MS-13 in local schools

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Anonymous wrote:And here is an article from the Left-Leaning Washington Post, detailing how illegal immigration of teenagers from Central America has led to a major of resurgence of MS-13 in the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ms-13-gains-recruits-and-power-in-us-as-teens-surge-across-border/2017/06/16/aacea62a-3989-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?utm_term=.044ec78d522d

See a theme? Do you really want me to continue? Is your head still stuck in the sand???

I’d like to see Trump and ICE really go after MS-13 then rather than spending all their time raiding nurseries (I’ve yet to see evidence that these places are specific hotbeds for MS-13 like a PP claimed). There just doesn’t seem to be a coherent strategy if reducing gang violence is a big goal. MS-13 has been around since the 80s so I’m not sure how much of the leadership is actually illegal anymore.

I agree Trump should go after MS-13, and he is. I also happen to think he should go after all illegal aliens, and he is.

Priority should be MS13, not fruit pickers.

How about this. Priority 1 for deportation: MS13. Priority 2: other illegal aliens. Everyone gets a ticket. No need to jostle.

Well I’m more worried about violent offenders, but obviously YMMV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here is an article from the Left-Leaning Washington Post, detailing how illegal immigration of teenagers from Central America has led to a major of resurgence of MS-13 in the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ms-13-gains-recruits-and-power-in-us-as-teens-surge-across-border/2017/06/16/aacea62a-3989-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?utm_term=.044ec78d522d

See a theme? Do you really want me to continue? Is your head still stuck in the sand???

I’d like to see Trump and ICE really go after MS-13 then rather than spending all their time raiding nurseries (I’ve yet to see evidence that these places are specific hotbeds for MS-13 like a PP claimed). There just doesn’t seem to be a coherent strategy if reducing gang violence is a big goal. MS-13 has been around since the 80s so I’m not sure how much of the leadership is actually illegal anymore.

I agree Trump should go after MS-13, and he is. I also happen to think he should go after all illegal aliens, and he is.

Priority should be MS13, not fruit pickers.

NP. They have been targeting gangs like MS13 for years. From what relatives who work in LEO have told me, they used to just ignore everyone else though and now they don't. So it looks like they're specifically targeting non criminals now but it's more that they just aren't ignoring them more. MS13 is still the priority.

Also, they're everywhere when you know what to look for. I've seen MS13 gang signs near Ashburn high schools as well as in Reston.

+10000

It's about time. I'm frankly just amazed Illegal immigration enforcement is even a partisan issue. Democrats, you have lost your minds.

I'm amazed that Rs don't realize how Rs themselves are part of the problem.

More illegal immigrants come from visa over stays than illegal border crossings.
These folks who overstay their work visas aren't on the H1B high tech visas hired by the evil liberal tech companies. They are visa workers on H2As - used by farmers who vote mostly R, and H2Bs - used by Trump.

So, if you want to curtail illegal immigration in this country, then you need to go after those business owners, many who are R, and stop having the government issue H2As and H2Bs. However, Trump increased the H2B visas by another 15K in his first few months in office. I guarantee you that some of those folks will end up overstaying their work visas.

I call complete BS on that. A big issue with the unsecured border is precisely that you have no idea who or how many are coming over, which is insane. And, even if overstaying legit visas IS a bigger contributor, why does that mean the border shouldn't be secured? At least with Visa overstayers, you have some degree of oversight over who and how many comes in.

Third, I completely agree that we should "go after" business owners who employ illegal immigrants. But if an immigrant has papers to work, then he/she is not an illegal. That's the rub right? If you want to argue that less work visas should issued, *for whatever reason*, then at least we can debate that out on a policy level. Leaving the border open and insecured so that anyone can just come in? Insanity.

Which is exactly how MS-13 is getting bigger and bigger. Zero, I mean zero oversight from federal immigration to weed out obvious criminals and gang members.

1. More illegal immigrants from visa overstays
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/visa-overstays-outnumber-illegal-border-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216

No one said we shouldn't secure our borders, but given that most of the illegal immigrants come not by crossing the border illegally, a billion dollar wall is not a good ROI

2. The immigrant becomes illegal because they overstay their visa. The only way they won't overstay their visas is if we don't have such visas because right now, those R farmers don't care about hiring illegal immigrants to pick fruit.

