Fillmore killed....again.

Anonymous
I wouldn't disagree with closing Ross either.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't disagree with closing Ross either.


Close any high school with <500 students, the size of most nwdc elementary schools.
Anonymous
Why do Filmore supporters keep coming back with odd arguments like - close any HSs with less than 500 students?
The under-enrolled HSs are a completely different story.
They have the capacity for more students. DCPS is working on making these schools more attractive to more families by renovating buildings, adding AP courses, having a focus such as global studies. Roosevelt has a dual language track.
Filmore for just 4 schools does not make sense. Isn't there any space at the adjacent rec center that Stoddert can use?
I may be mad too if my kid used Filmore but sometimes you have to take into account the larger perspective. It can't always be me! me! me!
Anonymous
If DCPS and OSSE made a concerted, focused effort to find and eliminate out of state residency fraud in DC, they could save a lot of money that is otherwise being allocated to educate kids from Maryland. This money could go to specialized teachers, tutors and, yes, arts education.
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Anonymous wrote:When art finally got a dedicated space at Murch (about 4 years ago) it was in a trailer without running water. It was literally just a small, old trailer without area to hang or dry any art. It was so bad that the art teacher quit over the situation. You know what happened? The parents demanded more. There are portable sinks that have running water. Shelving units were donated. The best part is that when a new teacher was hired she didn't care. She was just excited to be teaching art to children.

A kiln or studio space?!? Ha! The school didn't have a kitchen! They turned a bathroom into a nurse's office.

With some creative thinking this can be done but with Fillmore the schools and parents can't seem to think outside the box.




Don't kid yourself, it's not "creative thinking." What is far more obvious and significant here is "lowering expectations." DCPS created an art situation that was so bad that the art teacher quit. Then (because DCPS wouldn't do anything about it) parents with resources raised enough funds for SINKS IN A TRAILER, and SHELVING.

Yay! Success!

How about we address the ridiculous overspending, and divert that $100M+ (for 300 students) at Coolidge (a school that's been a failure by any definition for decades) to several successful elementary schools (ALL of which are larger than Coolidge and NONE of which employ felons)?




This was made at the school level -- not a dictate from DCPS. I think that is what the Fillmore parents are missing. Their schools are serving them mediocre art at an off site location which costs more than hiring a great art teacher. How is that so hard to see or good for kids? Just because they won't create the space doesn't mean there isn't space. Besides Marie Reed, we are talking about schools with very low FARMs levels. Come on -- these parents have resources and PTAs!




Nonsense!

DCPS is literally bleeding money. Why should PTAs have to solve this problem?

Mayor Bowwow is a hack. That doesn't mean the children at Key or Ross should have to pay for her cronyism.


Bowser is the biggest, throwback political hack in the mayor's office since the infamous days of the late (not great) mayor-for-life Marion B.arry.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If DCPS and OSSE made a concerted, focused effort to find and eliminate out of state residency fraud in DC, they could save a lot of money that is otherwise being allocated to educate kids from Maryland. This money could go to specialized teachers, tutors and, yes, arts education.


Actually public education in DC is funded on a per-pupil basis. In the short term expelling residency cheats would result in a budget cut. That's part of the problem.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry people - Filmore does not make sense for the school system as a whole.
This is one area where I support DCPS. It is about basic equity.
We would all love to have our kids go to Filmore but most DCPS kids don't have this opportunity.
Art and music $$ need to be spread out equally. I don't believe for a minute that there is not one inch of spare space
at these schools. Deal is at least 30% over capacity but somehow they find space for activities.
Everyone has to make concessions including the Filmore schools. If there really isn't space, walk kids to the closest school or to Hardy or Duke Ellington.
There are ways to figure this out rather than just stonewalling.


