Upper NW DC the "Suburbs"?

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It’s definitely a suburb. Inner suburb, but still suburb. All of Washington DC is not urban.

There are very clearly urban parts and suburb parts. Only some people in the suburb part that live in a little bubble think they live an urban lifestyle.

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The DC Office of Planning wants to end or at least curtail single family residential in Upper NW and create much denser urban neighborhoods. Huge profit opportunities for real estate developers.

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Parts of Upper NW are more suburban than parts of Montgomery or Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes CCDC is the suburbs.

So is Brooklyn

And Queens!

Queens feels like the suburbs. Most of Brooklyn does not until you get to Sheepshead Bay.

Brooklyn is literally called the 1st suburb in the US.

It’s not about feel it’s about it being the suburb.

Brooklyn and Queens offer very mixed housing options. NWDC is definitely a lot more residential than either of them overall. There are areas of Brooklyn that are similar in density to NWDC, but they are still better covered by subway access, closer and more frequent subway stops, more commercial strips in closer walking distance than NWDC, not as car oriented, as commercial establishments don't offer parking for the most part. There are clearly suburban parts of Queens that are far from subway, but overall Brooklyn and Queens have large swaths of rowhouse/apartment building density that is closer in nature to DC core areas and not residential NWDC. DC itself is about as dense as Brooklyn and Queens, it's a mid rise and rowhouse density. NWDC has a more urban feel only around its main streets near metro stations, but metro stations are very far apart IMHO to make the entirety of this area feel urban. It's more like a denser suburb, then a city.

CCDC and Brooklyn are both suburbs.

What? Brooklyn is huge, it could be a city of its own and has an infrastructure of a city, CCDC is a neighborhood. It seems like you either had never been to Brooklyn or your idea of it is based upon the stupid Sex and the city show where Miranda "escapes" to the burbs of Brooklyn for that back yard. Brooklyn is immense and much much more dense, it has multiple subway lines, Prospect Park, museums and theaters, office buildings and ferry stations and a well developed waterfront, highrise density and mostly rowhomes with some SFH areas as well. It has MANY neighborhoods. And technically Brooklyn IS NYC, it's an outer borough, not a suburb. NYC has suburbs further out, in Long Island, Westchester and NJ. NYC has 5 boroughs, the most suburban of them is Staten Island. The comparison between Brooklyn with its tons of diverse neighborhoods to one residential area of DC is laughable.

I does not matter what you "think should be a suburb". You have created some ridiculous criteria for "suburb" IN YOUR HEAD..... Brooklyn is the 1st suburb and it still is a suburb.

Brooklyn is a suburb get over it.

It's a borough, not a city.

So whether you live in CCDC or Brooklyn you are a suburbanite, even if it hurts your little feelings and destroys what you thought was your "city girl" identity.

Brooklyn was a city in its own right before unifying with Manhattan to become one of the boroughs. So its history is not one as a suburb.

Otherwise I do agree upper NW is not urban. Places like upper NW exist in other cities but are firmly in the suburbs. Like Brookline, which was a suburban town of Boston. If the city borders of DC were smaller, upper NW would be in Montgomery County and thus in the suburbs. As it is, upper NW is within the city of Washington, but it is not an urban area.

No Brooklyn, specifically Brooklyn Heights, is NY's 1st suburb. You can't change history because you think Brooklyn is hip and cool and feels like a city to you. It's not a city, its a suburb.

Also, if you are native to DC, when you moved to the burbs you moved to NW DC.

Google the history of Brooklyn. I've only been to Brooklyn a few times but even I know Brooklyn was once its own city.

My mother was born there... I have family there. I don't have to "google" the history. It's america's 1st suburb and it has always been a suburb. It's wear you live and you commute to your job.

Just like CCDC, it's where you live and you commute to your job.

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever just referred to Brooklyn as a suburb just lost all credibility. I lived in Brooklyn for 4 years (am originally from Manhattan) and moved to Rockville 3 years ago.

I was walking distance to Barclays Center and an insane amount of restaurants, bars, and retail. Brooklyn would be the 4th largest City in population if each borough of NYC was considered it's own city. For crying out loud almost 1 million more people live in Brooklyn than Manhattan.

I didn't own a car since the subway would take me wherever I needed to go. I was a 25 minute walk to work as my office was in Brooklyn (or 2 subway stops away and a 5 min walk from the subway). Brooklyn is as much of a city as anywhere in DC.

Side note, my favorite steakhouse in Brooklyn St. Anselm recently opened it's second location which is in DC, if anyone gets a chance to go, the food there is top notch.