3. Again, why is Trump wasting money on fruit pickers rather than violent gang members.

This is a thread about MS-13, you've been given multiple sources on how MS-13 Illegal Immigrants have been committing murders and contributing to an overall resurgence of the gang in recent years. Securing the border is 100% going to affect MS-13 numbers and correspondingly, its presence in our schools. The problem is that wall or no wall, Democrats have been obstructing the process of securing the border for 8 years now, to the point of absurdity.

If this were really a good faith debate about whether the Wall is a good ROI vs other methods, it would be one thing, but it's very obvious to most of us who are not hard-liner Left that Democrats do not want a secure border AT ALL. I mean, not even a little bit. Nor do you want to deport. So if Trump wants to build a wall to solve this problem, it's not like you Democrats have proposed alternative suggestions. Wall it is.

PP have already explained to you that MS-13 is being prioritized and targeted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here is an article from the Left-Leaning Washington Post, detailing how illegal immigration of teenagers from Central America has led to a major of resurgence of MS-13 in the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ms-13-gains-recruits-and-power-in-us-as-teens-surge-across-border/2017/06/16/aacea62a-3989-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?utm_term=.044ec78d522d

See a theme? Do you really want me to continue? Is your head still stuck in the sand???

I’d like to see Trump and ICE really go after MS-13 then rather than spending all their time raiding nurseries (I’ve yet to see evidence that these places are specific hotbeds for MS-13 like a PP claimed). There just doesn’t seem to be a coherent strategy if reducing gang violence is a big goal. MS-13 has been around since the 80s so I’m not sure how much of the leadership is actually illegal anymore.

I agree Trump should go after MS-13, and he is. I also happen to think he should go after all illegal aliens, and he is.

Priority should be MS13, not fruit pickers.

NP. They have been targeting gangs like MS13 for years. From what relatives who work in LEO have told me, they used to just ignore everyone else though and now they don't. So it looks like they're specifically targeting non criminals now but it's more that they just aren't ignoring them more. MS13 is still the priority.

Also, they're everywhere when you know what to look for. I've seen MS13 gang signs near Ashburn high schools as well as in Reston.

+10000

It's about time. I'm frankly just amazed Illegal immigration enforcement is even a partisan issue. Democrats, you have lost your minds.

I'm amazed that Rs don't realize how Rs themselves are part of the problem.

More illegal immigrants come from visa over stays than illegal border crossings.
These folks who overstay their work visas aren't on the H1B high tech visas hired by the evil liberal tech companies. They are visa workers on H2As - used by farmers who vote mostly R, and H2Bs - used by Trump.

So, if you want to curtail illegal immigration in this country, then you need to go after those business owners, many who are R, and stop having the government issue H2As and H2Bs. However, Trump increased the H2B visas by another 15K in his first few months in office. I guarantee you that some of those folks will end up overstaying their work visas.

I call complete BS on that. A big issue with the unsecured border is precisely that you have no idea who or how many are coming over, which is insane. And, even if overstaying legit visas IS a bigger contributor, why does that mean the border shouldn't be secured? At least with Visa overstayers, you have some degree of oversight over who and how many comes in.

Third, I completely agree that we should "go after" business owners who employ illegal immigrants. But if an immigrant has papers to work, then he/she is not an illegal. That's the rub right? If you want to argue that less work visas should issued, *for whatever reason*, then at least we can debate that out on a policy level. Leaving the border open and insecured so that anyone can just come in? Insanity.

Which is exactly how MS-13 is getting bigger and bigger. Zero, I mean zero oversight from federal immigration to weed out obvious criminals and gang members.

1. More illegal immigrants from visa overstays
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/visa-overstays-outnumber-illegal-border-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216

No one said we shouldn't secure our borders, but given that most of the illegal immigrants come not by crossing the border illegally, a billion dollar wall is not a good ROI

2. The immigrant becomes illegal because they overstay their visa. The only way they won't overstay their visas is if we don't have such visas because right now, those R farmers don't care about hiring illegal immigrants to pick fruit.

3. Again, why is Trump wasting money on fruit pickers rather than violent gang members.

This is a thread about MS-13, you've been given multiple sources on how MS-13 Illegal Immigrants have been committing murders and contributing to an overall resurgence of the gang in recent years. Securing the border is 100% going to affect MS-13 numbers and correspondingly, its presence in our schools. The problem is that wall or no wall, Democrats have been obstructing the process of securing the border for 8 years now, to the point of absurdity.

