Any updates on the DOE Investigation on discrimination case for magnet middle schools MCPS

[Anonymous]

I appreciate pulling in the kids who otherwise might not get any accelerated instruction. Wealthy kids would get supplementing at home anyway. Enriched courses with cohort + supplementing that is high-level = magnet for a low income child not being supplemented.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate pulling in the kids who otherwise might not get any accelerated instruction. Wealthy kids would get supplementing at home anyway. Enriched courses with cohort + supplementing that is high-level = magnet for a low income child not being supplemented.

Why does everyone assume that every well off family spends time supplementing outside of school? Nobody I know does this unless their kid is really struggling.

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Also it looks like MCPS lowered the bar on the test scores they now consider to be qualifying for the MS magnets in order to imply that a kid at the 86th percentile from a low performing cluster is as deserving of a spot as a 99th percentile kid from a high performing cluster

Maybe it would help if you stopped thinking of admission to the middle-school magnet program as a prize that you deserve or don't deserve, depending on your test scores.

Not a prize but an experience that many highly gifted children need

I have seen the middle school magnet summer math package. There is no way that the content here is targeting the kid who scores at the 75th percentile in a class of 50th percentile kids. It is very advanced and IMO is appropriate for the 99th percentile kids. So I wish we stop this BS of "Magnet is not a prize for the exceptional, but an opportunity for the outliers". The odds are high that the 75th percentile kid will struggle with the content for the next 3 years.

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Also it looks like MCPS lowered the bar on the test scores they now consider to be qualifying for the MS magnets in order to imply that a kid at the 86th percentile from a low performing cluster is as deserving of a spot as a 99th percentile kid from a high performing cluster

Maybe it would help if you stopped thinking of admission to the middle-school magnet program as a prize that you deserve or don't deserve, depending on your test scores.

Not a prize but an experience that many highly gifted children need

I have seen the middle school magnet summer math package. There is no way that the content here is targeting the kid who scores at the 75th percentile in a class of 50th percentile kids. It is very advanced and IMO is appropriate for the 99th percentile kids. So I wish we stop this BS of "Magnet is not a prize for the exceptional, but an opportunity for the outliers". The odds are high that the 75th percentile kid will struggle with the content for the next 3 years.

I teach in a middle school magnet. We see students struggle no matter their test scores. Some do struggle until they gain the requisite skills. Others struggle because they have never been challenged before and don’t like the feeling of getting a B or not being the first to finish a test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line a few tigers are angry that its harder to get into the magnets now that the application pool is so much larger than in the "good old days", but it also means the real cream of the crop is now in the magnets as opposed to when it was just kids with pushy parents.

Yes. That's all

+100 imagine going through life obsessing where your kid goes to middle school. Bunch of shallow pathetic freaks

Nope. You’re wrong. That’s not it at all.

What it is, is that MCPS is actively denying admission to qualified Asian candidates. Just as it would not be acceptable to deny admission to qualified White/Latino/AA candidates. It is discrimination that MCPS is actively seeking to lower the percentage of Asian students in the Magnet MS.

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This.
Also it looks like MCPS lowered the bar on the test scores they now consider to be qualifying for the MS magnets in order to imply that a kid at the 86th percentile from a low performing cluster is as deserving of a spot as a 99th percentile kid from a high performing cluster

Maybe it would help if you stopped thinking of admission to the middle-school magnet program as a prize that you deserve or don't deserve, depending on your test scores.

Not a prize but an experience that many highly gifted children need

I have seen the middle school magnet summer math package. There is no way that the content here is targeting the kid who scores at the 75th percentile in a class of 50th percentile kids. It is very advanced and IMO is appropriate for the 99th percentile kids. So I wish we stop this BS of "Magnet is not a prize for the exceptional, but an opportunity for the outliers". The odds are high that the 75th percentile kid will struggle with the content for the next 3 years.

I teach in a middle school magnet. We see students struggle no matter their test scores. Some do struggle until they gain the requisite skills. Others struggle because they have never been challenged before and don’t like the feeling of getting a B or not being the first to finish a test.

Please get back to us next year and let us know what you see with this new MS class.

