I hate test optional!

[Anonymous]

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Why are we subtracting for "hooks"? Why not just accept the smartest kids?

Because the traditional measures of college ready students (GPA, Rigor and Scores) are woefully low for URMs and would disqualify nearly all from admission. 15 years ago (latest study) there were less than 244 African Americans out of over 150k AAs that took the test, who scored 1500+ on the SAT. (Just 73 total in 2003) That is a problem for progressive schools that want to prove their commitment to diversity politically. Enter “holistic evaluations.” http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html The fact that they fail out and/or switch majors to less rigorous ones doesn’t matter. Many are over their head and would be more successful if they went to their “match” schools.

Wow. Just wow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many are over their head and would be more successful if they went to their “match” schools.

That part is a total lie and the graduation statistics prove it. You are a sad propagandist.

Agree. I have read that the issue many fail is lack of support (generally economic but also academic) and perceptions that they do not belong or fit in socially (which is why you want to bring in enough students of a particular race/ethnicity to help them have community and support).

By the way, I have also heard that Ivy League schools for the most part, are not harder to stay in. They are just harder to get into. The academics may be very similar to the “match” school (depending on what that is).

I had a professor at a “match” school who had previously taught at an Ivy. He said grading was harder at the “match” school. He said the assumption is that everyone at an Ivy is smart, so everyone deserves an “a” and it results in rampant grade inflation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why are we subtracting for "hooks"? Why not just accept the smartest kids?

Because the traditional measures of college ready students (GPA, Rigor and Scores) are woefully low for URMs and would disqualify nearly all from admission. 15 years ago (latest study) there were less than 244 African Americans out of over 150k AAs that took the test, who scored 1500+ on the SAT. (Just 73 total in 2003) That is a problem for progressive schools that want to prove their commitment to diversity politically. Enter “holistic evaluations.” http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html The fact that they fail out and/or switch majors to less rigorous ones doesn’t matter. Many are over their head and would be more successful if they went to their “match” schools.

These numbers cannot be right. Not possible with all the higher income and college educated African Americans in he system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why are we subtracting for "hooks"? Why not just accept the smartest kids?

Because the traditional measures of college ready students (GPA, Rigor and Scores) are woefully low for URMs and would disqualify nearly all from admission. 15 years ago (latest study) there were less than 244 African Americans out of over 150k AAs that took the test, who scored 1500+ on the SAT. (Just 73 total in 2003) That is a problem for progressive schools that want to prove their commitment to diversity politically. Enter “holistic evaluations.” http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html The fact that they fail out and/or switch majors to less rigorous ones doesn’t matter. Many are over their head and would be more successful if they went to their “match” schools.

These numbers cannot be right. Not possible with all the higher income and college educated African Americans in he system.

To add to this, the test changed twice since then. The current test, redesigned in 2016, is not comparable. College Board no longer releases the level of detail indicated by the above study. All we have is this: https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP— I do not feel bad for you or your child. You wreak of entitlement. Do you know how many kids have your “brilliant” child’s stats? A whole heck of a lot. Tons. And guess what, many of those kids didn’t pay someone to raise their scores like you did. And they worked harder than your kids to get straight A’s. You are clueless. Completely clueless if you think your kid is any more special than anyone else. Too bad for you. Go suck an egg.

Said by someone who clearly doesn’t have such a child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why are we subtracting for "hooks"? Why not just accept the smartest kids?

Because the traditional measures of college ready students (GPA, Rigor and Scores) are woefully low for URMs and would disqualify nearly all from admission. 15 years ago (latest study) there were less than 244 African Americans out of over 150k AAs that took the test, who scored 1500+ on the SAT. (Just 73 total in 2003) That is a problem for progressive schools that want to prove their commitment to diversity politically. Enter “holistic evaluations.” http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html The fact that they fail out and/or switch majors to less rigorous ones doesn’t matter. Many are over their head and would be more successful if they went to their “match” schools.

These numbers cannot be right. Not possible with all the higher income and college educated African Americans in he system.

To add to this, the test changed twice since then. The current test, redesigned in 2016, is not comparable. College Board no longer releases the level of detail indicated by the above study. All we have is this: https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

Nope. There are better numbers out there. I found them myself. Do the research at college board.