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Anonymous wrote:Frankly... I’m also tired of the comparisons of Kate and Meghan. Their jobs are different. One will be the queen consort one day, as she is married to the heir to the throne. The other is married to his brother, unless something awful happens, will never see the throne.

Do you expect the same things from the CEO of a company, and other, lower level directors?

Aside from that, I’m just going to say this: Kate’s personal wealth comes from her family. Meghan’s is from her own work

DP. I will also say that HG is rough. And having your first baby in your late 30s is rough. I wonder if either of them will make any larger realizations from those experiences.

Such as? A large plurality of women in this area have their first baby in their late 30s/early 40s. We go on with our lives mostly, work, family, volunteering, etc. Even without the resources of the royals. HG is rough, but it is temporary and not life-altering.

I don't know how bad Kate had it but I had it and am in a support group for it on Facebook and for some women it is life altering and calling it temporary is extremely dismissive of the extraordinary pain and suffering some women go through.

If it was that life altering, she would have stopped with the heir and the spare, (basically as required as wife to Wills) and not gone on to a third child.

And no offence meant, but HG is a condition limited by the time frame of pregnancy. I understand it is very traumatic during that time, worrying for your own health and that of the baby. But, the reality is, it is relieved by childbirth. You don’t have to worry about it during day to day life, ever again, unless you decide to become pregnant again.

The reality is, this is a pattern for Kate. She has NEVER had a real job. She worked for her parents, and then worked part time. She quit the part time gig to prepare for being a Royal, and now as a Royal, has more or less avoided full time work in her role. I get that she is a mother of three, but like anyone would say on here; this is a choice. She has a job, for which she is paid and compensated for in terms of housing, etc. She has nannies at her disposal. She has resources that many women don’t have, and is still refusing to set an example of what a woman taking care of business can be.

This is where I have respect for Meghan. She had her own career and wealth already. She is clearly willing to work, even with some mis steps. She will got to Africa if that’s what is required.

As an aside.. if Kate found her HG to be so life altering, she could choose to help awareness, research, medical care, etc. towards that cause. That is her role.
If she beLieves mothers should have 18 months off after birth to care for their children, she could support that cause. Or at least support women who don’t have the types of resources she has.

Of course, her patronage is mostly based on sport and the like (croquet / lawn tennis / sailing / art).

https://www.royal.uk/charities-and-patronages?name=&mrf=2917&field_themes_target_id=&field_world_region_value=&page=1

I am the PP who has/had HG and is in the support group and I actually really agree that she should be doing more to bring awareness to it.

And you can say it is cured by pregnancy but you can tell that to the women who's teeth have all started rotting from the repeated vomit, from the women who have permanent renal damage or the women who lost their jobs/homes because they couldn't work, to the women who's finances are destroyed by $1000 a month in ER visits for fluids for 9 months. But I know, severe HG isn't the topic of this thread and she had better medical care for it than most women get. The HG community in general is happy that the fact that she had it brought awareness but let me tell you after having been through it myself, if I had a platform like hers I would be using it to bring awareness to HG.

But see.. this is where Kate COULD be working. I never thought of the implications, because I didn’t have HG. But let’s be real: Kate is not suffering dental implications, electrolyte imbalances, job loss, or any of it, no this would be a decent cause for her to take on. 18 months or whatever it is on, she could reasonably carrying a workload.

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly... I’m also tired of the comparisons of Kate and Meghan. Their jobs are different. One will be the queen consort one day, as she is married to the heir to the throne. The other is married to his brother, unless something awful happens, will never see the throne.

Do you expect the same things from the CEO of a company, and other, lower level directors?

Aside from that, I’m just going to say this: Kate’s personal wealth comes from her family. Meghan’s is from her own work

DP. I will also say that HG is rough. And having your first baby in your late 30s is rough. I wonder if either of them will make any larger realizations from those experiences.

Such as? A large plurality of women in this area have their first baby in their late 30s/early 40s. We go on with our lives mostly, work, family, volunteering, etc. Even without the resources of the royals. HG is rough, but it is temporary and not life-altering.

