Do you think there will be any in-person learning this spring?

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Anonymous wrote:Not if MCEA has any say in it. You can already tell from some of the posts here and on PAGES that they're planning to fight a return in the fall.

What is PAGES?

A private Facebook group by radical leftists that are now devoting their attention to keeping schools indefinitely.

TogetherAgainMCPS much? 🤣

I can't but notice you didn't say I was wrong about any of that.

Suuure... let me try and banter with your hyperbole. As a working parent, shutting down schools is totally something I’d love to see happen and my schedule could totally absorb. #sarcasm

I look forward to a responsible return to school for my kids, but have no interest in taking that guidance from folks unwilling to implement even the most basic of restrictions. Want to get kids back to school? Manage the spread in the community: mask mandates (not a polite ‘please’), continued restrictions on indoor dining/bars/religious services, aggressive vaccination program (pay people to get over themselves),...

There are no safe people... only safe behavior.

Have you been paying attention to what's going on in MoCo? Because with the exception of closing indoor dining (which Elrich and Gayles have prioritized above schools), we've been doing that. We've had one the strictest mask mandates, we finally have restrictions on gatherings and businesses, we're making sure everyone can get tests and vaccines for free, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:At my middle school at least, it would be two days in person and two at home. But everyone on a screen anyway. No group work around a single table.

Same at high school. No hands on projects, no group work. Basically just a chrome book or a worksheet at your desk.

Lectures and independent work may look much the same but whatever else may happen, group discussions are more effective in person than via zoom.

Not when the group is spaced 3-6 feet apart. Some members in groups will likely need to be in DL.

This is clearly written by someone that doesn't have a job that includes videoconferences.

Being spread out is fine for discussions. And yes, the discussion go much, much better in-person. People are generally much more engaged.

If kids had camera's on and participated it would work fine.

Safety means kids spaced out 6-10 feet, not 3.

There's nothing special about 3 vs. 6 vs. 10.

The 6 foot rule-of-thumb was derived from how far droplets travel without masks. We've been applying them more broadly because we didn't really know what else to to. But it would be wrong to assume 6-10ft is ok but 3ft is not OK. The reality is much more nuanced than that.

The recommendation has varied depending on the time. The latest study said 6 feet wasn't enough. All masks vary in quality. If its just a thin cotton or gator, its pretty useless.

Citation?

There's not going to be a clear cut-off between safe and not-safe. Droplets usually only travel so far, unless you get unlucky with the right breeze. Some particles will aerosolize. But you're trying to manage risk, not get to zero-risk. If you're trying to be realistic, at least.

I want no risk. We aren't taking any risks so why should we catch it from those behaving poorly. Google is your friend. Lots of information on masks and distance. You clearly pick and choose. Masks help. Distance helps.

No risk? Do you travel by car or bus? Do you swim or take your kids by water? Do you go to the playground? Are their knives in your house? Do you cut vegetables? Do you mop the floor? Do you move or run at home or outside? Do you eat food? Bicycle? Do your kids climb? You realize there is no such thing as zero risk. Absolutely not. You take risks every time you step out of bed.

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Anonymous wrote:Not if MCEA has any say in it. You can already tell from some of the posts here and on PAGES that they're planning to fight a return in the fall.

What is PAGES?

A private Facebook group by radical leftists that are now devoting their attention to keeping schools indefinitely.

TogetherAgainMCPS much? 🤣

There is NOTHING radical left about keeping schools indefinitely closed. In fact that type of “let them eat cake” attitude is decidedly right wing.

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Anonymous wrote:At my middle school at least, it would be two days in person and two at home. But everyone on a screen anyway. No group work around a single table.

Same at high school. No hands on projects, no group work. Basically just a chrome book or a worksheet at your desk.

Lectures and independent work may look much the same but whatever else may happen, group discussions are more effective in person than via zoom.

Not when the group is spaced 3-6 feet apart. Some members in groups will likely need to be in DL.

This is clearly written by someone that doesn't have a job that includes videoconferences.

Being spread out is fine for discussions. And yes, the discussion go much, much better in-person. People are generally much more engaged.

If kids had camera's on and participated it would work fine.

Safety means kids spaced out 6-10 feet, not 3.

There's nothing special about 3 vs. 6 vs. 10.