Wow 4 years... it's a suburb honey. It has been for 200 years.

Being about to walk to a restaurant does not make it a city.

Everything you posted about Brooklyn is also true about Rockville.

Free on Kindle... you can learn all about america's 1st suburb... https://www.amazon.com/Brooklyn-Heights-Rebirth-Americas-Definitive-ebook/dp/B0115D4KPG

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Anonymous wrote:Yes CCDC is the suburbs.

So is Brooklyn

And Queens!

Queens feels like the suburbs. Most of Brooklyn does not until you get to Sheepshead Bay.

Brooklyn is literally called the 1st suburb in the US.

It’s not about feel it’s about it being the suburb.

Brooklyn and Queens offer very mixed housing options. NWDC is definitely a lot more residential than either of them overall. There are areas of Brooklyn that are similar in density to NWDC, but they are still better covered by subway access, closer and more frequent subway stops, more commercial strips in closer walking distance than NWDC, not as car oriented, as commercial establishments don't offer parking for the most part. There are clearly suburban parts of Queens that are far from subway, but overall Brooklyn and Queens have large swaths of rowhouse/apartment building density that is closer in nature to DC core areas and not residential NWDC. DC itself is about as dense as Brooklyn and Queens, it's a mid rise and rowhouse density. NWDC has a more urban feel only around its main streets near metro stations, but metro stations are very far apart IMHO to make the entirety of this area feel urban. It's more like a denser suburb, then a city.

CCDC and Brooklyn are both suburbs.

What? Brooklyn is huge, it could be a city of its own and has an infrastructure of a city, CCDC is a neighborhood. It seems like you either had never been to Brooklyn or your idea of it is based upon the stupid Sex and the city show where Miranda "escapes" to the burbs of Brooklyn for that back yard. Brooklyn is immense and much much more dense, it has multiple subway lines, Prospect Park, museums and theaters, office buildings and ferry stations and a well developed waterfront, highrise density and mostly rowhomes with some SFH areas as well. It has MANY neighborhoods. And technically Brooklyn IS NYC, it's an outer borough, not a suburb. NYC has suburbs further out, in Long Island, Westchester and NJ. NYC has 5 boroughs, the most suburban of them is Staten Island. The comparison between Brooklyn with its tons of diverse neighborhoods to one residential area of DC is laughable.

I does not matter what you "think should be a suburb". You have created some ridiculous criteria for "suburb" IN YOUR HEAD..... Brooklyn is the 1st suburb and it still is a suburb.

Brooklyn is a suburb get over it.

It's a borough, not a city.

So whether you live in CCDC or Brooklyn you are a suburbanite, even if it hurts your little feelings and destroys what you thought was your "city girl" identity.

Brooklyn was a city in its own right before unifying with Manhattan to become one of the boroughs. So its history is not one as a suburb.

Otherwise I do agree upper NW is not urban. Places like upper NW exist in other cities but are firmly in the suburbs. Like Brookline, which was a suburban town of Boston. If the city borders of DC were smaller, upper NW would be in Montgomery County and thus in the suburbs. As it is, upper NW is within the city of Washington, but it is not an urban area.

No Brooklyn, specifically Brooklyn Heights, is NY's 1st suburb. You can't change history because you think Brooklyn is hip and cool and feels like a city to you. It's not a city, its a suburb.

Also, if you are native to DC, when you moved to the burbs you moved to NW DC.

Brooklyn was an independent incorporated city at the time it was merged into and became a Borough of NYC. I am not sure why you are arguing this basic historical fact (which has nothign to do with whether it is a suburb or has a suburban feel).

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Anonymous wrote:It’s definitely a suburb. Inner suburb, but still suburb. All of Washington DC is not urban.

There are very clearly urban parts and suburb parts. Only some people in the suburb part that live in a little bubble think they live an urban lifestyle.

We don't think so. We think we live in suburbs of NW. Plenty of parking street parking and barely any people around,that is how I know I'm in suburbs. It's about short commute to work.
My commute is ca 6 minutes- lots of stops signs and plenty of free street parking near work.

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever just referred to Brooklyn as a suburb just lost all credibility. I lived in Brooklyn for 4 years (am originally from Manhattan) and moved to Rockville 3 years ago.

I was walking distance to Barclays Center and an insane amount of restaurants, bars, and retail. Brooklyn would be the 4th largest City in population if each borough of NYC was considered it's own city. For crying out loud almost 1 million more people live in Brooklyn than Manhattan.