I don't know how bad Kate had it but I had it and am in a support group for it on Facebook and for some women it is life altering and calling it temporary is extremely dismissive of the extraordinary pain and suffering some women go through.

If it was that life altering, she would have stopped with the heir and the spare, (basically as required as wife to Wills) and not gone on to a third child.

And no offence meant, but HG is a condition limited by the time frame of pregnancy. I understand it is very traumatic during that time, worrying for your own health and that of the baby. But, the reality is, it is relieved by childbirth. You don’t have to worry about it during day to day life, ever again, unless you decide to become pregnant again.

The reality is, this is a pattern for Kate. She has NEVER had a real job. She worked for her parents, and then worked part time. She quit the part time gig to prepare for being a Royal, and now as a Royal, has more or less avoided full time work in her role. I get that she is a mother of three, but like anyone would say on here; this is a choice. She has a job, for which she is paid and compensated for in terms of housing, etc. She has nannies at her disposal. She has resources that many women don’t have, and is still refusing to set an example of what a woman taking care of business can be.

This is where I have respect for Meghan. She had her own career and wealth already. She is clearly willing to work, even with some mis steps. She will got to Africa if that’s what is required.

As an aside.. if Kate found her HG to be so life altering, she could choose to help awareness, research, medical care, etc. towards that cause. That is her role.
If she beLieves mothers should have 18 months off after birth to care for their children, she could support that cause. Or at least support women who don’t have the types of resources she has.

Of course, her patronage is mostly based on sport and the like (croquet / lawn tennis / sailing / art).

https://www.royal.uk/charities-and-patronages?name=&mrf=2917&field_themes_target_id=&field_world_region_value=&page=1

I am the PP who has/had HG and is in the support group and I actually really agree that she should be doing more to bring awareness to it.

And you can say it is cured by pregnancy but you can tell that to the women who's teeth have all started rotting from the repeated vomit, from the women who have permanent renal damage or the women who lost their jobs/homes because they couldn't work, to the women who's finances are destroyed by $1000 a month in ER visits for fluids for 9 months. But I know, severe HG isn't the topic of this thread and she had better medical care for it than most women get. The HG community in general is happy that the fact that she had it brought awareness but let me tell you after having been through it myself, if I had a platform like hers I would be using it to bring awareness to HG.

But see.. this is where Kate COULD be working. I never thought of the implications, because I didn’t have HG. But let’s be real: Kate is not suffering dental implications, electrolyte imbalances, job loss, or any of it, no this would be a decent cause for her to take on. 18 months or whatever it is on, she could reasonably carrying a workload.

I totally agree. Amy Schumer did more to bring awareness to what it really is like than Kate did. And it really is a condition that is lacking tremendously in support and research. Many women are still told it is psychosomatic and proof that they don't want their babies. As they literally suffer endlessly to bring them to term.

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The reality is, this is a pattern for Kate. She has NEVER had a real job. She worked for her parents, and then worked part time. She quit the part time gig to prepare for being a Royal, and now as a Royal, has more or less avoided full time work in her role. I get that she is a mother of three, but like anyone would say on here; this is a choice. She has a job, for which she is paid and compensated for in terms of housing, etc. She has nannies at her disposal. She has resources that many women don’t have, and is still refusing to set an example of what a woman taking care of business can be.

As someone who worked in my family business for 15 years beginning at age 15, I disagree that working in a family business is not a 'real' job. It may be different from a job that you have to compete for but it is very much a real job.

I think this really boils down to your narrow perception of 'job'. Kate's 'job' is however she defines her role as the Duchess of Cambridge. Same with Meghan as the Duchess of Sussex. They're jobs are in 'the family business' of the royal family. It's a job and role that the family gets to define, not the public.

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The reality is, this is a pattern for Kate. She has NEVER had a real job. She worked for her parents, and then worked part time. She quit the part time gig to prepare for being a Royal, and now as a Royal, has more or less avoided full time work in her role. I get that she is a mother of three, but like anyone would say on here; this is a choice. She has a job, for which she is paid and compensated for in terms of housing, etc. She has nannies at her disposal. She has resources that many women don’t have, and is still refusing to set an example of what a woman taking care of business can be.

