rich families with mediocre students hate the SAT because there is much less opportunity to massage the score. You can hire someone to write their personal essay. and get them impressive sounding extracurricular activities. Cheating on their high school tests is relatively easy. But intensive training for the SAT won't change their score by more than 80 points, and the opportunities for cheating are tiny.

haha if you say so! Obviously kids who have expensive prep and one on one tutoring to prepare do better. That's a fact. I spent about $500 on SAT prep for my kid, it was all I could afford. Pretty sure the rich families spent WAY more, and guess what, their mediocre kids get better scores. They just do because the SAT is all about test taking, 100% that is it.

Yep. classes give you 80 points. Intensive one on one prep for $1000s fives you more or no one would pay for it. People have common sense please.

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Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence. They do measure how prepared for college a student is. I always laugh at people who make the distinction that they or their student “isn’t good at taking tests” but deserve special attention because they are really smart otherwise and tests are designed to not help rich, privileged people. Pathetic really.

Those tests were designed to predict college performance...but it turns out they don't do that well.

GPA is a better predictor. I guess you did not read the studies posted earlier.

But you keep thinking your opinions are fact if that works for you.

This is false, according to a recent study by UC Berkeley.

"In its 2020 report, the UC academic senate found that the SAT was better than high school GPA at predicting first year GPA, and just as good as high school GPA at predicting undergraduate GPA, first year retention, and graduation. This predictive validity was found to hold across demographic groups.[70] A series of College Board reports similar predictive validity across demographic groups."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Predictive_validity_and_powers

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Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence. They do measure how prepared for college a student is. I always laugh at people who make the distinction that they or their student “isn’t good at taking tests” but deserve special attention because they are really smart otherwise and tests are designed to not help rich, privileged people. Pathetic really.

If you have 10-15K to throw at the test almost any kids can get a high score and those with major learning disabilities. Months of practice, individualized teaching to the test and extreme individual coaching can get almost any kid a top score. I guess to you that means the kid is ready for college.

So I guess the children of all rich families get 1600 on their SAT? /s Actually, rich families with mediocre students hate the SAT because there is much less opportunity to massage the score. You can hire someone to write their personal essay. and get them impressive sounding extracurricular activities. Cheating on their high school tests is relatively easy. But intensive training for the SAT won't change their score by more than 80 points, and the opportunities for cheating are tiny.

haha if you say so! Obviously kids who have expensive prep and one on one tutoring to prepare do better. That's a fact. I spent about $500 on SAT prep for my kid, it was all I could afford. Pretty sure the rich families spent WAY more, and guess what, their mediocre kids get better scores. They just do because the SAT is all about test taking, 100% that is it.

Your perspective is outdated. My child did great with just khan academy and many, many kids do. It requires discipline but zero dollars.

It's really not outdated. I have seniors, I've just been through this. I paid a tutor to help my kid get where they needed to be with math because not a math person, only did a few hours, and the rest he took practice tests on Khan.

I have kids this age too and I’m telling you many are doing great with just khan academy at our expensive private school. So if you want to think everyone who scores high is a genius or paid a tutor that’s just not true. It does sound like there are a lot of kids willing to put in a lot more time working in their own than your child.

People lie! Who wants to say lara spent 20 weeks one on one for $500/hour getting ready for the SAT? People say what they are suppose to say. No one admits using a private counselors or tutors unless you caught. You really have no idea what people did except for your kid. You also know that the centers are still in business (and printing list of where their kids got in) so most likely someone is buying the service.

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Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence. They do measure how prepared for college a student is. I always laugh at people who make the distinction that they or their student “isn’t good at taking tests” but deserve special attention because they are really smart otherwise and tests are designed to not help rich, privileged people. Pathetic really.

If you have 10-15K to throw at the test almost any kids can get a high score and those with major learning disabilities. Months of practice, individualized teaching to the test and extreme individual coaching can get almost any kid a top score. I guess to you that means the kid is ready for college.

So I guess the children of all rich families get 1600 on their SAT? /s Actually, rich families with mediocre students hate the SAT because there is much less opportunity to massage the score. You can hire someone to write their personal essay. and get them impressive sounding extracurricular activities. Cheating on their high school tests is relatively easy. But intensive training for the SAT won't change their score by more than 80 points, and the opportunities for cheating are tiny.

haha if you say so! Obviously kids who have expensive prep and one on one tutoring to prepare do better. That's a fact. I spent about $500 on SAT prep for my kid, it was all I could afford. Pretty sure the rich families spent WAY more, and guess what, their mediocre kids get better scores. They just do because the SAT is all about test taking, 100% that is it.

Your perspective is outdated. My child did great with just khan academy and many, many kids do. It requires discipline but zero dollars.

It's really not outdated. I have seniors, I've just been through this. I paid a tutor to help my kid get where they needed to be with math because not a math person, only did a few hours, and the rest he took practice tests on Khan.

I have kids this age too and I’m telling you many are doing great with just khan academy at our expensive private school. So if you want to think everyone who scores high is a genius or paid a tutor that’s just not true. It does sound like there are a lot of kids willing to put in a lot more time working in their own than your child.

