DH is being accused of sexual assault.

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Anonymous wrote:So he let himself get swabbed without talking to a lawyer first?

That was stupid. Innocent or guilty. That was really stupid.

Why?

Lots of reasons. He could be getting set up. Perhaps it was co.sensual but woman's spouse found out so she fabricated the assault, etc, etc.

But what could a lawyer do? Stall until something else comes up? Can police force someone to get a swab? Or a judge?

If I was accused of anything or asked to do a swab I most definitely would demand to see a lawyer first. I don't think the police can demand you take it. I think they would need a oder from a judge. Refusing does not imply guilt.

I wouldn't comply either, even if I knew I didn't do it. In most (maybe all?) states, the police need probable cause to get DNA from a suspect who is not under arrest. They can go get a warrant for my DNA if they really want it.

I was in a situation once where something bad happened to someone else. I will not go into details. I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. But, I was seen in the vicinity of the attack. I talked to a lawyer who, upon hearing my story, said he will be happy to take my money, but if what I told him was accurate, I had nothing to fear. I cooperated with police without a lawyer present. Maybe it was stupid, but I figured if I give them my DNA, I will be ruled out. Which is what happened -- I was ruled out quickly based on blood types.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or maybe he's telling the truth! He was asleep and wasn't involved. Maybe the police asked him to voluntarily provide a swab so he can eliminate himself as a suspect, and he did.

Relevant excerpt: I heard the police say to him: "The police in X state have been trying to get a hold of you to no avail." He asked me to close the window so I couldn't overhear.

What part of that is "telling the truth" or "voluntary"? The cops showed up at his house after he gave them the runaround, and he knew about them collecting evidence for at least a week and still didn't tell his wife until the cops had come and gone. His behavior is beyond suspicious.

Yep. I would be pissed at my husband if he tried to hide this from me, whether or not I thought he was guilty. That is serious stuff, and hiding it from your spouse is not okay. And also gives said spouse good reason to suspect that you might actually be guilty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So he let himself get swabbed without talking to a lawyer first?

That was stupid. Innocent or guilty. That was really stupid.

Why?

Lots of reasons. He could be getting set up. Perhaps it was co.sensual but woman's spouse found out so she fabricated the assault, etc, etc.

But what could a lawyer do? Stall until something else comes up? Can police force someone to get a swab? Or a judge?

If I was accused of anything or asked to do a swab I most definitely would demand to see a lawyer first. I don't think the police can demand you take it. I think they would need a oder from a judge. Refusing does not imply guilt.

I wouldn't comply either, even if I knew I didn't do it. In most (maybe all?) states, the police need probable cause to get DNA from a suspect who is not under arrest. They can go get a warrant for my DNA if they really want it.

I was in a situation once where something bad happened to someone else. I will not go into details. I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. But, I was seen in the vicinity of the attack. I talked to a lawyer who, upon hearing my story, said he will be happy to take my money, but if what I told him was accurate, I had nothing to fear. I cooperated with police without a lawyer present. Maybe it was stupid, but I figured if I give them my DNA, I will be ruled out. Which is what happened -- I was ruled out quickly based on blood types.

Never give DNA samples without a warrant. Your DNA is now in a data base and will be compared against incomplete DNA samples from crime events. If enough matches the sample, you or family members will be add to the list of suspects. Also many police department use private firms and you have no control over your DNA. It could be sold like your browser history.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or maybe he's telling the truth! He was asleep and wasn't involved. Maybe the police asked him to voluntarily provide a swab so he can eliminate himself as a suspect, and he did.

Relevant excerpt: I heard the police say to him: "The police in X state have been trying to get a hold of you to no avail." He asked me to close the window so I couldn't overhear.

What part of that is "telling the truth" or "voluntary"? The cops showed up at his house after he gave them the runaround, and he knew about them collecting evidence for at least a week and still didn't tell his wife until the cops had come and gone. His behavior is beyond suspicious.