As someone who worked in my family business for 15 years beginning at age 15, I disagree that working in a family business is not a 'real' job. It may be different from a job that you have to compete for but it is very much a real job.

I think this really boils down to your narrow perception of 'job'. Kate's 'job' is however she defines her role as the Duchess of Cambridge. Same with Meghan as the Duchess of Sussex. They're jobs are in 'the family business' of the royal family. It's a job and role that the family gets to define, not the public.

No, Kate’s job is not her determination, but rather how her boss, the Monarchy, and the Public Of the UK, define her role. Because it’s a family business, doesn’t get you out of work, especially when you’re supposed to kind of be non profit, and part of your wages are publicly funded.

And it’s their, both they’re.

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The reality is, this is a pattern for Kate. She has NEVER had a real job. She worked for her parents, and then worked part time. She quit the part time gig to prepare for being a Royal, and now as a Royal, has more or less avoided full time work in her role. I get that she is a mother of three, but like anyone would say on here; this is a choice. She has a job, for which she is paid and compensated for in terms of housing, etc. She has nannies at her disposal. She has resources that many women don’t have, and is still refusing to set an example of what a woman taking care of business can be.

As someone who worked in my family business for 15 years beginning at age 15, I disagree that working in a family business is not a 'real' job. It may be different from a job that you have to compete for but it is very much a real job.

I think this really boils down to your narrow perception of 'job'. Kate's 'job' is however she defines her role as the Duchess of Cambridge. Same with Meghan as the Duchess of Sussex. They're jobs are in 'the family business' of the royal family. It's a job and role that the family gets to define, not the public.

I get it. I worked with my DH in his business for years, on top of my own full time job.

The point is the Middleton’s Have been pushing for Kate to be a Royal for years. You really think she had a “real” job? Why would someone with a degree in arts go work for their parents party planning business?

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As an aside.. if Kate found her HG to be so life altering, she could choose to help awareness, research, medical care, etc. towards that cause. That is her role.
If she beLieves mothers should have 18 months off after birth to care for their children, she could support that cause. Or at least support women who don’t have the types of resources she has.

Of course, her patronage is mostly based on sport and the like (croquet / lawn tennis / sailing / art).

https://www.royal.uk/charities-and-patronages?name=&mrf=2917&field_themes_target_id=&field_world_region_value=&page=1



I am the PP who has/had HG and is in the support group and I actually really agree that she should be doing more to bring awareness to it.

And you can say it is cured by pregnancy but you can tell that to the women who's teeth have all started rotting from the repeated vomit, from the women who have permanent renal damage or the women who lost their jobs/homes because they couldn't work, to the women who's finances are destroyed by $1000 a month in ER visits for fluids for 9 months. But I know, severe HG isn't the topic of this thread and she had better medical care for it than most women get. The HG community in general is happy that the fact that she had it brought awareness but let me tell you after having been through it myself, if I had a platform like hers I would be using it to bring awareness to HG.

But see.. this is where Kate COULD be working. I never thought of the implications, because I didn’t have HG. But let’s be real: Kate is not suffering dental implications, electrolyte imbalances, job loss, or any of it, no this would be a decent cause for her to take on. 18 months or whatever it is on, she could reasonably carrying a workload.

I totally agree. Amy Schumer did more to bring awareness to what it really is like than Kate did. And it really is a condition that is lacking tremendously in support and research. Many women are still told it is psychosomatic and proof that they don't want their babies. As they literally suffer endlessly to bring them to term.

British upper classes do not discuss he details of pregnancy and related medical conditions.

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The reality is, this is a pattern for Kate. She has NEVER had a real job. She worked for her parents, and then worked part time. She quit the part time gig to prepare for being a Royal, and now as a Royal, has more or less avoided full time work in her role. I get that she is a mother of three, but like anyone would say on here; this is a choice. She has a job, for which she is paid and compensated for in terms of housing, etc. She has nannies at her disposal. She has resources that many women don’t have, and is still refusing to set an example of what a woman taking care of business can be.

As someone who worked in my family business for 15 years beginning at age 15, I disagree that working in a family business is not a 'real' job. It may be different from a job that you have to compete for but it is very much a real job.