People lie! Who wants to say lara spent 20 weeks one on one for $500/hour getting ready for the SAT? People say what they are suppose to say. No one admits using a private counselors or tutors unless you caught. You really have no idea what people did except for your kid. You also know that the centers are still in business (and printing list of where their kids got in) so most likely someone is buying the service.

Clearly some people are doing it but you’re kidding yourself if you think everyone who could afford it is or that’s the only route to top scores. It’s definitely not!

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Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence. They do measure how prepared for college a student is. I always laugh at people who make the distinction that they or their student “isn’t good at taking tests” but deserve special attention because they are really smart otherwise and tests are designed to not help rich, privileged people. Pathetic really.

If you have 10-15K to throw at the test almost any kids can get a high score and those with major learning disabilities. Months of practice, individualized teaching to the test and extreme individual coaching can get almost any kid a top score. I guess to you that means the kid is ready for college.

So I guess the children of all rich families get 1600 on their SAT? /s Actually, rich families with mediocre students hate the SAT because there is much less opportunity to massage the score. You can hire someone to write their personal essay. and get them impressive sounding extracurricular activities. Cheating on their high school tests is relatively easy. But intensive training for the SAT won't change their score by more than 80 points, and the opportunities for cheating are tiny.

haha if you say so! Obviously kids who have expensive prep and one on one tutoring to prepare do better. That's a fact. I spent about $500 on SAT prep for my kid, it was all I could afford. Pretty sure the rich families spent WAY more, and guess what, their mediocre kids get better scores. They just do because the SAT is all about test taking, 100% that is it.

Your perspective is outdated. My child did great with just khan academy and many, many kids do. It requires discipline but zero dollars.

It's really not outdated. I have seniors, I've just been through this. I paid a tutor to help my kid get where they needed to be with math because not a math person, only did a few hours, and the rest he took practice tests on Khan.

I have kids this age too and I’m telling you many are doing great with just khan academy at our expensive private school. So if you want to think everyone who scores high is a genius or paid a tutor that’s just not true. It does sound like there are a lot of kids willing to put in a lot more time working in their own than your child.

People lie! Who wants to say lara spent 20 weeks one on one for $500/hour getting ready for the SAT? People say what they are suppose to say. No one admits using a private counselors or tutors unless you caught. You really have no idea what people did except for your kid. You also know that the centers are still in business (and printing list of where their kids got in) so most likely someone is buying the service.

Clearly some people are doing it but you’re kidding yourself if you think everyone who could afford it is or that’s the only route to top scores. It’s definitely not!

Agreed! Some kids do no prep and are 1 and done. They have the same scores as others who have massive coaching and multiple tests. Sometimes they are even siblings. The point is the test can be manipulated but, of course, all students who have top scores are not gaming the system, However, I believe any score that can be manipulated by $$$ should not be the primary gatekeeper for college admittance.

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Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence. They do measure how prepared for college a student is. I always laugh at people who make the distinction that they or their student “isn’t good at taking tests” but deserve special attention because they are really smart otherwise and tests are designed to not help rich, privileged people. Pathetic really.

Those tests were designed to predict college performance...but it turns out they don't do that well.

GPA is a better predictor. I guess you did not read the studies posted earlier.

But you keep thinking your opinions are fact if that works for you.

This is false, according to a recent study by UC Berkeley.

"In its 2020 report, the UC academic senate found that the SAT was better than high school GPA at predicting first year GPA, and just as good as high school GPA at predicting undergraduate GPA, first year retention, and graduation. This predictive validity was found to hold across demographic groups.[70] A series of College Board reports similar predictive validity across demographic groups."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Predictive_validity_and_powers

If high school GPA is just as good as the SAT at predicting undergrad GPA ... then that means all of the expense and stress of taking the SAT (prepping, agonizing, repeat testing, etc) is totally unnecessary. You do get that, right?

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Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence. They do measure how prepared for college a student is. I always laugh at people who make the distinction that they or their student “isn’t good at taking tests” but deserve special attention because they are really smart otherwise and tests are designed to not help rich, privileged people. Pathetic really.

Those tests were designed to predict college performance...but it turns out they don't do that well.

GPA is a better predictor. I guess you did not read the studies posted earlier.

But you keep thinking your opinions are fact if that works for you.

This is false, according to a recent study by UC Berkeley.

"In its 2020 report, the UC academic senate found that the SAT was better than high school GPA at predicting first year GPA, and just as good as high school GPA at predicting undergraduate GPA, first year retention, and graduation. This predictive validity was found to hold across demographic groups.[70] A series of College Board reports similar predictive validity across demographic groups."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Predictive_validity_and_powers

If high school GPA is just as good as the SAT at predicting undergrad GPA ... then that means all of the expense and stress of taking the SAT (prepping, agonizing, repeat testing, etc) is totally unnecessary. You do get that, right?

That doesn't work for the third of applicants with discrepant scores and GPA, one notably higher/lower than the other.