The problem with the equity argument as framed is that the logical conclusion is that no school can ever be better than the worst, in every aspect. That's a race to the bottom.
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DCPS has had Fillmore on the chopping block for years because it no longer serves the students it did years ago. No educator in their right mind would set up such a system today. Luckily for Fillmore, they were the Ellington before the current Ellington and were able to co-habitate with Hardy MS to placate the locals.


Completely wrong.

This article gives an overview of the history of Fillmore: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1988/06/16/6-northwest-schools-prosper-under-cluster-plan/5f11b7d3-6f80-437b-b689-c00d38c4df4a/

The history of Fillmore is intimately tied up with the history of Hardy. In 1972 DCPS wanted to close six small elementary schools that were south of Massachusetts and west of Wisconsin: Key, Mann, Stoddert, Hyde, Hardy and Fillmore. Hardy elementary was on Foxhall Road where Hardy Rec Center is now, the Fillmore Elementary building is now owned by GW University but was at 35th and S, just south of what is now Hardy Middle School. All six schools were severely underenrolled -- I recall Key had something like 40 students -- and the facilities were antiquated, with no auditoriums, gyms, libraries or art facilities. The plan from DCPS was to build a single consolidated elementary school with a modern building.

The parents at the six schools didn't like this idea. They were already disgruntled that they fed into a large junior high school -- Gordon Junior High -- which was about 90% out-of-boundary and not appealing to in-boundary families. They came up with a counter-proposal: close two of the schools, Hardy and Fillmore, and consolidate the students into the remaining four. Convert Hardy into a middle school, and have the four feed into it. Convert the old Fillmore school into an arts center, and have each school bus their kids to Fillmore one day a week for specials: art and music at Fillmore, gym at Jelleff, and library at the Georgetown Library. The fifth day of the week middle school kids from Hardy would come over. This was done to counter DCPS' contention that the schools were not viable without gyms, libraries and art facilities.

DCPS hated this plan, but the parents got the council to approve it over DCPS's objection. It went into effect in 1974, and for 42 years, every couple of years DCPS has tried to kill it. In 1996, after 22 years of trying, DCPS was able to kill the Hardy Middle School on Foxhall Road through an ingenious sleight of hand -- they renamed the old Gordon Junior High to Hardy Middle School and closed Gordon instead of Hardy! Less than ten years later they moved Hardy to Hamilton Education Campus in Northeast for several years while the old Gordon building was renovated. That move was the death-knell for Hardy as any kind of neighborhood school.

Around that time the Fillmore program was moved into the third floor of the Hardy building. Then the Fillmore Building was sold to the Corcoran School of Art, when they went bankrupt GW bought it.

Key was the first of the four schools to be renovated, in 2003, followed by Stoddert, then Mann; Hyde is due next year. When Key was renovated it had an art room and a music room, along with a library and a gym. DCPS' problem is that enrollment has surged. The art and music rooms have since been converted to classrooms and Key now has trailers in the parking lot. A similar thing has happened at Stoddert, which also has trailers.

I heard a rumor that what's driving it this time is that DCPS has been unable to find swing space for the Hyde renovation.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry people - Filmore does not make sense for the school system as a whole.
This is one area where I support DCPS. It is about basic equity.
We would all love to have our kids go to Filmore but most DCPS kids don't have this opportunity.
Art and music $$ need to be spread out equally. I don't believe for a minute that there is not one inch of spare space
at these schools. Deal is at least 30% over capacity but somehow they find space for activities.
Everyone has to make concessions including the Filmore schools. If there really isn't space, walk kids to the closest school or to Hardy or Duke Ellington.
There are ways to figure this out rather than just stonewalling.


The problem with the equity argument as framed is that the logical conclusion is that no school can ever be better than the worst, in every aspect. That's a race to the bottom.


This. Since key and stoddert wont have art and music rooms, no other schools can have them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry people - Filmore does not make sense for the school system as a whole.
This is one area where I support DCPS. It is about basic equity.
We would all love to have our kids go to Filmore but most DCPS kids don't have this opportunity.
Art and music $$ need to be spread out equally. I don't believe for a minute that there is not one inch of spare space
at these schools. Deal is at least 30% over capacity but somehow they find space for activities.
Everyone has to make concessions including the Filmore schools. If there really isn't space, walk kids to the closest school or to Hardy or Duke Ellington.
There are ways to figure this out rather than just stonewalling.


