If you use Uber Eats/DoorDash/GrubHub/other similiar apps, PLEASE try to tip and well, if possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Tipping implies a service done above and beyond expectations, not simply done. As for people complaining that servers don’t make enough, well take it up with their employer. I will support a living wage for employees no problem and tip for outstanding service. I won’t simply tip in order that an employer can continue to abrogate his/her responsibility to the employee.

Don't go eat in the restaurant or order from these types of services then.

No, that’s not right. The company offers a service and quotes a price for it. You choose to work fir that company and so are part of the service provided. If the customer chooses to tip you, that is his decision. It’s when you feel entitled to a tip, or make statements like “if you can’t tip me you don’t deserve to eat here” that you begin to go wrong. You should instead be telling the company “if you can’t pay me a living wage, you don’t deserve to have me as an employee”. By not valuing yourself, you’re only enabling predation by these companies. Drivers have started to confront these companies in the past few years which is why things are now better than they used to be.

The irony. By continuing to eat in a restaurant and not tip the waitstaff, you're still helping the owners but stiffing the waiter. YOU are part of the problem of the exploitation too then.

If you’d rather defend your employer instead of standing up to him or walking away, then you’re just passing the exploitation on to the customer. Why would you do that and expect to be defended? As I’ve said, you have plenty of choices. Also 16-25 doesn’t appear to be an exploitative wage, but I guess it varies from city to city.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what was the average tip you got in this area?

OP here. It's hard for me to put it in average tip terms but on a typical Friday/Saturday night, from say 6p-11p, pay can range between $80-$130 for me. These two nights are obviously when people order most often, and tend to tip more as they're getting food for the household vs during breakfast or lunch, oftentimes it's a meal for one, so lots of small to zero tips. I do set aside 20% as I know I'll owe during tax time as an independent contractor but no surprise there when doing this type of work.

I’m a low paid essential worker and that’s more than I make in an evening babysitting, so I’m cool with not tipping. I’m already paying for the service. Since you do so well in tips, you will be fine without money from me.

Do you also not tip your hairdresser, since she probably makes more than you as well? If you’re as poor as you claim, you have no business ordering food. Cook your own meals, or go pick them up, you cheap scum.

I tip my hair stylist because that’s an industry where tips are expected. I started using Uber back in the day because of the no tips policy and now they want tips? Everyone has their cup out looking for a handout and if you want to be the one to tip them go ahead. I’m not tipping someone for picking up food! I’m an essential worker and no one tips me. If you don’t like it, get a different job. If tipping was required it wouldn’t be optional.

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I get a $15/month credit with my amex towards Uber and I we eats. It’s a way of getting back my annual fee, so I have to order Uber eats. I’m not tipping on that!

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*towards Uber and Uber eats

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Anonymous wrote:I've stopped ordering delivery because of all the exorbitant delivery fees, surcharges and tips. It's no longer worth it to me.

Yep this is why I never did it. Groceries either. I like a good deal, not a bad one.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what was the average tip you got in this area?

OP here. It's hard for me to put it in average tip terms but on a typical Friday/Saturday night, from say 6p-11p, pay can range between $80-$130 for me. These two nights are obviously when people order most often, and tend to tip more as they're getting food for the household vs during breakfast or lunch, oftentimes it's a meal for one, so lots of small to zero tips. I do set aside 20% as I know I'll owe during tax time as an independent contractor but no surprise there when doing this type of work.

I’m a low paid essential worker and that’s more than I make in an evening babysitting, so I’m cool with not tipping. I’m already paying for the service. Since you do so well in tips, you will be fine without money from me.

Do you also not tip your hairdresser, since she probably makes more than you as well? If you’re as poor as you claim, you have no business ordering food. Cook your own meals, or go pick them up, you cheap scum.

I tip my hair stylist because that’s an industry where tips are expected. I started using Uber back in the day because of the no tips policy and now they want tips? Everyone has their cup out looking for a handout and if you want to be the one to tip them go ahead. I’m not tipping someone for picking up food! I’m an essential worker and no one tips me. If you don’t like it, get a different job. If tipping was required it wouldn’t be optional.

Wow, you don’t tip at all?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what was the average tip you got in this area?

OP here. It's hard for me to put it in average tip terms but on a typical Friday/Saturday night, from say 6p-11p, pay can range between $80-$130 for me. These two nights are obviously when people order most often, and tend to tip more as they're getting food for the household vs during breakfast or lunch, oftentimes it's a meal for one, so lots of small to zero tips. I do set aside 20% as I know I'll owe during tax time as an independent contractor but no surprise there when doing this type of work.

I’m a low paid essential worker and that’s more than I make in an evening babysitting, so I’m cool with not tipping. I’m already paying for the service. Since you do so well in tips, you will be fine without money from me.