The 6 foot rule-of-thumb was derived from how far droplets travel without masks. We've been applying them more broadly because we didn't really know what else to to. But it would be wrong to assume 6-10ft is ok but 3ft is not OK. The reality is much more nuanced than that.

The recommendation has varied depending on the time. The latest study said 6 feet wasn't enough. All masks vary in quality. If its just a thin cotton or gator, its pretty useless.

Citation?

There's not going to be a clear cut-off between safe and not-safe. Droplets usually only travel so far, unless you get unlucky with the right breeze. Some particles will aerosolize. But you're trying to manage risk, not get to zero-risk. If you're trying to be realistic, at least.

I want no risk. We aren't taking any risks so why should we catch it from those behaving poorly. Google is your friend. Lots of information on masks and distance. You clearly pick and choose. Masks help. Distance helps.

I don't think you understand what "no risk" means.

I understand what no risk means. I also understand what having long term health issues and death means to me and my family.

Then you can continue with DL while it's available. What is the problem? You're not forced to choose in-person.

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Have you been paying attention to what's going on in MoCo? Because with the exception of closing indoor dining (which Elrich and Gayles have prioritized above schools), we've been doing that. We've had one the strictest mask mandates, we finally have restrictions on gatherings and businesses, we're making sure everyone can get tests and vaccines for free, etc.

I’m a MoCo resident, yet nearly every time I’m out to get groceries there’s always someone without a mask or a mask the isn’t covering their nose. You’re right in the MoCo has lots of good suggestions in place, but for some inexplicable reason COVID doesn’t seem to magically stop at the MoCo border.

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Anonymous wrote:At my middle school at least, it would be two days in person and two at home. But everyone on a screen anyway. No group work around a single table.

Same at high school. No hands on projects, no group work. Basically just a chrome book or a worksheet at your desk.

You’ve heard this directly from your schools? I haven’t heard about any in person plans from our middle school.

I’m the MS teacher above. I asked directly because early MP 3 includes a unit project that we have always done in groups. I have to arrange some parts of it about a month in advance to make sure it runs smoothly from the start. I figured that I should pad the prep time a bit because everything moves slower these days. I asked and the response was what I posted.

This is what we are hearing too. It will basically be babysitting with DL.

My admin’s exact words!

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Have you been paying attention to what's going on in MoCo? Because with the exception of closing indoor dining (which Elrich and Gayles have prioritized above schools), we've been doing that. We've had one the strictest mask mandates, we finally have restrictions on gatherings and businesses, we're making sure everyone can get tests and vaccines for free, etc.

I’m a MoCo resident, yet nearly every time I’m out to get groceries there’s always someone without a mask or a mask the isn’t covering their nose. You’re right in the MoCo has lots of good suggestions in place, but for some inexplicable reason COVID doesn’t seem to magically stop at the MoCo border.

Where do you live?

I've honestly never seen an adult not wear a mask in stores, and I've been going to Target/grocery store/Home Depot regularly throughout the pandemic. I'm sure there are exceptions, but people in MoCo seem quite good about wearing masks when it matters.

You're not one of those people that gasps as the sight of an unmasked person outside who is physically distant from others, are you?

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Anonymous wrote:Not if MCEA has any say in it. You can already tell from some of the posts here and on PAGES that they're planning to fight a return in the fall.

What is PAGES?

A private Facebook group by radical leftists that are now devoting their attention to keeping schools indefinitely.

TogetherAgainMCPS much? 🤣

There is NOTHING radical left about keeping schools indefinitely closed. In fact that type of “let them eat cake” attitude is decidedly right wing.

I'm not saying the position on schools is a radical left position. I'm saying the group's leaders are very left-wing advocates on a host of issues.

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Have you been paying attention to what's going on in MoCo? Because with the exception of closing indoor dining (which Elrich and Gayles have prioritized above schools), we've been doing that. We've had one the strictest mask mandates, we finally have restrictions on gatherings and businesses, we're making sure everyone can get tests and vaccines for free, etc.

I’m a MoCo resident, yet nearly every time I’m out to get groceries there’s always someone without a mask or a mask the isn’t covering their nose. You’re right in the MoCo has lots of good suggestions in place, but for some inexplicable reason COVID doesn’t seem to magically stop at the MoCo border.

Where do you live?

I've honestly never seen an adult not wear a mask in stores, and I've been going to Target/grocery store/Home Depot regularly throughout the pandemic. I'm sure there are exceptions, but people in MoCo seem quite good about wearing masks when it matters.

