I hope my kids and I get Covid this summer so we can be done with it before fall. Anyone else?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't "hope" to get it, but I also am no longer worried about it.

Same.

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Anonymous wrote:my grandfather in law is in his mid 80's terrible health, dementia, can barely walk. they tested his whole nursing home and he tested positive. NO SYMPTOMS! Nothing. he's still his normal semi-vegetative self.
I suspect because they've been strict about mask wearing at his home, he got a very small viral load. Something to think about! Masks "work"!

I feel like if there were no news panic about COVID, we would just continues with our normal lives and treat it as seasonal cold virus or flu. I am sure a lot of the people who are so afraid to get it already had it and didn't even noticed.

To answer OP question, I am not purposely seeking it, but I am not avoiding it. I am taking regular precautions like during the flu season, but not much more (and no, we dont' wear masks). If I get it now, it would be great. I will develop immunity while I am younger and healthier.

Except I have friends who’ve gotten it and it has been miserable. Weeks of fever (5 weeks for one with no end in sight), breathing problems, and kids who are still sick and irritable a month later. Also, one had a brother in law die of it while they were sick themselves. All healthy skinny people in their 40s. For all the light/asymptomatic cases it still seems like it can be really sucky, even if you are never hospitalized.

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Be careful what you wish for and especially your kids. There are two brothers, 16 & 14, who are both in the PICU at a local hospital. The 16 year old has no underlying conditions and was the first to get COVID....has been in the hospital for 6 weeks. He has been on a vent for the majority of that time, ECMO ( if you don’t know what that is, look it up- pretty serious stuff and kidney dialysis. At times they weren’t sure he’d make it. They removed the ventilator and now has a trach.

His younger brother does have underlying respiratory issues, he’s still on the vent, ECMO, has a rash all over his body, high fever and still struggling. He’s been in the hospital for a month.

The physicians said they’d both be in the hospital for at least another month, if not longer. Not to mention the long term issues.

The virus is real. I went to high school with someone who died from it. Sure, you could go with the odds of getting as sick as the people mentioned above are slim, but you don’t know where you or your kids fall in those odds. I’m not saying don’t live your life, I’m just saying I’d NEVER wish that my kids would get this. You’re kids could easily be one of the kids above. And remember, one was a healthy 16 year old with no pre-existing conditions.

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Anonymous wrote:No, and here's why:

--The 1-3% chance of death.
--The high chance the suffering (feeling like you can't breath and taking months to recover).
--The moderate (1/8) chance of hospitalization. I don't want to put myself, my family, or even my coworkers though that. Plus it's $$$.
--The almost certain chance that I will spread it to someone, and that will lead to the death and suffering of many more people and their families.

You're basically lighting a match and walking away by not making your best effort to contain this thing. What your "best effort" is not going to be the same for everyone. But it's certainly not hoping you get it.

Citation?

Don'y you guys read the news? https://www.barrons.com/articles/u-s-coronavirus-hospitalizations-approach-30-here-are-the-latest-covid-19-data-51586175360

It's May 29 and you're citing an article from April 6?

Because I don't feel like sitting here writing a research paper for you. Just Google it. There are literally thousands of articles citing these statistics. Look up your age. And figure it out. I'm 45.

CDC's "Best guess" scenario for age 0-49 symptomatic cases is 1.7% with a range from 1.3%-2.6%. That's a serious level of risk for hospitalization, but not anywhere near 12.5% (1 in 8).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Yeah but you also need to factor in that among those 1.7%, the vast majority have preexisting medical conditions. The last figure I saw cited for this was around 90%. So if you're not obese and have no health problems, your risk of being hospitalized is actually much lower than 1.7%.

The CDC put out some really bad information, in my opinion. I don’t know where they’re getting it, by I have obsessively researched this since the Wuhan days, and their best guess scenarios make no sense to me. Especially for hospitalizations. I’m using the data I’ve read from all other corners of the universe to base my behaviors. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone.

