Va. man brutally beaten 10 years ago dies from his injuries - what now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Try it in the court of public opinion so their lives are ruined. Every time someone googles their names, their victim’s picture and story should be the first thing that pops. For the rest of their lives.

Is that not harassment?
You got to let go.
Law doesn't always work out right. We cannot prosecute every one who was in a fight 10 years ago. The cause of death could be anything, people grow old and die, make poor health and diet decisions, have undiagnosed medical conditions

Let it go. Revenge is futile

Especially when it's revenge on behalf of strangers because people don't know how to deal with their own rage issues in a more constructive way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

Walking down that street was the last decision that Ryan made for himself. After his assault he was rendered completely helpless, immobile, unconscious, unaware. That is no life. His body is now dead but he lost his life 10 years ago.

“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

From a policy perspective, we want closure and we don't want crimes to linger over someone for years or indefinitely. That's why we have statutes of limitation. But murder is different. There's no statute of limitations for murder. The common law year and a day rule can be extended, especially in these circumstances with the victim in a persistent vegetative state.

And West Virginia is free to overturn that rule whenever they like. Apparently they haven't felt the need to do so.

He hadn't died yet. There hadn't yet been a reason to.

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Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

Walking down that street was the last decision that Ryan made for himself. After his assault he was rendered completely helpless, immobile, unconscious, unaware. That is no life. His body is now dead but he lost his life 10 years ago.

“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

From a policy perspective, we want closure and we don't want crimes to linger over someone for years or indefinitely. That's why we have statutes of limitation. But murder is different. There's no statute of limitations for murder. The common law year and a day rule can be extended, especially in these circumstances with the victim in a persistent vegetative state.

And West Virginia is free to overturn that rule whenever they like. Apparently they haven't felt the need to do so.

He hadn't died yet. There hadn't yet been a reason to.

You think this is the first time this kind of situation has come up in West Virginia?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

Walking down that street was the last decision that Ryan made for himself. After his assault he was rendered completely helpless, immobile, unconscious, unaware. That is no life. His body is now dead but he lost his life 10 years ago.

“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

From a policy perspective, we want closure and we don't want crimes to linger over someone for years or indefinitely. That's why we have statutes of limitation. But murder is different. There's no statute of limitations for murder. The common law year and a day rule can be extended, especially in these circumstances with the victim in a persistent vegetative state.

And West Virginia is free to overturn that rule whenever they like. Apparently they haven't felt the need to do so.

He hadn't died yet. There hadn't yet been a reason to.

You think this is the first time this kind of situation has come up in West Virginia?

Yes. It's not a common set of facts. Not a common situation.

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Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

Walking down that street was the last decision that Ryan made for himself. After his assault he was rendered completely helpless, immobile, unconscious, unaware. That is no life. His body is now dead but he lost his life 10 years ago.

“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

From a policy perspective, we want closure and we don't want crimes to linger over someone for years or indefinitely. That's why we have statutes of limitation. But murder is different. There's no statute of limitations for murder. The common law year and a day rule can be extended, especially in these circumstances with the victim in a persistent vegetative state.

And West Virginia is free to overturn that rule whenever they like. Apparently they haven't felt the need to do so.

He hadn't died yet. There hadn't yet been a reason to.

You think this is the first time this kind of situation has come up in West Virginia?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Try it in the court of public opinion so their lives are ruined. Every time someone googles their names, their victim’s picture and story should be the first thing that pops. For the rest of their lives.

Is that not harassment?
You got to let go.
Law doesn't always work out right. We cannot prosecute every one who was in a fight 10 years ago. The cause of death could be anything, people grow old and die, make poor health and diet decisions, have undiagnosed medical conditions

Let it go. Revenge is futile

Especially when it's revenge on behalf of strangers because people don't know how to deal with their own rage issues in a more constructive way.

Isn't it just a natural consequence that when you violently beat another human being into a vegetative state, and your victim dies, your name will always and forever associated with his death? How is that not 100% predictable?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

Walking down that street was the last decision that Ryan made for himself. After his assault he was rendered completely helpless, immobile, unconscious, unaware. That is no life. His body is now dead but he lost his life 10 years ago.

“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

From a policy perspective, we want closure and we don't want crimes to linger over someone for years or indefinitely. That's why we have statutes of limitation. But murder is different. There's no statute of limitations for murder. The common law year and a day rule can be extended, especially in these circumstances with the victim in a persistent vegetative state.

And West Virginia is free to overturn that rule whenever they like. Apparently they haven't felt the need to do so.

He hadn't died yet. There hadn't yet been a reason to.

You think this is the first time this kind of situation has come up in West Virginia?

Yes. It's not a common set of facts. Not a common situation.

You think there's never been a case in West Virginia in even just the past twenty years when someone was injured by another person and then died over a year later from complications related to that injury? Not a single case?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Try it in the court of public opinion so their lives are ruined. Every time someone googles their names, their victim’s picture and story should be the first thing that pops. For the rest of their lives.