My SIL is a regional CES teacher and has definitely noticed that the 4th graders in her CES class have struggled more than in past years classes. She strongly feels that they have let in less qualified kids. At least with the CES.

[Anonymous]

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This.
Also it looks like MCPS lowered the bar on the test scores they now consider to be qualifying for the MS magnets in order to imply that a kid at the 86th percentile from a low performing cluster is as deserving of a spot as a 99th percentile kid from a high performing cluster

Maybe it would help if you stopped thinking of admission to the middle-school magnet program as a prize that you deserve or don't deserve, depending on your test scores.

Not a prize but an experience that many highly gifted children need

I have seen the middle school magnet summer math package. There is no way that the content here is targeting the kid who scores at the 75th percentile in a class of 50th percentile kids. It is very advanced and IMO is appropriate for the 99th percentile kids. So I wish we stop this BS of "Magnet is not a prize for the exceptional, but an opportunity for the outliers". The odds are high that the 75th percentile kid will struggle with the content for the next 3 years.

I teach in a middle school magnet. We see students struggle no matter their test scores. Some do struggle until they gain the requisite skills. Others struggle because they have never been challenged before and don’t like the feeling of getting a B or not being the first to finish a test.

Please get back to us next year and let us know what you see with this new MS class.

My SIL is a regional CES teacher and has definitely noticed that the 4th graders in her CES class have struggled more than in past years classes. She strongly feels that they have let in less qualified kids. At least with the CES.

I heard the same thing from a CES teacher.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know how much MCPS pays in transportation costs for the magnet programs? Does anyone check how rising gas prices affect this expenditure?

Ending the bussing would provide extra funds that could be used at all schools to provide rigorous instruction, particularly now that it is not being used for the original objective to bring in white and Asian students to balance out the racial makeup of schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line a few tigers are angry that its harder to get into the magnets now that the application pool is so much larger than in the "good old days", but it also means the real cream of the crop is now in the magnets as opposed to when it was just kids with pushy parents.

Yes. That's all

+100 imagine going through life obsessing where your kid goes to middle school. Bunch of shallow pathetic freaks

Nope. You’re wrong. That’s not it at all.

What it is, is that MCPS is actively denying admission to qualified Asian candidates. Just as it would not be acceptable to deny admission to qualified White/Latino/AA candidates. It is discrimination that MCPS is actively seeking to lower the percentage of Asian students in the Magnet MS.

The tin foil hat is cutting off the blood to your brain. Admissions to the magnet is race blind. It also a lot more competitive since the pool of applicants is 5X as big as in the past. I'm sorry it's no longer easy to game the system, but you need to move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much MCPS pays in transportation costs for the magnet programs? Does anyone check how rising gas prices affect this expenditure?

Ending the bussing would provide extra funds that could be used at all schools to provide rigorous instruction, particularly now that it is not being used for the original objective to bring in white and Asian students to balance out the racial makeup of schools.

Probably about half as much as they spend bussing the Kensington kids from nearby Einstein to a W.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
This.
Also it looks like MCPS lowered the bar on the test scores they now consider to be qualifying for the MS magnets in order to imply that a kid at the 86th percentile from a low performing cluster is as deserving of a spot as a 99th percentile kid from a high performing cluster

Maybe it would help if you stopped thinking of admission to the middle-school magnet program as a prize that you deserve or don't deserve, depending on your test scores.

Not a prize but an experience that many highly gifted children need

I have seen the middle school magnet summer math package. There is no way that the content here is targeting the kid who scores at the 75th percentile in a class of 50th percentile kids. It is very advanced and IMO is appropriate for the 99th percentile kids. So I wish we stop this BS of "Magnet is not a prize for the exceptional, but an opportunity for the outliers". The odds are high that the 75th percentile kid will struggle with the content for the next 3 years.

I teach in a middle school magnet. We see students struggle no matter their test scores. Some do struggle until they gain the requisite skills. Others struggle because they have never been challenged before and don’t like the feeling of getting a B or not being the first to finish a test.

Please get back to us next year and let us know what you see with this new MS class.

My SIL is a regional CES teacher and has definitely noticed that the 4th graders in her CES class have struggled more than in past years classes. She strongly feels that they have let in less qualified kids. At least with the CES.

I heard the same thing from a CES teacher.