You're not one of those people that gasps as the sight of an unmasked person outside who is physically distant from others, are you?

DP. Yeah, everyone is wearing a mask in stores. Unfortunately not everyone wearing a mask in stores is covering their mouth and nose with their mask.

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I'm not saying the position on schools is a radical left position. I'm saying the group's leaders are very left-wing advocates on a host of issues.

OK, I need to know more about this host of issues that the group's leaders are advocating very left-wing things about. Do tell, please.

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Anonymous wrote:Citation?

There's not going to be a clear cut-off between safe and not-safe. Droplets usually only travel so far, unless you get unlucky with the right breeze. Some particles will aerosolize. But you're trying to manage risk, not get to zero-risk. If you're trying to be realistic, at least.

It's pretty clear it's not just droplets. Aerosols count, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Citation?

There's not going to be a clear cut-off between safe and not-safe. Droplets usually only travel so far, unless you get unlucky with the right breeze. Some particles will aerosolize. But you're trying to manage risk, not get to zero-risk. If you're trying to be realistic, at least.

It's pretty clear it's not just droplets. Aerosols count, too.

They do, but the risk isn't the same.

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Have you been paying attention to what's going on in MoCo? Because with the exception of closing indoor dining (which Elrich and Gayles have prioritized above schools), we've been doing that. We've had one the strictest mask mandates, we finally have restrictions on gatherings and businesses, we're making sure everyone can get tests and vaccines for free, etc.

I’m a MoCo resident, yet nearly every time I’m out to get groceries there’s always someone without a mask or a mask the isn’t covering their nose. You’re right in the MoCo has lots of good suggestions in place, but for some inexplicable reason COVID doesn’t seem to magically stop at the MoCo border.

Where do you live?

I've honestly never seen an adult not wear a mask in stores, and I've been going to Target/grocery store/Home Depot regularly throughout the pandemic. I'm sure there are exceptions, but people in MoCo seem quite good about wearing masks when it matters.

You're not one of those people that gasps as the sight of an unmasked person outside who is physically distant from others, are you?

DP. Yeah, everyone is wearing a mask in stores. Unfortunately not everyone wearing a mask in stores is covering their mouth and nose with their mask.

THIS!

They have the mask on correctly when they enter, but then in a couple minutes, it slips off the nose. And then, they pull it below their chin to make a phone call.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear it's not just droplets. Aerosols count, too.

They do, but the risk isn't the same.

Do tell...

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Anonymous wrote:At my middle school at least, it would be two days in person and two at home. But everyone on a screen anyway. No group work around a single table.

Same at high school. No hands on projects, no group work. Basically just a chrome book or a worksheet at your desk.

Lectures and independent work may look much the same but whatever else may happen, group discussions are more effective in person than via zoom.

Not when the group is spaced 3-6 feet apart. Some members in groups will likely need to be in DL.

This is clearly written by someone that doesn't have a job that includes videoconferences.

Being spread out is fine for discussions. And yes, the discussion go much, much better in-person. People are generally much more engaged.

If kids had camera's on and participated it would work fine.

Safety means kids spaced out 6-10 feet, not 3.

There's nothing special about 3 vs. 6 vs. 10.

The 6 foot rule-of-thumb was derived from how far droplets travel without masks. We've been applying them more broadly because we didn't really know what else to to. But it would be wrong to assume 6-10ft is ok but 3ft is not OK. The reality is much more nuanced than that.

The recommendation has varied depending on the time. The latest study said 6 feet wasn't enough. All masks vary in quality. If its just a thin cotton or gator, its pretty useless.

Citation?

There's not going to be a clear cut-off between safe and not-safe. Droplets usually only travel so far, unless you get unlucky with the right breeze. Some particles will aerosolize. But you're trying to manage risk, not get to zero-risk. If you're trying to be realistic, at least.

I want no risk. We aren't taking any risks so why should we catch it from those behaving poorly. Google is your friend. Lots of information on masks and distance. You clearly pick and choose. Masks help. Distance helps.

And that is crazy. No such thing as zero risk. For anything.

Sadly, I know people who agree with this PP in real life, and that is why I am convinced that MCPS schools will not open even in Fall 2021.

In reality, PP can continue on with DL. But, PP isn’t happy with that. He/she wants schools closed until there is ‘no risk’. Which is not possible.