Is that not harassment?
You got to let go.
Law doesn't always work out right. We cannot prosecute every one who was in a fight 10 years ago. The cause of death could be anything, people grow old and die, make poor health and diet decisions, have undiagnosed medical conditions

Let it go. Revenge is futile

Especially when it's revenge on behalf of strangers because people don't know how to deal with their own rage issues in a more constructive way.

Isn't it just a natural consequence that when you violently beat another human being into a vegetative state, and your victim dies, your name will always and forever associated with his death? How is that not 100% predictable?

You would still struggle with rage issues even if this incident never happened, you'd just find something else to project them onto.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

Walking down that street was the last decision that Ryan made for himself. After his assault he was rendered completely helpless, immobile, unconscious, unaware. That is no life. His body is now dead but he lost his life 10 years ago.

“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

From a policy perspective, we want closure and we don't want crimes to linger over someone for years or indefinitely. That's why we have statutes of limitation. But murder is different. There's no statute of limitations for murder. The common law year and a day rule can be extended, especially in these circumstances with the victim in a persistent vegetative state.

And West Virginia is free to overturn that rule whenever they like. Apparently they haven't felt the need to do so.

He hadn't died yet. There hadn't yet been a reason to.

You think this is the first time this kind of situation has come up in West Virginia?

Yes. It's not a common set of facts. Not a common situation.

You think there's never been a case in West Virginia in even just the past twenty years when someone was injured by another person and then died over a year later from complications related to that injury? Not a single case?

Perhaps, perhaps not
A year is a long time. A sentence already passed and completed is also a long time

People in vegetative states die from all kinds of reasons, including lack of adequate care. Sometimes it is deliberate. Hospitals do and can help people die

[Anonymous]

He didn’t survive the attack.
He was being kept alive, but he didn’t actually survive the attack.
That’s not the same as eventually dying years later.
Not even close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Try it in the court of public opinion so their lives are ruined. Every time someone googles their names, their victim’s picture and story should be the first thing that pops. For the rest of their lives.

Is that not harassment?
You got to let go.
Law doesn't always work out right. We cannot prosecute every one who was in a fight 10 years ago. The cause of death could be anything, people grow old and die, make poor health and diet decisions, have undiagnosed medical conditions

Let it go. Revenge is futile

Especially when it's revenge on behalf of strangers because people don't know how to deal with their own rage issues in a more constructive way.

Isn't it just a natural consequence that when you violently beat another human being into a vegetative state, and your victim dies, your name will always and forever associated with his death? How is that not 100% predictable?

You would still struggle with rage issues even if this incident never happened, you'd just find something else to project them onto.

Well, gee, I am not the one who punted another human being's head like a football. Would I want a person like that coaching my child in little league? No freakin' way. The person with the rage issue is not me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t survive the attack.
He was being kept alive, but he didn’t actually survive the attack.
That’s not the same as eventually dying years later.
Not even close.

This. His parents kept his body alive hoping that a miracle cure would one day bring him back to them. Sadly, that was not to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He didn’t survive the attack.
He was being kept alive, but he didn’t actually survive the attack.
That’s not the same as eventually dying years later.
Not even close.

This. His parents kept his body alive hoping that a miracle cure would one day bring him back to them. Sadly, that was not to be.

There are some wonderfully cynical posters here who believe because his family chose hope, they forfeited justice.
His parents should not have been forced make that choice.
It’s a miscarriage of justice, and hopefully will be corrected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t survive the attack.
He was being kept alive, but he didn’t actually survive the attack.
That’s not the same as eventually dying years later.
Not even close.

This. His parents kept his body alive hoping that a miracle cure would one day bring him back to them. Sadly, that was not to be.

There are some wonderfully cynical posters here who believe because his family chose hope, they forfeited justice.
His parents should not have been forced make that choice.
It’s a miscarriage of justice, and hopefully will be corrected.

+10000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Try it in the court of public opinion so their lives are ruined. Every time someone googles their names, their victim’s picture and story should be the first thing that pops. For the rest of their lives.

Is that not harassment?
You got to let go.
Law doesn't always work out right. We cannot prosecute every one who was in a fight 10 years ago. The cause of death could be anything, people grow old and die, make poor health and diet decisions, have undiagnosed medical conditions

Let it go. Revenge is futile

Especially when it's revenge on behalf of strangers because people don't know how to deal with their own rage issues in a more constructive way.

Isn't it just a natural consequence that when you violently beat another human being into a vegetative state, and your victim dies, your name will always and forever associated with his death? How is that not 100% predictable?

You would still struggle with rage issues even if this incident never happened, you'd just find something else to project them onto.

Well, gee, I am not the one who punted another human being's head like a football. Would I want a person like that coaching my child in little league? No freakin' way. The person with the rage issue is not me.

No, you just like to toss out that phrase over and over again to attention whore off another family's tragedy. It's so gross.