If this were really a good faith debate about whether the Wall is a good ROI vs other methods, it would be one thing, but it's very obvious to most of us who are not hard-liner Left that Democrats do not want a secure border AT ALL. I mean, not even a little bit. Nor do you want to deport. So if Trump wants to build a wall to solve this problem, it's not like you Democrats have proposed alternative suggestions. Wall it is.

PP have already explained to you that MS-13 is being prioritized and targeted.

You really seem slow to catch on that not all illegal immigrants are swimming rivers and cutting fences to enter the US. How do you think visa overstays should be addressed?

[Anonymous]

Also I’d like more evidence that MS-13 is actually being prioritized and targeted. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here is an article from the Left-Leaning Washington Post, detailing how illegal immigration of teenagers from Central America has led to a major of resurgence of MS-13 in the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ms-13-gains-recruits-and-power-in-us-as-teens-surge-across-border/2017/06/16/aacea62a-3989-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?utm_term=.044ec78d522d

See a theme? Do you really want me to continue? Is your head still stuck in the sand???

I’d like to see Trump and ICE really go after MS-13 then rather than spending all their time raiding nurseries (I’ve yet to see evidence that these places are specific hotbeds for MS-13 like a PP claimed). There just doesn’t seem to be a coherent strategy if reducing gang violence is a big goal. MS-13 has been around since the 80s so I’m not sure how much of the leadership is actually illegal anymore.

I agree Trump should go after MS-13, and he is. I also happen to think he should go after all illegal aliens, and he is.

Priority should be MS13, not fruit pickers.

NP. They have been targeting gangs like MS13 for years. From what relatives who work in LEO have told me, they used to just ignore everyone else though and now they don't. So it looks like they're specifically targeting non criminals now but it's more that they just aren't ignoring them more. MS13 is still the priority.

Also, they're everywhere when you know what to look for. I've seen MS13 gang signs near Ashburn high schools as well as in Reston.

+10000

It's about time. I'm frankly just amazed Illegal immigration enforcement is even a partisan issue. Democrats, you have lost your minds.

I'm amazed that Rs don't realize how Rs themselves are part of the problem.

More illegal immigrants come from visa over stays than illegal border crossings.
These folks who overstay their work visas aren't on the H1B high tech visas hired by the evil liberal tech companies. They are visa workers on H2As - used by farmers who vote mostly R, and H2Bs - used by Trump.

So, if you want to curtail illegal immigration in this country, then you need to go after those business owners, many who are R, and stop having the government issue H2As and H2Bs. However, Trump increased the H2B visas by another 15K in his first few months in office. I guarantee you that some of those folks will end up overstaying their work visas.

I call complete BS on that. A big issue with the unsecured border is precisely that you have no idea who or how many are coming over, which is insane. And, even if overstaying legit visas IS a bigger contributor, why does that mean the border shouldn't be secured? At least with Visa overstayers, you have some degree of oversight over who and how many comes in.

Third, I completely agree that we should "go after" business owners who employ illegal immigrants. But if an immigrant has papers to work, then he/she is not an illegal. That's the rub right? If you want to argue that less work visas should issued, *for whatever reason*, then at least we can debate that out on a policy level. Leaving the border open and insecured so that anyone can just come in? Insanity.

Which is exactly how MS-13 is getting bigger and bigger. Zero, I mean zero oversight from federal immigration to weed out obvious criminals and gang members.

1. More illegal immigrants from visa overstays
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/visa-overstays-outnumber-illegal-border-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216

No one said we shouldn't secure our borders, but given that most of the illegal immigrants come not by crossing the border illegally, a billion dollar wall is not a good ROI

2. The immigrant becomes illegal because they overstay their visa. The only way they won't overstay their visas is if we don't have such visas because right now, those R farmers don't care about hiring illegal immigrants to pick fruit.

3. Again, why is Trump wasting money on fruit pickers rather than violent gang members.

This is a thread about MS-13, you've been given multiple sources on how MS-13 Illegal Immigrants have been committing murders and contributing to an overall resurgence of the gang in recent years. Securing the border is 100% going to affect MS-13 numbers and correspondingly, its presence in our schools. The problem is that wall or no wall, Democrats have been obstructing the process of securing the border for 8 years now, to the point of absurdity.

If this were really a good faith debate about whether the Wall is a good ROI vs other methods, it would be one thing, but it's very obvious to most of us who are not hard-liner Left that Democrats do not want a secure border AT ALL. I mean, not even a little bit. Nor do you want to deport. So if Trump wants to build a wall to solve this problem, it's not like you Democrats have proposed alternative suggestions. Wall it is.

