US News 2020 rankings

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Stanford not ranked top 5?


Because it’s 6.


What makes you think Stanford should be in the top tier with Princeton, Harvard, or Yale? Look at their endowment.
School. Enrollment. Endowment
Princeton. 8,000. 25 billion
Harvard. 20,000. 39 billion
Yale. 13,000. 29 billion
Stanford. 17,000. 26 billion

Less money means less resources. By that, Stanford belongs in where it is.


In annual fundraising, over the last 12 years, Stanford has been tops 9 and Harvard 3. Stanford professors and associate professors are the highest paid, and assistant professors are the second highest paid.
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Anonymous wrote:USNWR rankings are like saying: rank the cities of the world in terms of their overall awesomeness. Rank all foods from best to worst. It’s inherently insane.

Is Harvard “better” than the University of Phoenix? Yes. Is Williams better than Liberty? Yes. But is Harvard “better” than Stanford, is Williams “better” than Amherst? It’s ridiculous.

Every school in the top hundred is a terrific school. Every school has strengths and weaknesses, and pros and cons for particular kids (urban/rural, small/large, great STEM/great humanities, more/less student diversity, etc). USNWR rankings exist to keep an otherwise failed company alive and to make all the rest of us crazy.


I don’t disagree but I also think number 1 is better than number 30. But at some granularity is does get absurd. Just like college football polls.


I think there are a couple of clearer tiers, then it gets murkier. Top tier in my mind is Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Caltech. Second tier is Columbia, Penn, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Chicago (I know that will cause some resentment here for not being in top tier). Below that, not as clear, and the differences between schools 10 or more spots away are not as significant as it is at the top (like Princeton vs. Johns Hopkins).


I would say this matches my perception, too. Those schools go by that order in my mind for their prestige, fair or not.




When I'm looking at resumes, I certainly don't think "well this one went to number 25 and this one 36".
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is Stanford not ranked top 5?


Because it’s 6.


What makes you think Stanford should be in the top tier with Princeton, Harvard, or Yale? Look at their endowment.
School. Enrollment. Endowment
Princeton. 8,000. 25 billion
Harvard. 20,000. 39 billion
Yale. 13,000. 29 billion
Stanford. 17,000. 26 billion

Less money means less resources. By that, Stanford belongs in where it is.


In annual fundraising, over the last 12 years, Stanford has been tops 9 and Harvard 3. Stanford professors and associate professors are the highest paid, and assistant professors are the second highest paid.


Stanford is a juggernaut.
Anonymous
Does anyone even care about any of the schools ranked outside the Top 25?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:In what academic area would the University of Florida be better than Wisconsin or Texas? Any?

None. It’s because deans vote for their circle of friends


I imagine the academic peer rating of Wisconsin and Texas are higher than Florida. It is the other things USNWR throws in that result in Florida being ranked higher.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone even care about any of the schools ranked outside the Top 25?


Yes. And is there a sudden invisible cutoff between 25 and 26?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is Stanford not ranked top 5?


Because it’s 6.


What makes you think Stanford should be in the top tier with Princeton, Harvard, or Yale? Look at their endowment.
School. Enrollment. Endowment
Princeton. 8,000. 25 billion
Harvard. 20,000. 39 billion
Yale. 13,000. 29 billion
Stanford. 17,000. 26 billion

Less money means less resources. By that, Stanford belongs in where it is.


Put that way, it's an interesting point. That said--most gen Y and Zs consider Stanford and Harvard #1 peers.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Statistically it is wrong to to assign a numerical store to its school because the margin of error of its data sources is greater than the difference of the scores.

They should rank schools in tiers:

1. Super elite tier: HYPMS

2. Elite tier (6 - 15): Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, ...

3. Top tier (16 - 30): These schools are equals in terms of prestige and rankings -- UVA, Michigan, UCLA, Cal, CMU, Emory, Georgetown, NYU, USC, Georgia Tech ...

4. Wake Forest, W&M ...




Except, Tier Person, Wake Forest now outranks UVA.


At your "Top Tier" schools like Cal, UCLA, you can live on campus for about 1 year out of 4+ years. At Michigan, perhaps 1.3 out of 4+ years.. At Yale, Harvard, and Princeton, you will live on campus for all 4 years. These aren't even remotely the same type of schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is Stanford not ranked top 5?


Because it’s 6.


What makes you think Stanford should be in the top tier with Princeton, Harvard, or Yale? Look at their endowment.
School. Enrollment. Endowment
Princeton. 8,000. 25 billion
Harvard. 20,000. 39 billion
Yale. 13,000. 29 billion
Stanford. 17,000. 26 billion

Less money means less resources. By that, Stanford belongs in where it is.


Put that way, it's an interesting point. That said--most gen Y and Zs consider Stanford and Harvard #1 peers.


But here's a counterpoint: In annual fundraising, over the last 12 years, Stanford has been tops 9 and Harvard 3. Stanford professors and associate professors are the highest paid, and assistant professors are the second highest paid.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone even care about any of the schools ranked outside the Top 25?


Yes. And is there a sudden invisible cutoff between 25 and 26?


I really think a good consistent list of top schools is to look at is how College Confidential organizes it. There are the ivies in one category, top universities in another, and then top liberal arts colleges. This is consistent and is not ranked.