Do you also not tip your hairdresser, since she probably makes more than you as well? If you’re as poor as you claim, you have no business ordering food. Cook your own meals, or go pick them up, you cheap scum.

I tip my hair stylist because that’s an industry where tips are expected. I started using Uber back in the day because of the no tips policy and now they want tips? Everyone has their cup out looking for a handout and if you want to be the one to tip them go ahead. I’m not tipping someone for picking up food! I’m an essential worker and no one tips me. If you don’t like it, get a different job. If tipping was required it wouldn’t be optional.

Wow, you don’t tip at all?

Do you tip your essential worker?

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Anonymous wrote:I hear you, OP. But those services are expensive. It’s not worth it to me to pay more for them. So I will just quit using them. The choices are either I use them one per month or less and tip as I currently do or quit using them. I’m not willing to pay more. I will forgo the service rather than pay more, in other words.

Good call. If more people do this, it might incentivize the companies to treat their workers better.

This is the only ethical answer. Tip or don't use the service.

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+3 The same as not going to a restaurant to be served or to a hairdresser if you can't afford it.

Here’s a tip for you - if they don’t pay enough to work there without relying on the largesse of their customers, don’t work there - it isn’t necessary.

And here’s a tip for you—if you patronize establishments that underpay or don’t pay their staff, you are complicit in their exploitation.

I don’t patronize them, but I’m not going to watch shills from those organizations bully and extort customers who don’t have too many choices, just so they can pay their CEOs fat paychecks

Shills? Shills would imply people that work for the company. Ubereats delivery people are not employees, they are “independent contractors“, who also don’t have too many choices. The OP is not making money for UE when she implores you to be generous if and when you can.

If you want to punish the company, call them and tell them you’re not going to use their app anymore, and explain why. Continuing to order and not tip simply places the burden on the delivery person while doing nothing to address your beef.

By the way, you can always cook your own damn meals, you lazy wretch. That’s a real choice that you have!

If you’re the poster who’s been criticizing a mom for having too many children, you have quite a nerve calling other people lazy. If your pay bothers you, you have a choice - go work for someone else

I made no comments about the mother with 5 kids, and I’m a highly paid white collar professional. Do you really think that the only people who care about these issue are the ones who are directly affected? It’s called empathy—try it sometime!

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This entire thread speaks to why more restaurants and services need to just build tip into prices and pay staff a living wage.

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Anonymous wrote:Tipping implies a service done above and beyond expectations, not simply done. As for people complaining that servers don’t make enough, well take it up with their employer. I will support a living wage for employees no problem and tip for outstanding service. I won’t simply tip in order that an employer can continue to abrogate his/her responsibility to the employee.

Don't go eat in the restaurant or order from these types of services then.

No, that’s not right. The company offers a service and quotes a price for it. You choose to work fir that company and so are part of the service provided. If the customer chooses to tip you, that is his decision. It’s when you feel entitled to a tip, or make statements like “if you can’t tip me you don’t deserve to eat here” that you begin to go wrong. You should instead be telling the company “if you can’t pay me a living wage, you don’t deserve to have me as an employee”. By not valuing yourself, you’re only enabling predation by these companies. Drivers have started to confront these companies in the past few years which is why things are now better than they used to be.

The irony. By continuing to eat in a restaurant and not tip the waitstaff, you're still helping the owners but stiffing the waiter. YOU are part of the problem of the exploitation too then.

If you’d rather defend your employer instead of standing up to him or walking away, then you’re just passing the exploitation on to the customer. Why would you do that and expect to be defended? As I’ve said, you have plenty of choices. Also 16-25 doesn’t appear to be an exploitative wage, but I guess it varies from city to city.

In this situation, it’s the employer and the customer who have the power, not the underpaid “independent contractor”. I can’t believe that somehow you’ve twisted this so that the customer is now the exploited one. Someone who is working as a delivery driver doesn’t have lots of options, otherwise they wouldn’t work this crappily paid job with no health insurance. YOU have plenty of choices, if you have the money to laze about the house while other people cook and deliver your food. But you’re choosing to be a cheap shill (that was your word, I believe) for late stage capitalism. Not a great look.

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It not my job to supplement Uber drivers salaries. If tips were mandatory they would be in the fees. If optional, so I choose the option not to tip. I only tip at salons and in restaurants.

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Anonymous wrote:Tipping implies a service done above and beyond expectations, not simply done. As for people complaining that servers don’t make enough, well take it up with their employer. I will support a living wage for employees no problem and tip for outstanding service. I won’t simply tip in order that an employer can continue to abrogate his/her responsibility to the employee.

Don't go eat in the restaurant or order from these types of services then.

