Just found out that a nice person I know is a Republican

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As long as they are anti-trump, I can tolerate Republicans.

Yup tolerate neocons then? Their blind support of Israel and “nation building”?

[Anonymous]

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Obama was partially responsible for millions of Syrians being displaced or killed. Where were decent Dems then?

Obama vastly expanded killings-by-drone, resulting in many innocents dead. Where were decent Dems then?

Obama imposed his values on anti-conceptives and gender issues on millions of religious people. Where were decent Dems then?

Sorry, on this one, you are wrong. If you don't believe in non-binary people or don't want an abortion, that is up to you. But you don't get to project your religious insecurities on to other people.

x1000

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Obama was partially responsible for millions of Syrians being displaced or killed. Where were decent Dems then?

Obama vastly expanded killings-by-drone, resulting in many innocents dead. Where were decent Dems then?

Obama imposed his values on anti-conceptives and gender issues on millions of religious people. Where were decent Dems then?

Sorry, on this one, you are wrong. If you don't believe in non-binary people or don't want an abortion, that is up to you. But you don't get to project your religious insecurities on to other people.

x1000

So, you just object to one out of 7-8 examples of Obama-era policies harming millions of people. Thank you for the honesty...

Additionally, sorry but on that one I'm not wrong. Same as it is my interest as a fellow American to preserve your life, it's our interest to preserve unborn baby lives. And certainly it's in the interest of parents for millennia to ensure that people with penises don't go into women's restrooms.

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Surprise!

"Satisfaction With U.S. Direction Reaches 12-Year High" (In June 2018)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235739/satisfaction-direction-reaches-year-high.aspx

In other words, its Republicans who actually improve people's living standards -- I'd say that's quite nice, but of course OP and friends may prefer Venezuela revolutionary values over American ones.

Surprise! Obama jump-started the economy and Trump hasn't managed to fully ruin it yet

Surprise, here you have an anti-science Dem

Look at the data in that chart -- you know how, I hope?

From 2009 to 2011, Obama did a great job.

From 2011 to 2016, he was mediocre at best.

From 2016 to 2018, Trump has done a pretty good job. (including taking the economy to levels no even dreamed by Dem neoBolsheviks)

When will you morons stop attributing the state of the economy to one man, the President, when any fool knows that the state of the economy depends on so many different factors and, in may cases, depends on things that happened long before this moment.

Hey, it's morons like you who spent years arguing that Saint Obama saved our economy...

You have just proven yourself an especially stupid person. I have never said that or would say it, because...read my post!
You know you are on an anonymous forum where you cannot attribute specific posts to a specific person unless they sign in, right? No, you don't grasp this, because you are an idiot.

You can't argue, so you insult. I hope you're not OP...

You just parroted a very convenient Dem bullet point. Now, show us where YOU said something in 2009 to the effect that Obama was NOT to be given credit for the improved economy.

During the Obama boom, it was Obama.

During the Trump boom, it's no one (or it is Obama too).

You're very funny.

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You are bizarrely judging a human being based on that person’s political affiliations. That suggest a lack of perspective, no?

So bizarre! Judging someone based on their choice to use their political influence to make other people's lives worse!

What's next? Will we start judging people based on their actions? On the things they say? On the crimes they commit? Is nothing sacred anymore?!

The problem with your characterization is that it's wrong.

Whatever you may think about Republicans or Democrats, their end goal is actually very similar: maximize the happiness of all humans. The disagreement isn't on the goal, but how to get there. Republicans mostly see this and this is why the general feeling of Republicans towards Democrats is that the later is misinformed. Democrats somehow think that Republicans have different end goals, that instead of maximizing the happiness of all humans, Republicans are for oppression and suffering - and in this light it's easy to agree then that people working towards such goals are indeed evil.

Exactly! Many republican's just don't believe that the government is the solution to all of life's problems. Just because republican's don't believe that the government should be doing X, doesn't mean that they are against X. I'm 100% against the government paying for college for everyone (which is a current democratic proposal), but that doesn't mean that I'm against college. I'm also against many parts of Obamacare, and medicare for all, not because I want people to get sick and die, but because I don't believe that they are effective and that we can do better with less government interference and more free market involvement.

Honestly I lot of the reason I vote republican isn't because of specific things that I want the republican's to do (although tax cuts are always nice), or specific laws that I want them to pass, it is prevent the democratic party from doing the things that they want to do, which only make everything worse. For the most part I'm completely happy for Congress to do mostly nothing and just to cut back on regulations from time to time.

[Anonymous]

Why do you need to be religious to think men don’t get pregnant?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Obama was partially responsible for millions of Syrians being displaced or killed. Where were decent Dems then?

Obama vastly expanded killings-by-drone, resulting in many innocents dead. Where were decent Dems then?

Obama imposed his values on anti-conceptives and gender issues on millions of religious people. Where were decent Dems then?

Sorry, on this one, you are wrong. If you don't believe in non-binary people or don't want an abortion, that is up to you. But you don't get to project your religious insecurities on to other people.

x1000

So, you just object to one out of 7-8 examples of Obama-era policies harming millions of people. Thank you for the honesty...

