TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List

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Anonymous wrote:I think the reason that there aren't more TJ kids going to the top schools is because those schools don't want kids that just consume information and spit it out on tests. They want leaders and people with an original thought once in a while.

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Like the current TJ student, and all the TJ alums, who made Forbes 30 under 30 list?

https://tjpartnershipfund.org/2017/01/senior-is-youngest-forbes-30-under-30-winner/

Wow. Can we just say that there are immensely talented kids everywhere with an impressive number at TJ?

That's a very fair statement. There are very talented kids throughout FCPS. TJ has a high concentration of them. Succeeding in the research and project heavy curriculum at TJ requires a lot more than rote memorization. That's the easy part that gets you a C. It's how they apply the knowledge that makes TJ students (and strong Langley, Oakton, Woodson, etc) tandouts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-new-thomas-jefferson-it-includes-remedial-math/2012/05/25/gJQAlZRYqU_story.html?utm_term=.942a5742a7c6

Attack the author, ignore the facts.
Hopefully the new admissions policy for next year will be a step in the right direction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the reason that there aren't more TJ kids going to the top schools is because those schools don't want kids that just consume information and spit it out on tests. They want leaders and people with an original thought once in a while.

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Like the current TJ student, and all the TJ alums, who made Forbes 30 under 30 list?

https://tjpartnershipfund.org/2017/01/senior-is-youngest-forbes-30-under-30-winner/

Wow. Can we just say that there are immensely talented kids everywhere with an impressive number at TJ?

That's a very fair statement. There are very talented kids throughout FCPS. TJ has a high concentration of them. Succeeding in the research and project heavy curriculum at TJ requires a lot more than rote memorization. That's the easy part that gets you a C. It's how they apply the knowledge that makes TJ students (and strong Langley, Oakton, Woodson, etc) tandouts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-new-thomas-jefferson-it-includes-remedial-math/2012/05/25/gJQAlZRYqU_story.html?utm_term=.942a5742a7c6

Attack the author, ignore the facts.
Hopefully the new admissions policy for next year will be a step in the right direction.

What is the new Admissions policy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the reason that there aren't more TJ kids going to the top schools is because those schools don't want kids that just consume information and spit it out on tests. They want leaders and people with an original thought once in a while.

Very few of TJ classes focus on rote learning--just the opposite. Concepts are taught and constantly applied to new and novel situations. It would be interesting to compare TJ's college list to other high schools to gain perspective. I doubt you'd find many (or even a few) with as impressive a list of senior destinations.

That's a myth. Memorization and regurgitation is key at TJ.

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Creativity is going to be key in the future of STEM. Innovation requires creativity. TJ is not cultivating creativity, just the opposite, it's breeding ground for rote learning and obedience.

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Anonymous wrote:Creativity is going to be key in the future of STEM. Innovation requires creativity. TJ is not cultivating creativity, just the opposite, it's breeding ground for rote learning and obedience.

You must have learned that line by "rote memorization".

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Anonymous wrote:Creativity is going to be key in the future of STEM. Innovation requires creativity. TJ is not cultivating creativity, just the opposite, it's breeding ground for rote learning and obedience.

You must have learned that line by "rote memorization".

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Clearly PP has no experience with TJ.

[Anonymous]

TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!

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Don't forget most of the TJ families are middle to upper-middle class and will choose merit money over perceived prestige.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!

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Anonymous wrote:DP. If one cannot gain admission to UVA after attending TJ, what, then, was the point?

Lot -- most? -- of TJ are grubby families that forego UVA for full merit ride to another college. And the elites offer such good financial aid, anyone under $200K has eyes on them for financial aid.

Sorta. Many TJ kids are excellent students who get a significant amount of merit aid to attend a better engineering school. For all the UVA worship, UVA is only meh in engineering. And I'm not sure why considering merit aid is "grubby". What is wrong with spending less money to go to a better school?

Pull up the UVA engineering rankings. Look at all the schools that are better than them in engineering. Compare the list of schools better than UVA in engineering with the list of TJ acceptances. Notice anything?

Many TJ students are not planning to be engineers.

But many are. The US News top undergrad engineering schools, with number of TJ kids:

1. MIT (8)
2. Stanford (5)
3. Berkley. (11)
4. Cal Tech. (1)
GA Tech (1)
6. Illinois (9)
Michigan (16)
8. CMU. (15)
9. Cornell (13)
Purdue (7)

So, TJ is sending 86 kids out of approx 450 to a top 10 engineering school. 128 to top ten plus VT (currently ranked 16th). That's why the list is impressive.

BTW-- the engineering and CS lists are nearly identical.

NP. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. Just because its a top 10 engineering school doesn't mean all of the students going there are studying engineering. My kid goes to one of the schools on the list and is not studying engineering.

Many TJ grads major in CS/engineering and some of them become patent attorneys, physicians with CS/engineering background, management consultants or quants at hedge funds, Quant funds or Ibanks. The trend is to hire CS & engineers at these companies. http://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-quants-today-kings-of-wall-street/5BECBC7F-ADC8-422A-9FE2-B1A12E6114BB.html?mod=cx_picks&cx_navSource=cx_picks&cx_tag=contextual&cx_artPos=2#cxrecs_s

So yes, many of them do study engineering/CS as an undergraduate. STEM majors are extremely in demand at consulting companies, hedge funds and investment banks and at law firms as well. Tell your kids to major in STEM especially CS or engineering.