No, that’s not right. The company offers a service and quotes a price for it. You choose to work fir that company and so are part of the service provided. If the customer chooses to tip you, that is his decision. It’s when you feel entitled to a tip, or make statements like “if you can’t tip me you don’t deserve to eat here” that you begin to go wrong. You should instead be telling the company “if you can’t pay me a living wage, you don’t deserve to have me as an employee”. By not valuing yourself, you’re only enabling predation by these companies. Drivers have started to confront these companies in the past few years which is why things are now better than they used to be.

The irony. By continuing to eat in a restaurant and not tip the waitstaff, you're still helping the owners but stiffing the waiter. YOU are part of the problem of the exploitation too then.

If you’d rather defend your employer instead of standing up to him or walking away, then you’re just passing the exploitation on to the customer. Why would you do that and expect to be defended? As I’ve said, you have plenty of choices. Also 16-25 doesn’t appear to be an exploitative wage, but I guess it varies from city to city.

In this situation, it’s the employer and the customer who have the power, not the underpaid “independent contractor”. I can’t believe that somehow you’ve twisted this so that the customer is now the exploited one. Someone who is working as a delivery driver doesn’t have lots of options, otherwise they wouldn’t work this crappily paid job with no health insurance. YOU have plenty of choices, if you have the money to laze about the house while other people cook and deliver your food. But you’re choosing to be a cheap shill (that was your word, I believe) for late stage capitalism. Not a great look.

It's actually exactly the other way around. Tipping practices hurt the economy, and hurt the server as well as small (non-chain) restaurants - there's been a great deal of research on this. It's also extremely un-american in its origins - 17th century England. For much of the history of the United States, tipping was considered inconsistent with democratic principles and discouraged. In fact, several states passed laws outlawing tipping.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/08/15/why-americas-tipping-culture-is-actually-bad-for-restaurants/#70f854f213d1
https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1267&context=jbl

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tipping implies a service done above and beyond expectations, not simply done. As for people complaining that servers don’t make enough, well take it up with their employer. I will support a living wage for employees no problem and tip for outstanding service. I won’t simply tip in order that an employer can continue to abrogate his/her responsibility to the employee.

Don't go eat in the restaurant or order from these types of services then.

No, that’s not right. The company offers a service and quotes a price for it. You choose to work fir that company and so are part of the service provided. If the customer chooses to tip you, that is his decision. It’s when you feel entitled to a tip, or make statements like “if you can’t tip me you don’t deserve to eat here” that you begin to go wrong. You should instead be telling the company “if you can’t pay me a living wage, you don’t deserve to have me as an employee”. By not valuing yourself, you’re only enabling predation by these companies. Drivers have started to confront these companies in the past few years which is why things are now better than they used to be.

The irony. By continuing to eat in a restaurant and not tip the waitstaff, you're still helping the owners but stiffing the waiter. YOU are part of the problem of the exploitation too then.

If you’d rather defend your employer instead of standing up to him or walking away, then you’re just passing the exploitation on to the customer. Why would you do that and expect to be defended? As I’ve said, you have plenty of choices. Also 16-25 doesn’t appear to be an exploitative wage, but I guess it varies from city to city.

In this situation, it’s the employer and the customer who have the power, not the underpaid “independent contractor”. I can’t believe that somehow you’ve twisted this so that the customer is now the exploited one. Someone who is working as a delivery driver doesn’t have lots of options, otherwise they wouldn’t work this crappily paid job with no health insurance. YOU have plenty of choices, if you have the money to laze about the house while other people cook and deliver your food. But you’re choosing to be a cheap shill (that was your word, I believe) for late stage capitalism. Not a great look.

It's actually exactly the other way around. Tipping practices hurt the economy, and hurt the server as well as small (non-chain) restaurants - there's been a great deal of research on this. It's also extremely un-american in its origins - 17th century England. For much of the history of the United States, tipping was considered inconsistent with democratic principles and discouraged. In fact, several states passed laws outlawing tipping.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/08/15/why-americas-tipping-culture-is-actually-bad-for-restaurants/#70f854f213d1
https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1267&context=jbl

So I assume you’re calling your Congress member to advocate for doing away with tipping and the payment of livable wages for all service workers? If not, if all you’re doing is not tipping in a system that’s predicated on tipping for service workers to earn a livable wage, you’re full of shit, and a cheap bastard, not some defender of the rights of service workers.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tipping implies a service done above and beyond expectations, not simply done. As for people complaining that servers don’t make enough, well take it up with their employer. I will support a living wage for employees no problem and tip for outstanding service. I won’t simply tip in order that an employer can continue to abrogate his/her responsibility to the employee.

Don't go eat in the restaurant or order from these types of services then.

No, that’s not right. The company offers a service and quotes a price for it. You choose to work fir that company and so are part of the service provided. If the customer chooses to tip you, that is his decision. It’s when you feel entitled to a tip, or make statements like “if you can’t tip me you don’t deserve to eat here” that you begin to go wrong. You should instead be telling the company “if you can’t pay me a living wage, you don’t deserve to have me as an employee”. By not valuing yourself, you’re only enabling predation by these companies. Drivers have started to confront these companies in the past few years which is why things are now better than they used to be.