PP have already explained to you that MS-13 is being prioritized and targeted.

You really seem slow to catch on that not all illegal immigrants are swimming rivers and cutting fences to enter the US. How do you think visa overstays should be addressed?

You are missing the point and can't let go of your dumb argument about overstaying work Visas.

They're not letting MS-13 come over on work visas. Those fine individuals are, probably, "swimming rivers and cutting fences."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also I’d like more evidence that MS-13 is actually being prioritized and targeted. Thanks.

https://www.ice.gov/contact/oce

Google is your friend. You're welcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here is an article from the Left-Leaning Washington Post, detailing how illegal immigration of teenagers from Central America has led to a major of resurgence of MS-13 in the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ms-13-gains-recruits-and-power-in-us-as-teens-surge-across-border/2017/06/16/aacea62a-3989-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?utm_term=.044ec78d522d

See a theme? Do you really want me to continue? Is your head still stuck in the sand???

I’d like to see Trump and ICE really go after MS-13 then rather than spending all their time raiding nurseries (I’ve yet to see evidence that these places are specific hotbeds for MS-13 like a PP claimed). There just doesn’t seem to be a coherent strategy if reducing gang violence is a big goal. MS-13 has been around since the 80s so I’m not sure how much of the leadership is actually illegal anymore.

I agree Trump should go after MS-13, and he is. I also happen to think he should go after all illegal aliens, and he is.

Priority should be MS13, not fruit pickers.

NP. They have been targeting gangs like MS13 for years. From what relatives who work in LEO have told me, they used to just ignore everyone else though and now they don't. So it looks like they're specifically targeting non criminals now but it's more that they just aren't ignoring them more. MS13 is still the priority.

Also, they're everywhere when you know what to look for. I've seen MS13 gang signs near Ashburn high schools as well as in Reston.

+10000

It's about time. I'm frankly just amazed Illegal immigration enforcement is even a partisan issue. Democrats, you have lost your minds.

I'm amazed that Rs don't realize how Rs themselves are part of the problem.

More illegal immigrants come from visa over stays than illegal border crossings.
These folks who overstay their work visas aren't on the H1B high tech visas hired by the evil liberal tech companies. They are visa workers on H2As - used by farmers who vote mostly R, and H2Bs - used by Trump.

So, if you want to curtail illegal immigration in this country, then you need to go after those business owners, many who are R, and stop having the government issue H2As and H2Bs. However, Trump increased the H2B visas by another 15K in his first few months in office. I guarantee you that some of those folks will end up overstaying their work visas.

I call complete BS on that. A big issue with the unsecured border is precisely that you have no idea who or how many are coming over, which is insane. And, even if overstaying legit visas IS a bigger contributor, why does that mean the border shouldn't be secured? At least with Visa overstayers, you have some degree of oversight over who and how many comes in.

Third, I completely agree that we should "go after" business owners who employ illegal immigrants. But if an immigrant has papers to work, then he/she is not an illegal. That's the rub right? If you want to argue that less work visas should issued, *for whatever reason*, then at least we can debate that out on a policy level. Leaving the border open and insecured so that anyone can just come in? Insanity.

Which is exactly how MS-13 is getting bigger and bigger. Zero, I mean zero oversight from federal immigration to weed out obvious criminals and gang members.

1. More illegal immigrants from visa overstays
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/visa-overstays-outnumber-illegal-border-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216

No one said we shouldn't secure our borders, but given that most of the illegal immigrants come not by crossing the border illegally, a billion dollar wall is not a good ROI

2. The immigrant becomes illegal because they overstay their visa. The only way they won't overstay their visas is if we don't have such visas because right now, those R farmers don't care about hiring illegal immigrants to pick fruit.

3. Again, why is Trump wasting money on fruit pickers rather than violent gang members.

This is a thread about MS-13, you've been given multiple sources on how MS-13 Illegal Immigrants have been committing murders and contributing to an overall resurgence of the gang in recent years. Securing the border is 100% going to affect MS-13 numbers and correspondingly, its presence in our schools. The problem is that wall or no wall, Democrats have been obstructing the process of securing the border for 8 years now, to the point of absurdity.

If this were really a good faith debate about whether the Wall is a good ROI vs other methods, it would be one thing, but it's very obvious to most of us who are not hard-liner Left that Democrats do not want a secure border AT ALL. I mean, not even a little bit. Nor do you want to deport. So if Trump wants to build a wall to solve this problem, it's not like you Democrats have proposed alternative suggestions. Wall it is.