Well since I have an underlying condition the argument that it’s only people who have underlying conditions doesn’t really make me feel better. But thanks! And FYI the majority of adult Americans have an underlying condition that is listed as a risk factor.

Probably many of the people with underlying conditions who died were in nursing homes and knocking on deaths door.

A study showed that even for people with underlying conditions or in nursing homes, COVID shortened their lives by 10 years. That is what finally moved my dad to stop poo-pooing it.

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Anonymous wrote:No, and here's why:

--The 1-3% chance of death.
--The high chance the suffering (feeling like you can't breath and taking months to recover).
--The moderate (1/8) chance of hospitalization. I don't want to put myself, my family, or even my coworkers though that. Plus it's $$$.
--The almost certain chance that I will spread it to someone, and that will lead to the death and suffering of many more people and their families.

You're basically lighting a match and walking away by not making your best effort to contain this thing. What your "best effort" is not going to be the same for everyone. But it's certainly not hoping you get it.

Citation?

Don'y you guys read the news? https://www.barrons.com/articles/u-s-coronavirus-hospitalizations-approach-30-here-are-the-latest-covid-19-data-51586175360

It's May 29 and you're citing an article from April 6?

Because I don't feel like sitting here writing a research paper for you. Just Google it. There are literally thousands of articles citing these statistics. Look up your age. And figure it out. I'm 45.

CDC's "Best guess" scenario for age 0-49 symptomatic cases is 1.7% with a range from 1.3%-2.6%. That's a serious level of risk for hospitalization, but not anywhere near 12.5% (1 in 8).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Yeah but you also need to factor in that among those 1.7%, the vast majority have preexisting medical conditions. The last figure I saw cited for this was around 90%. So if you're not obese and have no health problems, your risk of being hospitalized is actually much lower than 1.7%.

The CDC put out some really bad information, in my opinion. I don’t know where they’re getting it, by I have obsessively researched this since the Wuhan days, and their best guess scenarios make no sense to me. Especially for hospitalizations. I’m using the data I’ve read from all other corners of the universe to base my behaviors. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone.

Well since I have an underlying condition the argument that it’s only people who have underlying conditions doesn’t really make me feel better. But thanks! And FYI the majority of adult Americans have an underlying condition that is listed as a risk factor.

Probably many of the people with underlying conditions who died were in nursing homes and knocking on deaths door.

A study showed that even for people with underlying conditions or in nursing homes, COVID shortened their lives by 10 years. That is what finally moved my dad to stop poo-pooing it.

Coronavirus Kills People an Average of a Decade Before Their Time, Studies Find
Research, which can help governments assess economic cost of lockdowns, shows Covid-19 isn’t merely hastening the end for the already ill

People dying of Covid-19 could have expected to live on average for at least another decade, according to two studies that help fill in the developing picture of the human cost of the coronavirus pandemic.

The findings show the virus isn’t just carrying off the elderly or infirm a few months before their time.

“Some people think that these people dying would have died this year anyway,” said Andrew Briggs, a professor of health economics at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine who led one of the studies. “That’s simply not the case.”

As governments loosen lockdowns that have contained the disease but cratered economies, estimates of life-years lost can feed into initial assessments comparing the costs of the shutdowns against the social and economic benefits of saving lives.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-kills-people-an-average-of-a-decade-before-their-time-11588424401

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Anonymous wrote:No, because:
-we don’t yet know that having it once means you won’t get it again
-the case fatality rate may be %1 or lower so assess that risk for yourself but even if you think %1 risk of death if you get it is low, you really don’t know what the risk of you/your spouse/your kid getting very ill and perhaps being ill for a really long time. Example: I’m 35, normal BMI, no health issues. I got Covid in early March and although my worst symptoms went away after about 3 weeks, I STILL don’t feel very well almost 3 months later. I still occasionally experience shortness of breath, headache, fatigue. Of course that could be some other illness now and no longer covid effects but I have been almost entirely isolated from others since the time I first got sick (wfh, my spouse goes to the grocery store every other week but I don’t go anywhere at all, don’t see anyone outside my immediate family...so I think the chances I’ve come down with other subsequent viruses is very low and this is likely still covid causing these symptoms-that is a LONG time to be sick especially for an otherwise healthy person)
-we don’t yet have any effective therapeutics for it but scientists and doctors are working on developing them all the time so we may get some soon and if you have to get sick, it would be better to get sick once a treatment is developed
-we don’t yet know that if you do get it again, the second bout of covid infection might be even worse. It’s not likely but it’s certainly possible as this is the case for some viruses
-schools will likely be online only in the fall anyway so this whole conversation is basically pointless