The irony. By continuing to eat in a restaurant and not tip the waitstaff, you're still helping the owners but stiffing the waiter. YOU are part of the problem of the exploitation too then.

If you’d rather defend your employer instead of standing up to him or walking away, then you’re just passing the exploitation on to the customer. Why would you do that and expect to be defended? As I’ve said, you have plenty of choices. Also 16-25 doesn’t appear to be an exploitative wage, but I guess it varies from city to city.

In this situation, it’s the employer and the customer who have the power, not the underpaid “independent contractor”. I can’t believe that somehow you’ve twisted this so that the customer is now the exploited one. Someone who is working as a delivery driver doesn’t have lots of options, otherwise they wouldn’t work this crappily paid job with no health insurance. YOU have plenty of choices, if you have the money to laze about the house while other people cook and deliver your food. But you’re choosing to be a cheap shill (that was your word, I believe) for late stage capitalism. Not a great look.

It's actually exactly the other way around. Tipping practices hurt the economy, and hurt the server as well as small (non-chain) restaurants - there's been a great deal of research on this. It's also extremely un-american in its origins - 17th century England. For much of the history of the United States, tipping was considered inconsistent with democratic principles and discouraged. In fact, several states passed laws outlawing tipping.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/08/15/why-americas-tipping-culture-is-actually-bad-for-restaurants/#70f854f213d1
https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1267&context=jbl

So I assume you’re calling your Congress member to advocate for doing away with tipping and the payment of livable wages for all service workers? If not, if all you’re doing is not tipping in a system that’s predicated on tipping for service workers to earn a livable wage, you’re full of shit, and a cheap bastard, not some defender of the rights of service workers.

As a matter of fact, yes. Tipping has heinous roots in slavery, it is inherently condescending and classist https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/
I try to support anti-tipping establishments as much as possible (and there are a growing number of them). I still tip if I am, for example, on the road, and need to eat at a place where I know the servers are being paid 2/hr, but I don't understand this sense of entitlement that delivery drivers have. People will tip you if they wish to, but if you feel the need to extort and bully people into tips then surely you see that you're in the wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Tipping implies a service done above and beyond expectations, not simply done. As for people complaining that servers don’t make enough, well take it up with their employer. I will support a living wage for employees no problem and tip for outstanding service. I won’t simply tip in order that an employer can continue to abrogate his/her responsibility to the employee.

Don't go eat in the restaurant or order from these types of services then.

No, that’s not right. The company offers a service and quotes a price for it. You choose to work fir that company and so are part of the service provided. If the customer chooses to tip you, that is his decision. It’s when you feel entitled to a tip, or make statements like “if you can’t tip me you don’t deserve to eat here” that you begin to go wrong. You should instead be telling the company “if you can’t pay me a living wage, you don’t deserve to have me as an employee”. By not valuing yourself, you’re only enabling predation by these companies. Drivers have started to confront these companies in the past few years which is why things are now better than they used to be.

The irony. By continuing to eat in a restaurant and not tip the waitstaff, you're still helping the owners but stiffing the waiter. YOU are part of the problem of the exploitation too then.

If you’d rather defend your employer instead of standing up to him or walking away, then you’re just passing the exploitation on to the customer. Why would you do that and expect to be defended? As I’ve said, you have plenty of choices. Also 16-25 doesn’t appear to be an exploitative wage, but I guess it varies from city to city.

In this situation, it’s the employer and the customer who have the power, not the underpaid “independent contractor”. I can’t believe that somehow you’ve twisted this so that the customer is now the exploited one. Someone who is working as a delivery driver doesn’t have lots of options, otherwise they wouldn’t work this crappily paid job with no health insurance. YOU have plenty of choices, if you have the money to laze about the house while other people cook and deliver your food. But you’re choosing to be a cheap shill (that was your word, I believe) for late stage capitalism. Not a great look.

It's actually exactly the other way around. Tipping practices hurt the economy, and hurt the server as well as small (non-chain) restaurants - there's been a great deal of research on this. It's also extremely un-american in its origins - 17th century England. For much of the history of the United States, tipping was considered inconsistent with democratic principles and discouraged. In fact, several states passed laws outlawing tipping.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/08/15/why-americas-tipping-culture-is-actually-bad-for-restaurants/#70f854f213d1
https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1267&context=jbl

So I assume you’re calling your Congress member to advocate for doing away with tipping and the payment of livable wages for all service workers? If not, if all you’re doing is not tipping in a system that’s predicated on tipping for service workers to earn a livable wage, you’re full of shit, and a cheap bastard, not some defender of the rights of service workers.

+1.