PP have already explained to you that MS-13 is being prioritized and targeted.

You really seem slow to catch on that not all illegal immigrants are swimming rivers and cutting fences to enter the US. How do you think visa overstays should be addressed?

You are missing the point and can't let go of your dumb argument about overstaying work Visas.

They're not letting MS-13 come over on work visas. Those fine individuals are, probably, "swimming rivers and cutting fences."

Well maybe the Koch brothers can fund your wall and we can come back in a few years and see how well it all turned out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also I’d like more evidence that MS-13 is actually being prioritized and targeted. Thanks.

https://www.ice.gov/contact/oce

Google is your friend. You're welcome.

Emails and phone numbers? That’s all ya got? How many MS-13 members have been apprehended vs. fruit pickers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also I’d like more evidence that MS-13 is actually being prioritized and targeted. Thanks.

https://www.ice.gov/contact/oce

Google is your friend. You're welcome.

Emails and phone numbers? That’s all ya got? How many MS-13 members have been apprehended vs. fruit pickers?

How old are you, 13? If you have questions about whether ICE is prioritizing correctly, call them yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here is an article from the Left-Leaning Washington Post, detailing how illegal immigration of teenagers from Central America has led to a major of resurgence of MS-13 in the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ms-13-gains-recruits-and-power-in-us-as-teens-surge-across-border/2017/06/16/aacea62a-3989-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?utm_term=.044ec78d522d

See a theme? Do you really want me to continue? Is your head still stuck in the sand???

I’d like to see Trump and ICE really go after MS-13 then rather than spending all their time raiding nurseries (I’ve yet to see evidence that these places are specific hotbeds for MS-13 like a PP claimed). There just doesn’t seem to be a coherent strategy if reducing gang violence is a big goal. MS-13 has been around since the 80s so I’m not sure how much of the leadership is actually illegal anymore.

I agree Trump should go after MS-13, and he is. I also happen to think he should go after all illegal aliens, and he is.

Priority should be MS13, not fruit pickers.

NP. They have been targeting gangs like MS13 for years. From what relatives who work in LEO have told me, they used to just ignore everyone else though and now they don't. So it looks like they're specifically targeting non criminals now but it's more that they just aren't ignoring them more. MS13 is still the priority.

Also, they're everywhere when you know what to look for. I've seen MS13 gang signs near Ashburn high schools as well as in Reston.

+10000

It's about time. I'm frankly just amazed Illegal immigration enforcement is even a partisan issue. Democrats, you have lost your minds.

I'm amazed that Rs don't realize how Rs themselves are part of the problem.

More illegal immigrants come from visa over stays than illegal border crossings.
These folks who overstay their work visas aren't on the H1B high tech visas hired by the evil liberal tech companies. They are visa workers on H2As - used by farmers who vote mostly R, and H2Bs - used by Trump.

So, if you want to curtail illegal immigration in this country, then you need to go after those business owners, many who are R, and stop having the government issue H2As and H2Bs. However, Trump increased the H2B visas by another 15K in his first few months in office. I guarantee you that some of those folks will end up overstaying their work visas.

So now it is a problem?

So now you realize that Rs are part of the problem?

I think he means we caught a Liberal admitting that illegal immigration is a problem. Crazy it took 10 pages.

What makes you think I'm a liberal? I'm an Independent, used to be R.

But my spouse is a die hard liberal and thinks Trump should be going after violent illegal immigrants, as do probably 99% of liberals.

+1

I think that immigration enforcement should be prioritizing violent criminals, including gangs (as it was under the previous administration). I don't know any liberals IRL who don't. I also think that we should listen to police officials who are telling us that heavy-handed immigration enforcement hampers efforts to fight violent crime, by driving victims and witnesses underground. I think we need to be smart and strategic, and deporting people who have been here for 20+ years, and have families and citizen children and deep community ties, or when they show up to the courthouse, or the many other atrocious examples of needless cruelty--it's inhumane, a waste of limited resources, and counterproductive.

Also, the border is hardly open and unsecured, and hasn't been for quite some time. And most liberals would not want it to be--the people who think we should straight-up have open borders are a minority.

[Anonymous]

I think that immigration enforcement should be prioritizing violent criminals, including gangs (as it was under the previous administration). I don't know any liberals IRL who don't. I also think that we should listen to police officials who are telling us that heavy-handed immigration enforcement hampers efforts to fight violent crime, by driving victims and witnesses underground. I think we need to be smart and strategic, and deporting people who have been here for 20+ years, and have families and citizen children and deep community ties, or when they show up to the courthouse, or the many other atrocious examples of needless cruelty--it's inhumane, a waste of limited resources, and counterproductive.