Any BMI over 30 is considered obese. You're 35. Obese. Now that may be "normal" but it's definitely not healthy. Sorry you don't feel well.

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Anonymous wrote:No, because:
-we don’t yet know that having it once means you won’t get it again
-the case fatality rate may be %1 or lower so assess that risk for yourself but even if you think %1 risk of death if you get it is low, you really don’t know what the risk of you/your spouse/your kid getting very ill and perhaps being ill for a really long time. Example: I’m 35, normal BMI, no health issues. I got Covid in early March and although my worst symptoms went away after about 3 weeks, I STILL don’t feel very well almost 3 months later. I still occasionally experience shortness of breath, headache, fatigue. Of course that could be some other illness now and no longer covid effects but I have been almost entirely isolated from others since the time I first got sick (wfh, my spouse goes to the grocery store every other week but I don’t go anywhere at all, don’t see anyone outside my immediate family...so I think the chances I’ve come down with other subsequent viruses is very low and this is likely still covid causing these symptoms-that is a LONG time to be sick especially for an otherwise healthy person)
-we don’t yet have any effective therapeutics for it but scientists and doctors are working on developing them all the time so we may get some soon and if you have to get sick, it would be better to get sick once a treatment is developed
-we don’t yet know that if you do get it again, the second bout of covid infection might be even worse. It’s not likely but it’s certainly possible as this is the case for some viruses
-schools will likely be online only in the fall anyway so this whole conversation is basically pointless

Any BMI over 30 is considered obese. You're 35. Obese. Now that may be "normal" but it's definitely not healthy. Sorry you don't feel well.

... DP, but pretty sure 35 was her age.

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful what you wish for and especially your kids. There are two brothers, 16 & 14, who are both in the PICU at a local hospital. The 16 year old has no underlying conditions and was the first to get COVID....has been in the hospital for 6 weeks. He has been on a vent for the majority of that time, ECMO ( if you don’t know what that is, look it up- pretty serious stuff and kidney dialysis. At times they weren’t sure he’d make it. They removed the ventilator and now has a trach.

His younger brother does have underlying respiratory issues, he’s still on the vent, ECMO, has a rash all over his body, high fever and still struggling. He’s been in the hospital for a month.

The physicians said they’d both be in the hospital for at least another month, if not longer. Not to mention the long term issues.

The virus is real. I went to high school with someone who died from it. Sure, you could go with the odds of getting as sick as the people mentioned above are slim, but you don’t know where you or your kids fall in those odds. I’m not saying don’t live your life, I’m just saying I’d NEVER wish that my kids would get this. You’re kids could easily be one of the kids above. And remember, one was a healthy 16 year old with no pre-existing conditions.

Do they know where the 16 year old caught it?

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Anonymous wrote:No, because:
-we don’t yet know that having it once means you won’t get it again
-the case fatality rate may be %1 or lower so assess that risk for yourself but even if you think %1 risk of death if you get it is low, you really don’t know what the risk of you/your spouse/your kid getting very ill and perhaps being ill for a really long time. Example: I’m 35, normal BMI, no health issues. I got Covid in early March and although my worst symptoms went away after about 3 weeks, I STILL don’t feel very well almost 3 months later. I still occasionally experience shortness of breath, headache, fatigue. Of course that could be some other illness now and no longer covid effects but I have been almost entirely isolated from others since the time I first got sick (wfh, my spouse goes to the grocery store every other week but I don’t go anywhere at all, don’t see anyone outside my immediate family...so I think the chances I’ve come down with other subsequent viruses is very low and this is likely still covid causing these symptoms-that is a LONG time to be sick especially for an otherwise healthy person)
-we don’t yet have any effective therapeutics for it but scientists and doctors are working on developing them all the time so we may get some soon and if you have to get sick, it would be better to get sick once a treatment is developed
-we don’t yet know that if you do get it again, the second bout of covid infection might be even worse. It’s not likely but it’s certainly possible as this is the case for some viruses
-schools will likely be online only in the fall anyway so this whole conversation is basically pointless

