AAP - why not have it for all of FCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:It really perplexed me WHY the curriculum is so bad in FCPS ES when most people agree it is pretty good in MS and HS

Honestly, because there is a lot more differentiation at the secondary level. No one wants to say it, but it's true. The kids who are below grade level or have behavior problems are put in separate classrooms from the kids who are able to keep up with the material and want to be in class. There is some differentiation at the ES level but it's a different beast. If 10-20% of an elementary class is at least one grade level behind in reading or math, those students anchor the entire group.

The important distinction is that in HS you are allowed to take any course you want. There is no iron curtain like in AAP.

Sort of. If you barely passed Algebra I, you aren't taking AP Physics in high school.

But why are you assuming that the gen ed kid barely passed Algebra 1? Go read the threads of kids who got rejected. WISCs in the 140s. They will be ok in AP Physics. Also many gen ed kids are in Advanced Math.

I'm not assuming that. Sorry if my post was unclear. If you are passing Algebra I at the secondary level, you are not in the same math class as students who cannot pass the class. In ES, students who are not passing the SOLs are in the same gen ed classes as students who are passing advanced on those tests. There may be math differentiation within the classroom or even pullouts for the advanced kids, but some schools don't start that until 5th grade. This is why a lot of people (including myself) think FCPS is so-so in ES but does MS and HS quite well.

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Anonymous wrote:It really perplexed me WHY the curriculum is so bad in FCPS ES when most people agree it is pretty good in MS and HS

Honestly, because there is a lot more differentiation at the secondary level. No one wants to say it, but it's true. The kids who are below grade level or have behavior problems are put in separate classrooms from the kids who are able to keep up with the material and want to be in class. There is some differentiation at the ES level but it's a different beast. If 10-20% of an elementary class is at least one grade level behind in reading or math, those students anchor the entire group.

The important distinction is that in HS you are allowed to take any course you want. There is no iron curtain like in AAP.

Sort of. If you barely passed Algebra I, you aren't taking AP Physics in high school.

But why are you assuming that the gen ed kid barely passed Algebra 1? Go read the threads of kids who got rejected. WISCs in the 140s. They will be ok in AP Physics. Also many gen ed kids are in Advanced Math.

I'm not assuming that. Sorry if my post was unclear. If you are passing Algebra I at the secondary level, you are not in the same math class as students who cannot pass the class. In ES, students who are not passing the SOLs are in the same gen ed classes as students who are passing advanced on those tests. There may be math differentiation within the classroom or even pullouts for the advanced kids, but some schools don't start that until 5th grade. This is why a lot of people (including myself) think FCPS is so-so in ES but does MS and HS quite well.

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Anonymous wrote:It really perplexed me WHY the curriculum is so bad in FCPS ES when most people agree it is pretty good in MS and HS

Honestly, because there is a lot more differentiation at the secondary level. No one wants to say it, but it's true. The kids who are below grade level or have behavior problems are put in separate classrooms from the kids who are able to keep up with the material and want to be in class. There is some differentiation at the ES level but it's a different beast. If 10-20% of an elementary class is at least one grade level behind in reading or math, those students anchor the entire group.

The important distinction is that in HS you are allowed to take any course you want. There is no iron curtain like in AAP.

Sort of. If you barely passed Algebra I, you aren't taking AP Physics in high school.

But why are you assuming that the gen ed kid barely passed Algebra 1? [bold] Go read the threads of kids who got rejected. WISCs in the 140s. They will be ok in AP Physics. Also many gen ed kids are in Advanced Math. [/bold]

I'm not assuming that. Sorry if my post was unclear. If you are passing Algebra I at the secondary level, you are not in the same math class as students who cannot pass the class. In ES, students who are not passing the SOLs are in the same gen ed classes as students who are passing advanced on those tests. There may be math differentiation within the classroom or even pullouts for the advanced kids, but some schools don't start that until 5th grade. This is why a lot of people (including myself) think FCPS is so-so in ES but does MS and HS quite well.

This. aToo many kids who can do well are not given the choice.

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Anonymous wrote:It really perplexed me WHY the curriculum is so bad in FCPS ES when most people agree it is pretty good in MS and HS

Honestly, because there is a lot more differentiation at the secondary level. No one wants to say it, but it's true. The kids who are below grade level or have behavior problems are put in separate classrooms from the kids who are able to keep up with the material and want to be in class. There is some differentiation at the ES level but it's a different beast. If 10-20% of an elementary class is at least one grade level behind in reading or math, those students anchor the entire group.

The important distinction is that in HS you are allowed to take any course you want. There is no iron curtain like in AAP.

Sort of. If you barely passed Algebra I, you aren't taking AP Physics in high school.

But why are you assuming that the gen ed kid barely passed Algebra 1? Go read the threads of kids who got rejected. WISCs in the 140s. They will be ok in AP Physics. Also many gen ed kids are in Advanced Math.