Also, the border is hardly open and unsecured, and hasn't been for quite some time. And most liberals would not want it to be--the people who think we should straight-up have open borders are a minority.

It's misleading to say the prior administration "prioritized violent criminals, including gangs." The Obama administration obstructed the arrest and deportation of illegal aliens, even known gang members, so "prioritize" is not the right word. More like "limited to only violent criminals." And no, that's just insane.

You're also confusing federal immigration enforcement with local police officers, and you're implying that resources are so limited that ICE can only focus on one or the other. They're capable of handling MS-13 and your run of the mill illegal migrant worker. As they should.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also I’d like more evidence that MS-13 is actually being prioritized and targeted. Thanks.

https://www.ice.gov/contact/oce

Google is your friend. You're welcome.

Emails and phone numbers? That’s all ya got? How many MS-13 members have been apprehended vs. fruit pickers?

How old are you, 13? If you have questions about whether ICE is prioritizing correctly, call them yourself.

Ohhh so you dont actually know then. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

This is a cancer that the Democrats gave us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I think that immigration enforcement should be prioritizing violent criminals, including gangs (as it was under the previous administration). I don't know any liberals IRL who don't. I also think that we should listen to police officials who are telling us that heavy-handed immigration enforcement hampers efforts to fight violent crime, by driving victims and witnesses underground. I think we need to be smart and strategic, and deporting people who have been here for 20+ years, and have families and citizen children and deep community ties, or when they show up to the courthouse, or the many other atrocious examples of needless cruelty--it's inhumane, a waste of limited resources, and counterproductive.

Also, the border is hardly open and unsecured, and hasn't been for quite some time. And most liberals would not want it to be--the people who think we should straight-up have open borders are a minority.

It's misleading to say the prior administration "prioritized violent criminals, including gangs." The Obama administration obstructed the arrest and deportation of illegal aliens, even known gang members, so "prioritize" is not the right word. More like "limited to only violent criminals." And no, that's just insane.

You're also confusing federal immigration enforcement with local police officers, and you're implying that resources are so limited that ICE can only focus on one or the other. They're capable of handling MS-13 and your run of the mill illegal migrant worker. As they should.

Are they? Because clearly they werent under the Obama administration. I’m a moderate-conservative but think we need to be doubling down on MS-13 and other criminals and less time on showboat raids. Get to the heart of the organization. See the forest through the trees and focus on things that will make us all safer. My brother is a cop (also a conservative) in another city and is worried about the direction things are going. Immigrant communities are becoming less likely to reports crimes or work with the police. That is certainly counterproductive to taking out gangs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think that immigration enforcement should be prioritizing violent criminals, including gangs (as it was under the previous administration). I don't know any liberals IRL who don't. I also think that we should listen to police officials who are telling us that heavy-handed immigration enforcement hampers efforts to fight violent crime, by driving victims and witnesses underground. I think we need to be smart and strategic, and deporting people who have been here for 20+ years, and have families and citizen children and deep community ties, or when they show up to the courthouse, or the many other atrocious examples of needless cruelty--it's inhumane, a waste of limited resources, and counterproductive.

Also, the border is hardly open and unsecured, and hasn't been for quite some time. And most liberals would not want it to be--the people who think we should straight-up have open borders are a minority.

It's misleading to say the prior administration "prioritized violent criminals, including gangs." The Obama administration obstructed the arrest and deportation of illegal aliens, even known gang members, so "prioritize" is not the right word. More like "limited to only violent criminals." And no, that's just insane.

You're also confusing federal immigration enforcement with local police officers, and you're implying that resources are so limited that ICE can only focus on one or the other. They're capable of handling MS-13 and your run of the mill illegal migrant worker. As they should.

Are they? Because clearly they werent under the Obama administration. I’m a moderate-conservative but think we need to be doubling down on MS-13 and other criminals and less time on showboat raids. Get to the heart of the organization. See the forest through the trees and focus on things that will make us all safer. My brother is a cop (also a conservative) in another city and is worried about the direction things are going. Immigrant communities are becoming less likely to reports crimes or work with the police. That is certainly counterproductive to taking out gangs.

+1 exactly. How is ICE exactly prioritizing gang members over fruit pickers who would be afraid to report MS13 gang bangers?