This was in an article last year.. a teacher was saying that the ability range was much wider now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line a few tigers are angry that its harder to get into the magnets now that the application pool is so much larger than in the "good old days", but it also means the real cream of the crop is now in the magnets as opposed to when it was just kids with pushy parents.

*snort*... even mcps own data shows they are not the cream of the crop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This.
Also it looks like MCPS lowered the bar on the test scores they now consider to be qualifying for the MS magnets in order to imply that a kid at the 86th percentile from a low performing cluster is as deserving of a spot as a 99th percentile kid from a high performing cluster

Maybe it would help if you stopped thinking of admission to the middle-school magnet program as a prize that you deserve or don't deserve, depending on your test scores.

Not a prize but an experience that many highly gifted children need

I have seen the middle school magnet summer math package. There is no way that the content here is targeting the kid who scores at the 75th percentile in a class of 50th percentile kids. It is very advanced and IMO is appropriate for the 99th percentile kids. So I wish we stop this BS of "Magnet is not a prize for the exceptional, but an opportunity for the outliers". The odds are high that the 75th percentile kid will struggle with the content for the next 3 years.

I teach in a middle school magnet. We see students struggle no matter their test scores. Some do struggle until they gain the requisite skills. Others struggle because they have never been challenged before and don’t like the feeling of getting a B or not being the first to finish a test.

Please get back to us next year and let us know what you see with this new MS class.

My SIL is a regional CES teacher and has definitely noticed that the 4th graders in her CES class have struggled more than in past years classes. She strongly feels that they have let in less qualified kids. At least with the CES.

I heard the same thing from a CES teacher.

This was in an article last year.. a teacher was saying that the ability range was much wider now.

I think this is among the most politically correct statement I have heard in a long time. Along the lines of saying "The ability range between the US Women's soccer team and the Thailand Women's soccer team is much wider this year"..... 13 goals wider.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much MCPS pays in transportation costs for the magnet programs? Does anyone check how rising gas prices affect this expenditure?

Ending the bussing would provide extra funds that could be used at all schools to provide rigorous instruction, particularly now that it is not being used for the original objective to bring in white and Asian students to balance out the racial makeup of schools.

You can Google the last time MCPS suggested cutting bus service for special programs. The answer is - not a lot. It would be a dumb and ineffective thing to save money on. If you want to reduce busing, start advocating for safer streets, so that MCPS doesn't have to hazard-bus kids 2 blocks to school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
This.
Also it looks like MCPS lowered the bar on the test scores they now consider to be qualifying for the MS magnets in order to imply that a kid at the 86th percentile from a low performing cluster is as deserving of a spot as a 99th percentile kid from a high performing cluster

Maybe it would help if you stopped thinking of admission to the middle-school magnet program as a prize that you deserve or don't deserve, depending on your test scores.

Not a prize but an experience that many highly gifted children need

I have seen the middle school magnet summer math package. There is no way that the content here is targeting the kid who scores at the 75th percentile in a class of 50th percentile kids. It is very advanced and IMO is appropriate for the 99th percentile kids. So I wish we stop this BS of "Magnet is not a prize for the exceptional, but an opportunity for the outliers". The odds are high that the 75th percentile kid will struggle with the content for the next 3 years.

I teach in a middle school magnet. We see students struggle no matter their test scores. Some do struggle until they gain the requisite skills. Others struggle because they have never been challenged before and don’t like the feeling of getting a B or not being the first to finish a test.

Please get back to us next year and let us know what you see with this new MS class.

My SIL is a regional CES teacher and has definitely noticed that the 4th graders in her CES class have struggled more than in past years classes. She strongly feels that they have let in less qualified kids. At least with the CES.

I heard the same thing from a CES teacher.

This was in an article last year.. a teacher was saying that the ability range was much wider now.

I think this is among the most politically correct statement I have heard in a long time. Along the lines of saying "The ability range between the US Women's soccer team and the Thailand Women's soccer team is much wider this year"..... 13 goals wider.

Why didnt MCPS say thry actually recruit equally able students with the new policy? They admitted they some of the students need teachers to adjust thir teaching to meet the need of them. Less Asian and more white meant more diversity in ability. Only less than a handful of AA and Latino student