Georgetown v. Notre Dame

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Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time imagining these schools appealing to the same students. I went to Georgetown and did not even consider ND. I wanted to be in a city and I did not want a conservative or overtly religious environment. I know ND's reputation has risen over the years and it's true that Georgetown's endowment issues hold it back, but the factors I cited would lead me to the same decision today.

My son (freshman at ND) would have loved being in a city, but he didn't even consider Georgetown. But he didn't want to stay in DC area.

That makes sense to me - my husband (whom I met at Gtown) is from Manhattan and didn't consider any NYC schools. Being in a city was a deal breaker for me, coming from a rural area, so I didn't look at any non-urban schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time imagining these schools appealing to the same students. I went to Georgetown and did not even consider ND. I wanted to be in a city and I did not want a conservative or overtly religious environment. I know ND's reputation has risen over the years and it's true that Georgetown's endowment issues hold it back, but the factors I cited would lead me to the same decision today.

I laugh every single time I read something like this. While Georgetown certainly attracts a much larger percentage of non-Catholic applicants, the undergraduate school is still 60 percent Catholic and there is a huge overlap in applications between the two schools. They are generally considered the two most prestigious Catholic universities in the country.

That you personally did not even consider ND hardly means that nobody else would, hard as it is for you to "imagine."

I think there's more overlap in general today, since most kids apply to more schools than in the past (I was class of 2005). I knew lots of Catholics at Georgetown but no conservative or doctrinaire Catholics. I'm sure there were some, but they were not a major factor at the school. I doubt that is true for Notre Dame, which is going to be a negative for some people. At my boarding school, Georgetown was considered to be grouped with schools like Vanderbilt, Emory, Duke, etc. rather than with other Catholic schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time imagining these schools appealing to the same students. I went to Georgetown and did not even consider ND. I wanted to be in a city and I did not want a conservative or overtly religious environment. I know ND's reputation has risen over the years and it's true that Georgetown's endowment issues hold it back, but the factors I cited would lead me to the same decision today.

I laugh every single time I read something like this. While Georgetown certainly attracts a much larger percentage of non-Catholic applicants, the undergraduate school is still 60 percent Catholic and there is a huge overlap in applications between the two schools. They are generally considered the two most prestigious Catholic universities in the country.

That you personally did not even consider ND hardly means that nobody else would, hard as it is for you to "imagine."

I think there's more overlap in general today, since most kids apply to more schools than in the past (I was class of 2005). I knew lots of Catholics at Georgetown but no conservative or doctrinaire Catholics. I'm sure there were some, but they were not a major factor at the school. I doubt that is true for Notre Dame, which is going to be a negative for some people. At my boarding school, Georgetown was considered to be grouped with schools like Vanderbilt, Emory, Duke, etc. rather than with other Catholic schools.

See, you've just outed yourself. You went to boarding school. You and your classmates weren't living in the real world. And let me guess: it wasn't a Catholic boarding school. Non-Catholic boarding schools don't promote Notre Dame.

That doesn't change the fact that, outside of your very rarified bubble, Notre Dame and Georgetown have attracted many cross-applicants from Catholic schools forever. The Hoya writes about it. It's a decade old joke definition in Urban Dictionary ("Georgetown University: where students go when they can't get into an Ivy (except Cornell) or Notre Dame.")

I mean, get real. You're off base on this.

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Outed as being unbiased maybe

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Does Georgetown even have an identity? Spooks and strivers. Notre Dame has a distinct brand and an ethos unlike any other university in the country, in my opinion. It's by no means perfect but it's pretty special in that regard.

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One of my good friends sent her son to Notre Dame and he commented that 50% of the graduates go to NYC to be bankers, the other 50% go to Washington to be in politics. Which surprises me because my takeaway was none of them want to be in the Midwest, not even Chicago anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Outed as being unbiased maybe

Huh? It's a given that many, many students apply to both and end up choosing one or the other of these schools. There's no "bias" involved in acknowledging that. To suggest that it's not the case simply because it didn't happen at your boarding school is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of my good friends sent her son to Notre Dame and he commented that 50% of the graduates go to NYC to be bankers, the other 50% go to Washington to be in politics. Which surprises me because my takeaway was none of them want to be in the Midwest, not even Chicago anymore.

Bankers and politicians. That sounds horrible. To be fair, Georgetown had its fair share of both.

I say move on to other choices entirely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of my good friends sent her son to Notre Dame and he commented that 50% of the graduates go to NYC to be bankers, the other 50% go to Washington to be in politics. Which surprises me because my takeaway was none of them want to be in the Midwest, not even Chicago anymore.

This is untrue. Many go into medicine, data science, computer science, engineering, etc. Your friend's son might have been in the business school, which is very different from the rest of the university.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my good friends sent her son to Notre Dame and he commented that 50% of the graduates go to NYC to be bankers, the other 50% go to Washington to be in politics. Which surprises me because my takeaway was none of them want to be in the Midwest, not even Chicago anymore.

This is untrue. Many go into medicine, data science, computer science, engineering, etc. Your friend's son might have been in the business school, which is very different from the rest of the university.

Way to be hyper-literal, dork. We all really thought literally 100% of ND kids end up in only NYC and DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing that clip, PP. He truly was an extraordinary man. I had the pleasure of meeting him once, as a law student.

ND not being interested in social justice? Hogwash.

https://www.wndu.com/content/news/Notre-Dame-president-issues-statement-against-immigration-policy-485931501.html

Old ND grad here. Notre Dame has sadly moved farther away from social justice since Father Ted retired. It’s not the same school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing that clip, PP. He truly was an extraordinary man. I had the pleasure of meeting him once, as a law student.

ND not being interested in social justice? Hogwash.

https://www.wndu.com/content/news/Notre-Dame-president-issues-statement-against-immigration-policy-485931501.html

Old ND grad here. Notre Dame has sadly moved farther away from social justice since Father Ted retired. It’s not the same school.

How do you know that? Do you have kids there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does Georgetown even have an identity? Spooks and strivers. Notre Dame has a distinct brand and an ethos unlike any other university in the country, in my opinion. It's by no means perfect but it's pretty special in that regard.

The type of guest speakers and adjunct professors and access to internships is a huge boon to Georgetown.

Bill Clinton and LBJ went there undergrad.

US Presidents: Georgetown 2; Notre Dame 0.

[Anonymous]

In this area, a lot of kids don't want to go to school close to home. I see more choosing ND solely for that reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does Georgetown even have an identity? Spooks and strivers. Notre Dame has a distinct brand and an ethos unlike any other university in the country, in my opinion. It's by no means perfect but it's pretty special in that regard.

The type of guest speakers and adjunct professors and access to internships is a huge boon to Georgetown.

Bill Clinton and LBJ went there undergrad.

US Presidents: Georgetown 2; Notre Dame 0.

Yup, but that was ions ago. What is Georgetown churning out today?