Yep. I would be pissed at my husband if he tried to hide this from me, whether or not I thought he was guilty. That is serious stuff, and hiding it from your spouse is not okay. And also gives said spouse good reason to suspect that you might actually be guilty.

Over the last decade, collecting DNA from people who are not charged with — or even suspected of — any particular crime has become an increasingly routine practice for police in smaller cities not only in Florida, but in Connecticut, Pennsylvania and North Carolina as well.

While the largest cities typically operate public labs and feed DNA samples into the FBI’s national database, cities like Melbourne have assembled databases of their own, often in partnership with private labs that offer such fast, cheap testing that police can afford to amass DNA even to investigate minor crimes, from burglary to vandalism.

And to compile samples for comparison, some jurisdictions also have quietly begun asking people to turn over DNA voluntarily during traffic stops, or even during what amount to chance encounters with police. In Melbourne, riding a bike at night without two functioning lights can lead to DNA swab — even if the rider is a minor.

https://www.propublica.org/article/dna-dragnet-in-some-cities-police-go-from-stop-and-frisk-to-stop-and-spit

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I have a friend who once, being recently divorced, lived by himself in a house in a mid-sized western city. One night a terrible crime took place: the house across the street from his was broken into, and the elderly woman who lived there was raped. In the course of the investigation, as a single man living near the woman, he came to the attention of the police. The traumatized victim told the police she was pretty sure he was not the perpetrator, but the police approached my friend and asked him to submit a DNA sample to eliminate him as a suspect. They told him they did not really think he was the perpetrator, but wanted to definitively eliminate him out of investigatory thoroughness and in order to reassure his neighbor.

How would you respond to such a request?

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/police-want-your-dna-prove-youre-innocent-do-you-give-it-them

More from the sample article

As a privacy advocate, I really would not want to share my DNA with the police. They would likely retain it indefinitely, and possibly share it with other law enforcement agencies. I would henceforth be vulnerable to potential misuses of my DNA (just to pluck one potential scenario: to identify me should I mail an anonymous tip or complaint to a government agency). And, I would be much more likely to be mistakenly identified as a suspect, either through human error or just because every time the police run a criminal’s DNA profile I will now be part of the genetic “lineup.” A California man, for example, was wrongly charged with capital murder after his DNA was matched with samples taken at a crime scene (contaminated by the same paramedics who had treated him earlier in the day). That wouldn’t have happened if his DNA wasn’t in the database.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or maybe he's telling the truth! He was asleep and wasn't involved. Maybe the police asked him to voluntarily provide a swab so he can eliminate himself as a suspect, and he did.

Relevant excerpt: I heard the police say to him: "The police in X state have been trying to get a hold of you to no avail." He asked me to close the window so I couldn't overhear.

What part of that is "telling the truth" or "voluntary"? The cops showed up at his house after he gave them the runaround, and he knew about them collecting evidence for at least a week and still didn't tell his wife until the cops had come and gone. His behavior is beyond suspicious.

Yep. I would be pissed at my husband if he tried to hide this from me, whether or not I thought he was guilty. That is serious stuff, and hiding it from your spouse is not okay. And also gives said spouse good reason to suspect that you might actually be guilty.

Over the last decade, collecting DNA from people who are not charged with — or even suspected of — any particular crime has become an increasingly routine practice for police in smaller cities not only in Florida, but in Connecticut, Pennsylvania and North Carolina as well.

While the largest cities typically operate public labs and feed DNA samples into the FBI’s national database, cities like Melbourne have assembled databases of their own, often in partnership with private labs that offer such fast, cheap testing that police can afford to amass DNA even to investigate minor crimes, from burglary to vandalism.