Completely agree with this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. If one cannot gain admission to UVA after attending TJ, what, then, was the point?

Lot -- most? -- of TJ are grubby families that forego UVA for full merit ride to another college. And the elites offer such good financial aid, anyone under $200K has eyes on them for financial aid.

Sorta. Many TJ kids are excellent students who get a significant amount of merit aid to attend a better engineering school. For all the UVA worship, UVA is only meh in engineering. And I'm not sure why considering merit aid is "grubby". What is wrong with spending less money to go to a better school?

Pull up the UVA engineering rankings. Look at all the schools that are better than them in engineering. Compare the list of schools better than UVA in engineering with the list of TJ acceptances. Notice anything?

Many TJ students are not planning to be engineers.

But many are. The US News top undergrad engineering schools, with number of TJ kids:

1. MIT (8)
2. Stanford (5)
3. Berkley. (11)
4. Cal Tech. (1)
GA Tech (1)
6. Illinois (9)
Michigan (16)
8. CMU. (15)
9. Cornell (13)
Purdue (7)

So, TJ is sending 86 kids out of approx 450 to a top 10 engineering school. 128 to top ten plus VT (currently ranked 16th). That's why the list is impressive.

BTW-- the engineering and CS lists are nearly identical.

NP. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. Just because its a top 10 engineering school doesn't mean all of the students going there are studying engineering. My kid goes to one of the schools on the list and is not studying engineering.

Did your kid graduate from TJ.

CMU, Tufts, Wake Forest and Michigan are all clumped together in the mid-20s on US News national university. 0 to Wake Forest. 0 to Tufts. 16 to CMU. 17 to Michigan. Naviace shows over 1300 applications to CMU. 816 to Michigan. 213 to Tufts. 146 to Wake. Now, I wonder what the difference could be? Thinking... thinking...

Maybe quit twisting yourself in a pretzel trying to prove TJ does not do a good job with college placement in STEM, and say nice job?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!

My public school in the middle of New York with all middle class kids, pulling only from a town of 27,000, sent four kids to Harvard my graduating year - fact. Get over yourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. If one cannot gain admission to UVA after attending TJ, what, then, was the point?

Lot -- most? -- of TJ are grubby families that forego UVA for full merit ride to another college. And the elites offer such good financial aid, anyone under $200K has eyes on them for financial aid.

Sorta. Many TJ kids are excellent students who get a significant amount of merit aid to attend a better engineering school. For all the UVA worship, UVA is only meh in engineering. And I'm not sure why considering merit aid is "grubby". What is wrong with spending less money to go to a better school?

Pull up the UVA engineering rankings. Look at all the schools that are better than them in engineering. Compare the list of schools better than UVA in engineering with the list of TJ acceptances. Notice anything?

Many TJ students are not planning to be engineers.

But many are. The US News top undergrad engineering schools, with number of TJ kids:

1. MIT (8)
2. Stanford (5)
3. Berkley. (11)
4. Cal Tech. (1)
GA Tech (1)
6. Illinois (9)
Michigan (16)
8. CMU. (15)
9. Cornell (13)
Purdue (7)

So, TJ is sending 86 kids out of approx 450 to a top 10 engineering school. 128 to top ten plus VT (currently ranked 16th). That's why the list is impressive.

BTW-- the engineering and CS lists are nearly identical.

NP. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. Just because its a top 10 engineering school doesn't mean all of the students going there are studying engineering. My kid goes to one of the schools on the list and is not studying engineering.

Did your kid graduate from TJ.

CMU, Tufts, Wake Forest and Michigan are all clumped together in the mid-20s on US News national university. 0 to Wake Forest. 0 to Tufts. 16 to CMU. 17 to Michigan. Naviace shows over 1300 applications to CMU. 816 to Michigan. 213 to Tufts. 146 to Wake. Now, I wonder what the difference could be? Thinking... thinking...

Maybe quit twisting yourself in a pretzel trying to prove TJ does not do a good job with college placement in STEM, and say nice job?

Fine results in themselves, but not up to expectations from prior years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!

My public school in the middle of New York with all middle class kids, pulling only from a town of 27,000, sent four kids to Harvard my graduating year - fact. Get over yourselves.

When did you graduate? It's become alot tougher to get into the elite schools compared to even a few years ago. Harvard accepted 5.2% this year vs. 5.4% last year vs. 11.3% in 2000. Stanford accepted 4.65% this year vs. 13% in 2000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!

My public school in the middle of New York with all middle class kids, pulling only from a town of 27,000, sent four kids to Harvard my graduating year - fact. Get over yourselves.

Did they send on average 10-15 kids to MIT, 8-12 kids to Stanford, 10-14 to Duke, 6-11 to Berkeley, 15-20 to Michigan, 12-19 to Cornell, 10-18 to Princeton, 6-9 to Yale per year etc. etc. based on the admissions record of the past 10 years?