Elrich: We will have fewer activities open @ beginning of this summer than last summer

[Anonymous]

I just can't understand how people think our rights weren't taken away.

It's one thing to agree with it, and to willingly be a subject to the state. But to deny that you're rights were ever taken away is a whole different level.

Some of our most fundamental American liberties: the right to worship, and the right to assemble, were taken from us.

And as we come out of this, we all need to be VERY concerned about the precedent that has set.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just can't understand how people think our rights weren't taken away.

It's one thing to agree with it, and to willingly be a subject to the state. But to deny that you're rights were ever taken away is a whole different level.

Some of our most fundamental American liberties: the right to worship, and the right to assemble, were taken from us.

And as we come out of this, we all need to be VERY concerned about the precedent that has set.

You couldn’t worship?

You could.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Elrich - Missing the point that in a free society, the government should be least restrictive as possible, not the most. Rates are back to October and only headed downward with vaccines, but restrictions have not gone back to October levels.

Yes, but during a pandemic when individuals cannot take personal responsibility, we need the government to step in.

We obviously feel differently. But I think you're wrong. You may disagree with my risk threshold. But its still wrong to impose your risk threshold on me against my will

But then you are imposing your risk on other people.

In some ways, yes, every action anyone does may have an impact on anyone else in the community. Nothing we do happens in a vacuum.

But the difference between the two is that when I exercise my rights, you still have a choice in how you want to mitigate the risk and how you want to live according to your own personal risk threshold.

In the reverse, I have no choice, and your risk threshold is imposed on me.

There's a difference. If I was a saying 'yes, you must go to a gym. you must go to a restaurant. and you prohibited from wearing a mask', then that would be the opposite end of this spectrum.

DP. You don't even realize how self-centered your views are. You are rationalizing your less reponsible decisions by talking about risk mitigating - do you realize that the more risks YOU take, the more careful someone else has to be?
For example, if you insist on going somewhere without a mask, that means that the person who is higher-risk and takes things seriously won't be able to go out at all. Many people would just like to go for a masked walk in the park or go to their socially distant farmers market, but if you insist on going out unmasked and bringing your crowds stomping around everywhere and breathing all over the place, then you spoil it for the people who want to go out in public responsibly.

You dont need to wear a mask on a walk!! Jesus.

Pretty sure they are still required at farmers markets. Just go to one in a crunchy area (takoma park). I’ve literally not seen anyone without a mask at the SS/takoma park markets and imagine DC would not be all that different.

[Anonymous]

Will be interesting to see how Elrich plays this now that the state is pretty wide open. It’s one thing to move forward slower, it’s another to move backwards (which is how I read his comments).

[Anonymous]

This area has gone overboard with the Covid cult.
This is politics.
Make your own decision about how to protect your health and do it.

Personal responsibly is actually a good thing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just can't understand how people think our rights weren't taken away.

It's one thing to agree with it, and to willingly be a subject to the state. But to deny that you're rights were ever taken away is a whole different level.

Some of our most fundamental American liberties: the right to worship, and the right to assemble, were taken from us.

And as we come out of this, we all need to be VERY concerned about the precedent that has set.

You couldn’t worship?

You could.

Actually, churches are open in MoCo and many met outside.

[Anonymous]

Even in the earlier days of the pandemic. Stop exaggerating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just can't understand how people think our rights weren't taken away.

It's one thing to agree with it, and to willingly be a subject to the state. But to deny that you're rights were ever taken away is a whole different level.

Some of our most fundamental American liberties: the right to worship, and the right to assemble, were taken from us.

And as we come out of this, we all need to be VERY concerned about the precedent that has set.

You couldn’t worship?

You could.

For some religions communal celebration is fundamental. Private prayer is fine, but it is not the heart of the matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just can't understand how people think our rights weren't taken away.

It's one thing to agree with it, and to willingly be a subject to the state. But to deny that you're rights were ever taken away is a whole different level.

Some of our most fundamental American liberties: the right to worship, and the right to assemble, were taken from us.

And as we come out of this, we all need to be VERY concerned about the precedent that has set.

You couldn’t worship?

You could.

Actually, churches are open in MoCo and many met outside.

Very tight capacity limits. No singing, etc. You decide how you want to worship and the rest of us will decide how we want to worship. The government needs to stay out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just can't understand how people think our rights weren't taken away.

It's one thing to agree with it, and to willingly be a subject to the state. But to deny that you're rights were ever taken away is a whole different level.

Some of our most fundamental American liberties: the right to worship, and the right to assemble, were taken from us.

And as we come out of this, we all need to be VERY concerned about the precedent that has set.

You couldn’t worship?

You could.

For some religions communal celebration is fundamental. Private prayer is fine, but it is not the heart of the matter.

Find a new church, sounds like yours was too lazy to adapt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just can't understand how people think our rights weren't taken away.

It's one thing to agree with it, and to willingly be a subject to the state. But to deny that you're rights were ever taken away is a whole different level.

Some of our most fundamental American liberties: the right to worship, and the right to assemble, were taken from us.

And as we come out of this, we all need to be VERY concerned about the precedent that has set.

That's like saying that your freedom of speech is taken away because you're not allowed to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater just for funsies.

Freedoms have always been limited where they cause harm to other people. Your right to swing your arm ends where my face begins.

[Anonymous]

Freedoms have always been limited where they cause harm to other people. Your right to swing your arm ends where my face begins.

Well - that all depends upon what the other parts of your body are doing.

[Anonymous]

Bumping this up- has MoCo announced anything in regards to outdoor pools yet? Our community pool is dragging it's feet on summer opening and membership. Last year they let members put their membership on hold for a minimum fee and spent down their savings meant for maintenance and longer-term improvements. Didn't process any new members or offer an August membership to those on the waitlist, despite it being a ghost town all summer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just can't understand how people think our rights weren't taken away.

It's one thing to agree with it, and to willingly be a subject to the state. But to deny that you're rights were ever taken away is a whole different level.

Some of our most fundamental American liberties: the right to worship, and the right to assemble, were taken from us.

And as we come out of this, we all need to be VERY concerned about the precedent that has set.

You couldn’t worship?

You could.

Actually, churches are open in MoCo and many met outside.

Some churches were open for small allowed congregations in MoCo. No singing, no chanting. Restrictions on Communion/Sacrament. In some states, they weren't allowed to open at all, and in some places people were arrested attending outdoor services. Why don't you let the actual religious people who have been trying to worship during COVID make the statement, instead of telling them that they are wrong? Plus, telling people that churches are open now in MoCo, a year into the pandemic is pretty irrelevant. If you are religious and attend church, you know whether your church is open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just can't understand how people think our rights weren't taken away.

It's one thing to agree with it, and to willingly be a subject to the state. But to deny that you're rights were ever taken away is a whole different level.

Some of our most fundamental American liberties: the right to worship, and the right to assemble, were taken from us.

And as we come out of this, we all need to be VERY concerned about the precedent that has set.

That's like saying that your freedom of speech is taken away because you're not allowed to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater just for funsies.

Freedoms have always been limited where they cause harm to other people. Your right to swing your arm ends where my face begins.

This falls under strict scrutiny and there needs to be a really powerful reason to restrict a freedom protected by the Constitution (and actual scientific evidence). Some County Executive doesn't just get to decide that my freedom is inconvenient to the larger community and take it away.