I think this really boils down to your narrow perception of 'job'. Kate's 'job' is however she defines her role as the Duchess of Cambridge. Same with Meghan as the Duchess of Sussex. They're jobs are in 'the family business' of the royal family. It's a job and role that the family gets to define, not the public.

No, Kate’s job is not her determination, but rather how her boss, the Monarchy, and the Public Of the UK, define her role. Because it’s a family business, doesn’t get you out of work, especially when you’re supposed to kind of be non profit, and part of your wages are publicly funded.

And it’s their, both they’re.

See the bolded part. The public has no input into defining the jobs of Kate and Meghan nor are they accountable to the public in how much/little they do. As with anyone, you make the best decision for you and your family even if the extended family doesn't agree or like it. If the Queen or POW don't like what their kids are doing, they always have the option of cutting them off personally and financially as any parent does. The only difference is they are far, far more in the public eye. That does't mean the public gets any input no matter their opinions.

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The reality is, this is a pattern for Kate. She has NEVER had a real job. She worked for her parents, and then worked part time. She quit the part time gig to prepare for being a Royal, and now as a Royal, has more or less avoided full time work in her role. I get that she is a mother of three, but like anyone would say on here; this is a choice. She has a job, for which she is paid and compensated for in terms of housing, etc. She has nannies at her disposal. She has resources that many women don’t have, and is still refusing to set an example of what a woman taking care of business can be.

As someone who worked in my family business for 15 years beginning at age 15, I disagree that working in a family business is not a 'real' job. It may be different from a job that you have to compete for but it is very much a real job.

I think this really boils down to your narrow perception of 'job'. Kate's 'job' is however she defines her role as the Duchess of Cambridge. Same with Meghan as the Duchess of Sussex. They're jobs are in 'the family business' of the royal family. It's a job and role that the family gets to define, not the public.

I get it. I worked with my DH in his business for years, on top of my own full time job.

The point is the Middleton’s Have been pushing for Kate to be a Royal for years. You really think she had a “real” job? Why would someone with a degree in arts go work for their parents party planning business?

How many people with an Art History degree work in their field? None that I know of and I'm 50. The people I know with Art History degrees have a wide variety of day jobs, none dealing with Art History. Again, you have a very narrow definition of 'real job'. Have you even looked at what Kate did after getting a Master's degree (with Honors)? I did a cursory look online for information regarding Kate's work after graduating from college? She worked for about 2 years as an accessories buyer for a British retailer. She then worked for her parent's event planning company as a photographer, website designer, and marketing officer. That aligns really well with her Art History degree. Was her work strategic, innovative or standard setting? Probably not, but you can't say it's not 'real' work unless, of course, you don't think people in the wedding/event industry do 'real' work for their clients. If she didn't do that work well, you can bet clients wouldn't be happy and business would suffer.

And, so what if the Middletons pushed their DDs towards royalty? What does that have to do with anything? Sounds like you're buying into the class issue that still pervades the UK and/or are jealous. Are you this judgement about other celebrity couples? What do you think of Matt Damon marrying a waitress who had a kid from a previous relationship? Do you think her parents were pushing her to marry an A-level celebrity?

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As an aside.. if Kate found her HG to be so life altering, she could choose to help awareness, research, medical care, etc. towards that cause. That is her role.
If she beLieves mothers should have 18 months off after birth to care for their children, she could support that cause. Or at least support women who don’t have the types of resources she has.

Of course, her patronage is mostly based on sport and the like (croquet / lawn tennis / sailing / art).

https://www.royal.uk/charities-and-patronages?name=&mrf=2917&field_themes_target_id=&field_world_region_value=&page=1



I am the PP who has/had HG and is in the support group and I actually really agree that she should be doing more to bring awareness to it.

And you can say it is cured by pregnancy but you can tell that to the women who's teeth have all started rotting from the repeated vomit, from the women who have permanent renal damage or the women who lost their jobs/homes because they couldn't work, to the women who's finances are destroyed by $1000 a month in ER visits for fluids for 9 months. But I know, severe HG isn't the topic of this thread and she had better medical care for it than most women get. The HG community in general is happy that the fact that she had it brought awareness but let me tell you after having been through it myself, if I had a platform like hers I would be using it to bring awareness to HG.