Ivies:
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Penn
Princeton
Yale

Top universities:
Berkekely
UCLA
Cal Tech
Carnegie Mellon
Chicago
Duke
Emory
Georgetown
Hopkins
MIT
Michigan
Chapel Hill
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Stanford
Tulane
UVA
Vanderbilt
Wash U

Top Liberal Arts Colleges:
Amherst
Barnard
Bates
Bowdoin
Bryn Mayr
Carleton
Claremont
Colby
Colgate
Davidson
Grinnell
Hamilton
Harvey Mudd
Haverford
Kenyon
Macalester
Middlebury
Mount Holyoke
Oberlin
Pomona
Reed
Smith
Swarthmore
Trinity
Vassar
Washington & Lee
Wellesley
Wesleyan
Whitman
Williams

All other schools in one separate batch alphabetically.

Simple, clean.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone even care about any of the schools ranked outside the Top 25?


Well there are two lists, the national universities and the Liberal Arts colleges. Would you include the Liberal Arts colleges in this question?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Statistically it is wrong to to assign a numerical store to its school because the margin of error of its data sources is greater than the difference of the scores.

They should rank schools in tiers:

1. Super elite tier: HYPMS

2. Elite tier (6 - 15): Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, ...

3. Top tier (16 - 30): These schools are equals in terms of prestige and rankings -- UVA, Michigan, UCLA, Cal, CMU, Emory, Georgetown, NYU, USC, Georgia Tech ...

4. Wake Forest, W&M ...




Except, Tier Person, Wake Forest now outranks UVA.


At your "Top Tier" schools like Cal, UCLA, you can live on campus for about 1 year out of 4+ years. At Michigan, perhaps 1.3 out of 4+ years.. At Yale, Harvard, and Princeton, you will live on campus for all 4 years. These aren't even remotely the same type of schools.


Idiot, you can live on campus all 4 years at Michigan. In fact, seniors who have lived on campus for 3 years have top pick for housing their senior year.

If you’re going to criticize schools at least learn basic facts about them.

Also, are you trying to say they don’t have the money to provide housing? Michigan’s endowment is 12 billion—9th highest in the country.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone even care about any of the schools ranked outside the Top 25?


Yes. And is there a sudden invisible cutoff between 25 and 26?


I really think a good consistent list of top schools is to look at is how College Confidential organizes it. There are the ivies in one category, top universities in another, and then top liberal arts colleges. This is consistent and is not ranked.

Ivies:
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Penn
Princeton
Yale

Top universities:
Berkekely
UCLA
Cal Tech
Carnegie Mellon
Chicago
Duke
Emory
Georgetown
Hopkins
MIT
Michigan
Chapel Hill
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Stanford
Tulane
UVA
Vanderbilt
Wash U

Top Liberal Arts Colleges:
Amherst
Barnard
Bates
Bowdoin
Bryn Mayr
Carleton
Claremont
Colby
Colgate
Davidson
Grinnell
Hamilton
Harvey Mudd
Haverford
Kenyon
Macalester
Middlebury
Mount Holyoke
Oberlin
Pomona
Reed
Smith
Swarthmore
Trinity
Vassar
Washington & Lee
Wellesley
Wesleyan
Whitman
Williams

All other schools in one separate batch alphabetically.

Simple, clean.


Huh? The Ivies are not necessarily better than other top schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone even care about any of the schools ranked outside the Top 25?


Yes. And is there a sudden invisible cutoff between 25 and 26?


I really think a good consistent list of top schools is to look at is how College Confidential organizes it. There are the ivies in one category, top universities in another, and then top liberal arts colleges. This is consistent and is not ranked.

Ivies:
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Penn
Princeton
Yale

Top universities:
Berkekely
UCLA
Cal Tech
Carnegie Mellon
Chicago
Duke
Emory
Georgetown
Hopkins
MIT
Michigan
Chapel Hill
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Stanford
Tulane
UVA
Vanderbilt
Wash U

Top Liberal Arts Colleges:
Amherst
Barnard
Bates
Bowdoin
Bryn Mayr
Carleton
Claremont
Colby
Colgate
Davidson
Grinnell
Hamilton
Harvey Mudd
Haverford
Kenyon
Macalester
Middlebury
Mount Holyoke
Oberlin
Pomona
Reed
Smith
Swarthmore
Trinity
Vassar
Washington & Lee
Wellesley
Wesleyan
Whitman
Williams

All other schools in one separate batch alphabetically.

Simple, clean.


Huh? The Ivies are not necessarily better than other top schools.


Nobody is saying that. It is just a way to organize top schools. They are all top schools, just not ranked. Ivy League is what it is.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone even care about any of the schools ranked outside the Top 25?


Yes. And is there a sudden invisible cutoff between 25 and 26?


I really think a good consistent list of top schools is to look at is how College Confidential organizes it. There are the ivies in one category, top universities in another, and then top liberal arts colleges. This is consistent and is not ranked.

Ivies:
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Penn
Princeton
Yale

Top universities:
Berkekely
UCLA
Cal Tech
Carnegie Mellon
Chicago
Duke
Emory
Georgetown
Hopkins
MIT
Michigan
Chapel Hill
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Stanford
Tulane
UVA
Vanderbilt
Wash U

Top Liberal Arts Colleges:
Amherst
Barnard
Bates
Bowdoin
Bryn Mayr
Carleton
Claremont
Colby
Colgate
Davidson
Grinnell
Hamilton
Harvey Mudd
Haverford
Kenyon
Macalester
Middlebury
Mount Holyoke
Oberlin
Pomona
Reed
Smith
Swarthmore
Trinity
Vassar
Washington & Lee
Wellesley
Wesleyan
Whitman
Williams

All other schools in one separate batch alphabetically.

Simple, clean.


Huh? The Ivies are not necessarily better than other top schools.


Nobody is saying that. It is just a way to organize top schools. They are all top schools, just not ranked. Ivy League is what it is.


It’s an athletic league. That’s what it is. Like the Big Ten. It was established in 1954, so the concept isn’t even that old.
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