Additionally, sorry but on that one I'm not wrong. Same as it is my interest as a fellow American to preserve your life, it's our interest to preserve unborn baby lives. And certainly it's in the interest of parents for millennia to ensure that people with penises don't go into women's restrooms.

Go spew your hate and bigotry elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How can I reconcile their kindness to me one on one with the Republican policies and actions that are taking away people's healthcare, making future generations pay for tax cuts for today's super rich, tainting our supreme court with partisan operatives with a history of sex assault allegations and undermining our democracy with Trump's swampy cabinet and autocratic attitude about attacking the press and obstructing justice?

My post is sincere. I think the modern GOP is basically evil so I am having a hard time understanding how someone can still be a Republican if they are a decent person.

There's a lot of division within the GOP, and a lot of people in the GOP frustrated by the Tea Party takeover. I'm a Democrat, but from time to time I read the National Review online, and I can see where for a lot of people many traditional conservative principles seem very reasonable--but also seem to be very blinded to many realities.

I don't know how old you are, but I remember when Nixon was kinda an epitome of evil--but would be considered practically leftwing these days (he first made universal basic income part of the political discussion, $1000/year for everybody guaranteed).

I also appreciate the idea that in a two party system the two parties act as a restraint against each other. Unfortunately that idea seems to have completely broken down in practice now.

[Anonymous]

Trump would not be president if a lot of democrats hadn't voted for him. They didn't like eight years of Obama for many reasons and they hated the idea of another Clinton for four years.

[Anonymous]

a lot of people in the GOP frustrated by the Tea Party takeover.

I thought the Tea Party was loudly anti-deficit. Where are they these days?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Obama was partially responsible for millions of Syrians being displaced or killed. Where were decent Dems then?

Obama vastly expanded killings-by-drone, resulting in many innocents dead. Where were decent Dems then?

Obama imposed his values on anti-conceptives and gender issues on millions of religious people. Where were decent Dems then?

Sorry, on this one, you are wrong. If you don't believe in non-binary people or don't want an abortion, that is up to you. But you don't get to project your religious insecurities on to other people.

x1000

So, you just object to one out of 7-8 examples of Obama-era policies harming millions of people. Thank you for the honesty...

Additionally, sorry but on that one I'm not wrong. Same as it is my interest as a fellow American to preserve your life, it's our interest to preserve unborn baby lives. And certainly it's in the interest of parents for millennia to ensure that people with penises don't go into women's restrooms.

Go spew your hate and bigotry elsewhere.

You've been brainwashed, my friend.

You were a baby once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are bizarrely judging a human being based on that person’s political affiliations. That suggest a lack of perspective, no?

So bizarre! Judging someone based on their choice to use their political influence to make other people's lives worse!

What's next? Will we start judging people based on their actions? On the things they say? On the crimes they commit? Is nothing sacred anymore?!

The problem with your characterization is that it's wrong.

Whatever you may think about Republicans or Democrats, their end goal is actually very similar: maximize the happiness of all humans. The disagreement isn't on the goal, but how to get there. Republicans mostly see this and this is why the general feeling of Republicans towards Democrats is that the later is misinformed. Democrats somehow think that Republicans have different end goals, that instead of maximizing the happiness of all humans, Republicans are for oppression and suffering - and in this light it's easy to agree then that people working towards such goals are indeed evil.

Exactly! Many republican's just don't believe that the government is the solution to all of life's problems. Just because republican's don't believe that the government should be doing X, doesn't mean that they are against X. I'm 100% against the government paying for college for everyone (which is a current democratic proposal), but that doesn't mean that I'm against college. I'm also against many parts of Obamacare, and medicare for all, not because I want people to get sick and die, but because I don't believe that they are effective and that we can do better with less government interference and more free market involvement.

Honestly I lot of the reason I vote republican isn't because of specific things that I want the republican's to do (although tax cuts are always nice), or specific laws that I want them to pass, it is prevent the democratic party from doing the things that they want to do, which only make everything worse. For the most part I'm completely happy for Congress to do mostly nothing and just to cut back on regulations from time to time.

OP here. This is a good post. I agree with you that the government shouldn't pay for college for everyone for example.

However, it still doesn't excuse the Trump era republicans for their actions. Instead of sitting around and doing nothing like you suggested, they made future generations pay for tax cuts for the super rich by deciding to add over a trillion to the debt in a good economy... Not to mention their silence while Trump is destroying our democratic institutions...

Lastly, "less government" is often just a code word for "I'm doing fine, so let the less fortunate die/get sick/live in poverty/have horrible schools without the government (aka my taxes) paying to help" etc.

[Anonymous]

It's easier being nice to people you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's easier being nice to people you know.

true. a reciprocal relationship has mutual benefits

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like I said, my post is sincere

I don't think all Republicans are horrible people but I also think almost all Republican political actions are horrible

How can I make sense of this?

Just when I thought DCUM couldn’t get any more absurd. OP, you are not doing your fellow liberals any favors here.