But see.. this is where Kate COULD be working. I never thought of the implications, because I didn’t have HG. But let’s be real: Kate is not suffering dental implications, electrolyte imbalances, job loss, or any of it, no this would be a decent cause for her to take on. 18 months or whatever it is on, she could reasonably carrying a workload.

I totally agree. Amy Schumer did more to bring awareness to what it really is like than Kate did. And it really is a condition that is lacking tremendously in support and research. Many women are still told it is psychosomatic and proof that they don't want their babies. As they literally suffer endlessly to bring them to term.

British upper classes do not discuss he details of pregnancy and related medical conditions.

Are you saying this is a good thing? Women need top task about this stuff in order to secure adequate healthcare

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As an aside.. if Kate found her HG to be so life altering, she could choose to help awareness, research, medical care, etc. towards that cause. That is her role.
If she beLieves mothers should have 18 months off after birth to care for their children, she could support that cause. Or at least support women who don’t have the types of resources she has.

Of course, her patronage is mostly based on sport and the like (croquet / lawn tennis / sailing / art).

https://www.royal.uk/charities-and-patronages?name=&mrf=2917&field_themes_target_id=&field_world_region_value=&page=1

I am the PP who has/had HG and is in the support group and I actually really agree that she should be doing more to bring awareness to it.

And you can say it is cured by pregnancy but you can tell that to the women who's teeth have all started rotting from the repeated vomit, from the women who have permanent renal damage or the women who lost their jobs/homes because they couldn't work, to the women who's finances are destroyed by $1000 a month in ER visits for fluids for 9 months. But I know, severe HG isn't the topic of this thread and she had better medical care for it than most women get. The HG community in general is happy that the fact that she had it brought awareness but let me tell you after having been through it myself, if I had a platform like hers I would be using it to bring awareness to HG.

But see.. this is where Kate COULD be working. I never thought of the implications, because I didn’t have HG. But let’s be real: Kate is not suffering dental implications, electrolyte imbalances, job loss, or any of it, no this would be a decent cause for her to take on. 18 months or whatever it is on, she could reasonably carrying a workload.

I totally agree. Amy Schumer did more to bring awareness to what it really is like than Kate did. And it really is a condition that is lacking tremendously in support and research. Many women are still told it is psychosomatic and proof that they don't want their babies. As they literally suffer endlessly to bring them to term.

British upper classes do not discuss he details of pregnancy and related medical conditions.

Are you saying this is a good thing? Women need top task about this stuff in order to secure adequate healthcare

The PP is also wrong. Just because they believe something doesn't make it true. The British upper classes absolutely do discuss pregnancy and related medical conditions.

After Sophie, the Countess of Wessex, went through a public miscarriage and two nearly-fatal pregnancies she became the patron of the Royal London Hospital, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, St John Ambulance, and Thames Valley Air Ambulance. All of which played a role in saving her and her children's lives. She raises money and supports them in their causes to help other women.

Princess Eugenie, the blood Royal, was born with scoliosis -- a curvature of the back. Not only did she become Patron of the organization that did her corrective surgery over childhood, the Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital, but she also made it the central part of her wedding day by wearing a dress prominently featuring the scar and talking about it.
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a25665425/princess-eugenie-scoliosis-operation-childhood-interview/
http://www.rnohcharity.org/the-appeal/princess-eugenie-s-story

Kate could do more, even by just becoming a respected advocate and speaker on the topics she'd intimately familiar with...that have nothing to do with rich women's fantasies of gardening and tennis.

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.....Kate could do more, even by just becoming a respected advocate and speaker on the topics she'd intimately familiar with...that have nothing to do with rich women's fantasies of gardening and tennis.

Puh-lease. Couldn't we ALL do more? Why all the hate? Seriously. Are you the same person who's spouting that Meghan was asked to leave Highgrove because she was late to someone's birthday party? I don't follow the royals but even I know that Kate is a big supporter of mental health work and children's health. A quick google search lead me to this https://www.royal.uk/the-duchess-of-cambridge. There is a lot more there than gardening and tennis - and so what if there are some sports organizations in there? Sports and physical activity are really worthwhile things. Just because you think she should focus on HG doesn't mean she should. You do you.