I'm not assuming that. Sorry if my post was unclear. If you are passing Algebra I at the secondary level, you are not in the same math class as students who cannot pass the class. In ES, students who are not passing the SOLs are in the same gen ed classes as students who are passing advanced on those tests. There may be math differentiation within the classroom or even pullouts for the advanced kids, but some schools don't start that until 5th grade. This is why a lot of people (including myself) think FCPS is so-so in ES but does MS and HS quite well.

Upper ES teacher here. This is true! In middle school ESL kids Level 1-2 are in separate classes. Sped kids are in team taught or self contained. The larger problem is staffing in ES. There are not enough ESOL or SPED teachers in ES unless you are at Title 1. The dream would be 1 ESOL and SPED teacher per team. At my school they are shared. It is impossible.

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Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

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Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

This isn't always true. If the elementary schools had a general education pathway that did not only cater to those who are behind or disruptive more parents would be fine leaving the kids there. They wouldn't have to go to AAP to get a decent public education.

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Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

This isn't always true. If the elementary schools had a general education pathway that did not only cater to those who are behind or disruptive more parents would be fine leaving the kids there. They wouldn't have to go to AAP to get a decent public education.

And there you have it. AAP is just to get away from the “undesirables”.

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Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

This isn't always true. If the elementary schools had a general education pathway that did not only cater to those who are behind or disruptive more parents would be fine leaving the kids there. They wouldn't have to go to AAP to get a decent public education.

And there you have it. AAP is just to get away from the “undesirables”.

Kids who can't handle simple academic material and/or disrupt class are not "undesirables," they are objective scourges on society and are ruining the entire education system.

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Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

This isn't always true. If the elementary schools had a general education pathway that did not only cater to those who are behind or disruptive more parents would be fine leaving the kids there. They wouldn't have to go to AAP to get a decent public education.

And there you have it. AAP is just to get away from the “undesirables”.

Kids who can't handle simple academic material and/or disrupt class are not "undesirables," they are objective scourges on society and are ruining the entire education system.

Hate to break it to you, but AAP had many kids who are disruptive.

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Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

This isn't always true. If the elementary schools had a general education pathway that did not only cater to those who are behind or disruptive more parents would be fine leaving the kids there. They wouldn't have to go to AAP to get a decent public education.

And there you have it. AAP is just to get away from the “undesirables”.

Kids who can't handle simple academic material and/or disrupt class are not "undesirables," they are objective scourges on society and are ruining the entire education system.

Hate to break it to you, but AAP had many kids who are disruptive.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

This isn't always true. If the elementary schools had a general education pathway that did not only cater to those who are behind or disruptive more parents would be fine leaving the kids there. They wouldn't have to go to AAP to get a decent public education.

And there you have it. AAP is just to get away from the “undesirables”.

Kids who can't handle simple academic material and/or disrupt class are not "undesirables," they are objective scourges on society and are ruining the entire education system.

Hate to break it to you, but AAP had many kids who are disruptive.

+1. AAP is a way to keep your kid with others who are at least on or above grade level. It's not a way to avoid disruptive classmates. I'm pretty sure our base school put together exceptionally strong packages for a couple of students so they could unload them to the unsuspecting center.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

This isn't always true. If the elementary schools had a general education pathway that did not only cater to those who are behind or disruptive more parents would be fine leaving the kids there. They wouldn't have to go to AAP to get a decent public education.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

This isn't always true. If the elementary schools had a general education pathway that did not only cater to those who are behind or disruptive more parents would be fine leaving the kids there. They wouldn't have to go to AAP to get a decent public education.

And there you have it. AAP is just to get away from the “undesirables”.

Should parents avoid doing what's best for their own children to make you feel better?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

This isn't always true. If the elementary schools had a general education pathway that did not only cater to those who are behind or disruptive more parents would be fine leaving the kids there. They wouldn't have to go to AAP to get a decent public education.

And there you have it. AAP is just to get away from the “undesirables”.

Should parents avoid doing what's best for their own children to make you feel better?

I think PPs are just pointing out that AAP is not a program for the gifted and that parents constantly game the system to get in. At least some parents admit it vs. being delusional about their kids being gifted.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Saying everyone is special is another way of saying no one is”

And that is what gets to so many people. They don't love the idea of all kids having the same opportunities, because then their special ones won't be so special anymore. Never mind that huge numbers of AAP kids are those whose parents have gamed the system and aren't really gifted or special. Or kids like mine who were teacher referred to help round out the classes.

This isn't always true. If the elementary schools had a general education pathway that did not only cater to those who are behind or disruptive more parents would be fine leaving the kids there. They wouldn't have to go to AAP to get a decent public education.

And there you have it. AAP is just to get away from the “undesirables”.

Should parents avoid doing what's best for their own children to make you feel better?

I think PPs are just pointing out that AAP is not a program for the gifted and that parents constantly game the system to get in. At least some parents admit it vs. being delusional about their kids being gifted.

Still doesn't explain why some many are obsessed with ending AAP. What is gained by pointing out that its not what you'd consider gifted? Sounds like bitterness tbh