I didn't own a car since the subway would take me wherever I needed to go. I was a 25 minute walk to work as my office was in Brooklyn (or 2 subway stops away and a 5 min walk from the subway). Brooklyn is as much of a city as anywhere in DC.

Side note, my favorite steakhouse in Brooklyn St. Anselm recently opened it's second location which is in DC, if anyone gets a chance to go, the food there is top notch.

Wow 4 years... it's a suburb honey. It has been for 200 years.

Being about to walk to a restaurant does not make it a city.

Everything you posted about Brooklyn is also true about Rockville.

Free on Kindle... you can learn all about america's 1st suburb... https://www.amazon.com/Brooklyn-Heights-Rebirth-Americas-Definitive-ebook/dp/B0115D4KPG

When I grew up in southern Brooklyn in the 60's, no one would have described where we lived as a suburb. That was Long Island. But we called taking the subway to Manhattan "going to the city", and the signs in the station mezzanines identified the platforms as "From City" and "To City".

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Calling all of Brooklyn a suburb is an oversimplification. Where my relatives live is definitely a very urban part of BK.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, upper NWDC is suburban feeling. But who the F cares? Why is this such a big deal?

It's not really a big deal, per se, I just think it's really funny when people who live in Upper NW act like their neighborhood is soo much more OMGURBAN and walkable than someone who lives just over the border in MD or in somewhere like Clarendon or Lyon Village in Arlington just because their address includes OMGWashington, DC. It's funny especially because my neighborhood in Arlington is closer to downtown than many neighborhoods in Upper NW.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, upper NWDC is suburban feeling. But who the F cares? Why is this such a big deal?

It's not really a big deal, per se, I just think it's really funny when people who live in Upper NW act like their neighborhood is soo much more OMGURBAN and walkable than someone who lives just over the border in MD or in somewhere like Clarendon or Lyon Village in Arlington just because their address includes OMGWashington, DC. It's funny especially because my neighborhood in Arlington is closer to downtown than many neighborhoods in Upper NW.

DP, who does this IRL? I live in a very suburban area of NW DC, and no one cares enough to brag about this stuff. Why are you suburbs posters hung up on where someone else chooses to live and whether it's urban or suburban?

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10 pages to stroke people’s ego if NW DC is urban or suburban?

What is the point of this nonsense topic?? Unless I just answered it

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, upper NWDC is suburban feeling. But who the F cares? Why is this such a big deal?

It's not really a big deal, per se, I just think it's really funny when people who live in Upper NW act like their neighborhood is soo much more OMGURBAN and walkable than someone who lives just over the border in MD or in somewhere like Clarendon or Lyon Village in Arlington just because their address includes OMGWashington, DC. It's funny especially because my neighborhood in Arlington is closer to downtown than many neighborhoods in Upper NW.

You are being sensitive and maybe insecure about living in Arlington. There's nothing wrong with it and, in fact, lots of people think its a fine suburb! This response makes me think of a friend from Baltimore who always talks about people from DC and Baltimore being in competition with each other. Actually, I've never met someone from DC who thinks of Baltimore in a competitive way. It's a nice place to take in a ballgame and have an orange crush. The bitterness is one-way.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, upper NWDC is suburban feeling. But who the F cares? Why is this such a big deal?

It's not really a big deal, per se, I just think it's really funny when people who live in Upper NW act like their neighborhood is soo much more OMGURBAN and walkable than someone who lives just over the border in MD or in somewhere like Clarendon or Lyon Village in Arlington just because their address includes OMGWashington, DC. It's funny especially because my neighborhood in Arlington is closer to downtown than many neighborhoods in Upper NW.

DP, who does this IRL? I live in a very suburban area of NW DC, and no one cares enough to brag about this stuff. Why are you suburbs posters hung up on where someone else chooses to live and whether it's urban or suburban?

No one does this in real life unless they're insecure about living in the suburbs.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, upper NWDC is suburban feeling. But who the F cares? Why is this such a big deal?

It's not really a big deal, per se, I just think it's really funny when people who live in Upper NW act like their neighborhood is soo much more OMGURBAN and walkable than someone who lives just over the border in MD or in somewhere like Clarendon or Lyon Village in Arlington just because their address includes OMGWashington, DC. It's funny especially because my neighborhood in Arlington is closer to downtown than many neighborhoods in Upper NW.

DP, who does this IRL? I live in a very suburban area of NW DC, and no one cares enough to brag about this stuff. Why are you suburbs posters hung up on where someone else chooses to live and whether it's urban or suburban?

Clearly the OP of this thread does this IRL and felt strongly enough about it to rant about it on DCUM.