And to compile samples for comparison, some jurisdictions also have quietly begun asking people to turn over DNA voluntarily during traffic stops, or even during what amount to chance encounters with police. In Melbourne, riding a bike at night without two functioning lights can lead to DNA swab — even if the rider is a minor.

https://www.propublica.org/article/dna-dragnet-in-some-cities-police-go-from-stop-and-frisk-to-stop-and-spit

Did you respond to the right comment? I'd never give my DNA without a warrant (I'm a lawyer, I try not to even talk to cops without a warrant), but that doesn't change the fact that the OP's husband sounds shifty af. "Please close the window" when the cops are questioning him isn't about keeping his DNA out of a database, it's about keeping her out of the loop.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps I misread, but the same accusing him accused his coworkers as well? And you kicked him out? Wtf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or maybe he's telling the truth! He was asleep and wasn't involved. Maybe the police asked him to voluntarily provide a swab so he can eliminate himself as a suspect, and he did.

Relevant excerpt: I heard the police say to him: "The police in X state have been trying to get a hold of you to no avail." He asked me to close the window so I couldn't overhear.

What part of that is "telling the truth" or "voluntary"? The cops showed up at his house after he gave them the runaround, and he knew about them collecting evidence for at least a week and still didn't tell his wife until the cops had come and gone. His behavior is beyond suspicious.

OP, did you ask him if he slept with her? I'm guessing he did and there's a dispute over consent, but if he did that swab will match.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like either oil drilling or archaeology. Both of which often have 90% or more male crews. Gang rapes are not uncommon. Drugging women so they can be raped is not uncommon.

Posting idiotic bs on dcum is common. Not having evidence is common.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I kicked him out because he went outside to be interviewed. I heard the police say to him: "The police in X state have been trying to get a hold of you to no avail." He asked me to close the window so I couldn't overhear. That made me suspicious.

His friend disclosed to him last week that he had been swabbed. He's known for a week that his co-workers were being swabbed. He neglected to tell me.

To me, that seems like guilty behavior.

Maybe he didn't want to worry you because he knew you'd flip out. Which you did.

Uhhh, most sane people would freak out over this

Ummm, no they wouldn't. And no married woman I know would kick her husband out of the house when he's going through this unless he's raped before and she forgave him for it. OP sounds like a real piece of meth-addicted drama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One woman is one thing...multiple is another. Sadly looks like this guy is one scary person and you were smart to get him out of there.

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Anonymous wrote:I kicked him out because he went outside to be interviewed. I heard the police say to him: "The police in X state have been trying to get a hold of you to no avail." He asked me to close the window so I couldn't overhear. That made me suspicious.

His friend disclosed to him last week that he had been swabbed. He's known for a week that his co-workers were being swabbed. He neglected to tell me.

To me, that seems like guilty behavior.

Maybe he didn't want to worry you because he knew you'd flip out. Which you did.

Uhhh, most sane people would freak out over this

Ummm, no they wouldn't. And no married woman I know would kick her husband out of the house when he's going through this unless he's raped before and she forgave him for it. OP sounds like a real piece of meth-addicted drama.

Then you must not know many married woman. You sound meth addicted though

[Anonymous]

People, read the whole thread before commenting. OP followed up with a lot more information that suggested her DH was at least guilty of something. And it is not multiple women--one women accusing multiple men.

OP, any updates? Hope you are okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People, read the whole thread before commenting. OP followed up with a lot more information that suggested her DH was at least guilty of something. And it is not multiple women--one women accusing multiple men.

OP, any updates? Hope you are okay.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I kicked him out because he went outside to be interviewed. I heard the police say to him: "The police in X state have been trying to get a hold of you to no avail." He asked me to close the window so I couldn't overhear. That made me suspicious.

His friend disclosed to him last week that he had been swabbed. He's known for a week that his co-workers were being swabbed. He neglected to tell me.

To me, that seems like guilty behavior.

Maybe he didn't want to worry you because he knew you'd flip out. Which you did.

Uhhh, most sane people would freak out over this

Ummm, no they wouldn't. And no married woman I know would kick her husband out of the house when he's going through this unless he's raped before and she forgave him for it. OP sounds like a real piece of meth-addicted drama.

Then you must not know many married woman. You sound meth addicted though

Like your Mom? Not really.