Any BMI over 30 is considered obese. You're 35. Obese. Now that may be "normal" but it's definitely not healthy. Sorry you don't feel well.

You dumbass. The PP is 35 years old. Not a BMI of 35.

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful what you wish for and especially your kids. There are two brothers, 16 & 14, who are both in the PICU at a local hospital. The 16 year old has no underlying conditions and was the first to get COVID....has been in the hospital for 6 weeks. He has been on a vent for the majority of that time, ECMO ( if you don’t know what that is, look it up- pretty serious stuff and kidney dialysis. At times they weren’t sure he’d make it. They removed the ventilator and now has a trach.

His younger brother does have underlying respiratory issues, he’s still on the vent, ECMO, has a rash all over his body, high fever and still struggling. He’s been in the hospital for a month.

The physicians said they’d both be in the hospital for at least another month, if not longer. Not to mention the long term issues.

The virus is real. I went to high school with someone who died from it. Sure, you could go with the odds of getting as sick as the people mentioned above are slim, but you don’t know where you or your kids fall in those odds. I’m not saying don’t live your life, I’m just saying I’d NEVER wish that my kids would get this. You’re kids could easily be one of the kids above. And remember, one was a healthy 16 year old with no pre-existing conditions.

Do they know where the 16 year old caught it?

I’m not exactly sure? I don’t personally know the family, I have several friends that know them.

My friend from high school who died from it was a nurse locally, early 50s. She was in the hospital for several weeks. COVID caused blood clots to form in her lungs, she then went into heart failure. She ended up on life support and her family took her off of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful what you wish for and especially your kids. There are two brothers, 16 & 14, who are both in the PICU at a local hospital. The 16 year old has no underlying conditions and was the first to get COVID....has been in the hospital for 6 weeks. He has been on a vent for the majority of that time, ECMO ( if you don’t know what that is, look it up- pretty serious stuff and kidney dialysis. At times they weren’t sure he’d make it. They removed the ventilator and now has a trach.

His younger brother does have underlying respiratory issues, he’s still on the vent, ECMO, has a rash all over his body, high fever and still struggling. He’s been in the hospital for a month.

The physicians said they’d both be in the hospital for at least another month, if not longer. Not to mention the long term issues.

The virus is real. I went to high school with someone who died from it. Sure, you could go with the odds of getting as sick as the people mentioned above are slim, but you don’t know where you or your kids fall in those odds. I’m not saying don’t live your life, I’m just saying I’d NEVER wish that my kids would get this. You’re kids could easily be one of the kids above. And remember, one was a healthy 16 year old with no pre-existing conditions.

This is so sad. Makes me think there must be genetic components to why this affects some people severely and not others. It’s so baffling. Has anyone seen anyone studies on why this virus effects people so vastly differently?

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This is so sad. Makes me think there must be genetic components to why this affects some people severely and not others. It’s so baffling. Has anyone seen anyone studies on why this virus effects people so vastly differently?

This is what I want to know, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful what you wish for and especially your kids. There are two brothers, 16 & 14, who are both in the PICU at a local hospital. The 16 year old has no underlying conditions and was the first to get COVID....has been in the hospital for 6 weeks. He has been on a vent for the majority of that time, ECMO ( if you don’t know what that is, look it up- pretty serious stuff and kidney dialysis. At times they weren’t sure he’d make it. They removed the ventilator and now has a trach.