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.....Kate could do more, even by just becoming a respected advocate and speaker on the topics she'd intimately familiar with...that have nothing to do with rich women's fantasies of gardening and tennis.

Puh-lease. Couldn't we ALL do more? Why all the hate? Seriously. Are you the same person who's spouting that Meghan was asked to leave Highgrove because she was late to someone's birthday party? I don't follow the royals but even I know that Kate is a big supporter of mental health work and children's health. A quick google search lead me to this https://www.royal.uk/the-duchess-of-cambridge. There is a lot more there than gardening and tennis - and so what if there are some sports organizations in there? Sports and physical activity are really worthwhile things. Just because you think she should focus on HG doesn't mean she should. You do you.

No and no.

What Kate is a big supporter of is SEEMING like she's a big supporter of mental health work and children's health.

She announces initiatives like Broken Britain and the Nursing Now campaign and never does anything with them. No follow-up, no launching of foundations/charities, no annual reports, no fundraising, no speeches, no advocacy.

Her periodic cutesy photos with 5-year-olds don't cut it. Other princesses and queens lead round-tables, host forums, do speeches, appear before the UN, and even convene actual organizations.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6169611/Duchess-Cambridge-launches-solo-charity-campaign-help-disadvantaged-children.html

https://nurse.org/articles/kate-middleton-nursing-now-2020-reunites-midwife/

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The funny thing I find about Kate (and William's) focus on mental health and early childhood support -- one of the great fields were everything is 'immaterial'. There's no concrete data or facts to judge them by so they can skate by periodically releasing a statement or picture on the subject without any actual work done on the subject. I mean they could do something like raise $5M a year so that every child in Britain receives a book on their first birthday but they won't. That would take accountability.

Unlike say Camilla's focus on domestic violence where she finances actual shelters and 1,000s of ready kits for women who've suffered abuse or Charles's Prince's Trust which provides actual jobs to at-risk youth and has for decades, or Harry's focus on soldiers and the Invictus Games -- where he's brought together 38 countries and representative teams with wounded veterans.

Clear actions with tangible results matter.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny thing I find about Kate (and William's) focus on mental health and early childhood support -- one of the great fields were everything is 'immaterial'. There's no concrete data or facts to judge them by so they can skate by periodically releasing a statement or picture on the subject without any actual work done on the subject. I mean they could do something like raise $5M a year so that every child in Britain receives a book on their first birthday but they won't. That would take accountability.

Unlike say Camilla's focus on domestic violence where she finances actual shelters and 1,000s of ready kits for women who've suffered abuse or Charles's Prince's Trust which provides actual jobs to at-risk youth and has for decades, or Harry's focus on soldiers and the Invictus Games -- where he's brought together 38 countries and representative teams with wounded veterans.

Clear actions with tangible results matter.

so...they should do nothing about mental health? not support community centers that help young people? not help set up a phone call hotline? your logic is, um... not logical....

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Anonymous wrote:The funny thing I find about Kate (and William's) focus on mental health and early childhood support -- one of the great fields were everything is 'immaterial'. There's no concrete data or facts to judge them by so they can skate by periodically releasing a statement or picture on the subject without any actual work done on the subject. I mean they could do something like raise $5M a year so that every child in Britain receives a book on their first birthday but they won't. That would take accountability.

Unlike say Camilla's focus on domestic violence where she finances actual shelters and 1,000s of ready kits for women who've suffered abuse or Charles's Prince's Trust which provides actual jobs to at-risk youth and has for decades, or Harry's focus on soldiers and the Invictus Games -- where he's brought together 38 countries and representative teams with wounded veterans.

Clear actions with tangible results matter.

so...they should do nothing about mental health? not support community centers that help young people? not help set up a phone call hotline? your logic is, um... not logical....

I think they should do more than they're doing. Occasionally dropping by a community center for a photo op and trying to steal your brother's work with SHOUT UK (check the pictures -- only Meghan and Harry actually did walk-throughs and in-person meetings with SHOUT in Fall 2018 / Kate wasn't even in the video) is not enough.