His younger brother does have underlying respiratory issues, he’s still on the vent, ECMO, has a rash all over his body, high fever and still struggling. He’s been in the hospital for a month.

The physicians said they’d both be in the hospital for at least another month, if not longer. Not to mention the long term issues.

The virus is real. I went to high school with someone who died from it. Sure, you could go with the odds of getting as sick as the people mentioned above are slim, but you don’t know where you or your kids fall in those odds. I’m not saying don’t live your life, I’m just saying I’d NEVER wish that my kids would get this. You’re kids could easily be one of the kids above. And remember, one was a healthy 16 year old with no pre-existing conditions.

This is so sad. Makes me think there must be genetic components to why this affects some people severely and not others. It’s so baffling. Has anyone seen anyone studies on why this virus effects people so vastly differently?

I know that people are looking at why Europe and North America have a higher mortality rate than East Asia. Only some hard hit areas of the US and Canada have notably large East Asian-descended populations. Are East Asian Americans and Canadians under-represented? How are Afro-Canadians faring? The First Nations?

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Anonymous wrote:No, and here's why:

--The 1-3% chance of death.
--The high chance the suffering (feeling like you can't breath and taking months to recover).
--The moderate (1/8) chance of hospitalization. I don't want to put myself, my family, or even my coworkers though that. Plus it's $$$.
--The almost certain chance that I will spread it to someone, and that will lead to the death and suffering of many more people and their families.

You're basically lighting a match and walking away by not making your best effort to contain this thing. What your "best effort" is not going to be the same for everyone. But it's certainly not hoping you get it.

Citation?

Don'y you guys read the news? https://www.barrons.com/articles/u-s-coronavirus-hospitalizations-approach-30-here-are-the-latest-covid-19-data-51586175360

It's May 29 and you're citing an article from April 6?

Because I don't feel like sitting here writing a research paper for you. Just Google it. There are literally thousands of articles citing these statistics. Look up your age. And figure it out. I'm 45.

CDC's "Best guess" scenario for age 0-49 symptomatic cases is 1.7% with a range from 1.3%-2.6%. That's a serious level of risk for hospitalization, but not anywhere near 12.5% (1 in 8).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Yeah but you also need to factor in that among those 1.7%, the vast majority have preexisting medical conditions. The last figure I saw cited for this was around 90%. So if you're not obese and have no health problems, your risk of being hospitalized is actually much lower than 1.7%.

The CDC put out some really bad information, in my opinion. I don’t know where they’re getting it, by I have obsessively researched this since the Wuhan days, and their best guess scenarios make no sense to me. Especially for hospitalizations. I’m using the data I’ve read from all other corners of the universe to base my behaviors. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone.

What are your best guess hospitalization and death rates?

They’re up there above. I think the mortality rate is about 1-2% for everyone, and the hospitalization rate is about 10%. I’m basing the hospitalization rate on the numbers given for mild/moderate versus severe cases. The obvious question mark are asymptomatic cases, but even in Spain they only found antibodies in 5% of the population, which put the mortality rate over 1%. I think here in America the CDC is continuing to downplay the risk. I’m not a conspiracy type but I just can’t understand the data they’re putting up. I know of only 5 covid-positive people in my tangential circle: 1 is currently on a ventilator and undergoing dialysis (50 year old in Charlotte with autoimmune issues); one is a high risk (overweight, big drinker) 40 year old male who was hospitalized for 2 days and is doing well (Chicago); another is a 45-year-old make athlete in great shape who was hospitalized for a week and is out but having lingering lung and liver problems; and another is a 40-year-old woman in NY who was not hospitalized but had to go on an inhaler and antibiotics after still feeling like shit and sporting a fever after a month. Then I know a bunch of people who “think they had it.” Do I factor them in? The CDC probably is but I’m not.

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This is so sad. Makes me think there must be genetic components to why this affects some people severely and not others. It’s so baffling. Has anyone seen anyone studies on why this virus effects people so vastly differently?

This is what I want to know, too.

It’s what everyone wants to know.