The problem with the equity argument as framed is that the logical conclusion is that no school can ever be better than the worst, in every aspect. That's a race to the bottom.


This. Since key and stoddert wont have art and music rooms, no other schools can have them.

Fair's fair.
Anonymous
Thanks for the True history of Fillmore. Fillmore has shown its merit over 43 years, and continues to serve its original purpose: to provide arts and music classes for schools that simply don't have them. It's a disgrace that DCPS still believes "the nail that sticks out should get hammered."

Or, maybe the "kill Fillmore" drive is simply about convenience this time: Hyde needs a place to live while its Georgetown buildings are renovated, and Fillmore looks like the easiest bug to squash on the way to making a temporary space for Hyde at Hardy, for who knows how many years.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't disagree with closing Ross either.



Ross is very small, yes. But this small environment has been very successful in serving kids from different cultures, speaking different languages, coming from different socioeconomic situations. It wouldn't make sense to close a school that is academically successful and also successful in closing the achievement gap.

But yes, when it comes to the small size being a limiting factor in ability to provide a range of specials, it is an issue. No room for expansion in this tiny building and tiny playground.

People have primarily discussed the loss of art on this thread, and my child has really enjoyed the art at Fillmore. But there is also the loss of music, and the known links between music and math. It's only once a week, and I'm not versed on the data regarding how much music is needed to have a positive effect on improving or reinforcing skills in math. But what I do know is that a lot of kids are getting exposure to music who would not otherwise have this opportunity. There are plenty of Ross families who do not have the resources to give their kid music lessons outside of school.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know there is no room to expand at Ross. And among other costs of suddenly moving a program in house, the startup costs to suddenly have a stash of instruments to loan to all the families who can't afford to rent an instrument is not insignificant. And those loaner instruments have been a great equalizer so that all kids can have the same experience and not feel left out because their family can't afford it. I would wish this opportunity for every kid in DCPS.
Anonymous
Key has more students than Coolidge. So key should get a huge new building too. Not one built for 340 students.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't disagree with closing Ross either.



Ross is very small, yes. But this small environment has been very successful in serving kids from different cultures, speaking different languages, coming from different socioeconomic situations. It wouldn't make sense to close a school that is academically successful and also successful in closing the achievement gap.

But yes, when it comes to the small size being a limiting factor in ability to provide a range of specials, it is an issue. No room for expansion in this tiny building and tiny playground.

People have primarily discussed the loss of art on this thread, and my child has really enjoyed the art at Fillmore. But there is also the loss of music, and the known links between music and math. It's only once a week, and I'm not versed on the data regarding how much music is needed to have a positive effect on improving or reinforcing skills in math. But what I do know is that a lot of kids are getting exposure to music who would not otherwise have this opportunity. There are plenty of Ross families who do not have the resources to give their kid music lessons outside of school.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know there is no room to expand at Ross. And among other costs of suddenly moving a program in house, the startup costs to suddenly have a stash of instruments to loan to all the families who can't afford to rent an instrument is not insignificant. And those loaner instruments have been a great equalizer so that all kids can have the same experience and not feel left out because their family can't afford it. I would wish this opportunity for every kid in DCPS.


So would you be opposed to arts education once a week at Garrison, Reed or SWWFS?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
DCPS has had Fillmore on the chopping block for years because it no longer serves the students it did years ago. No educator in their right mind would set up such a system today. Luckily for Fillmore, they were the Ellington before the current Ellington and were able to co-habitate with Hardy MS to placate the locals.


Completely wrong.

This article gives an overview of the history of Fillmore: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1988/06/16/6-northwest-schools-prosper-under-cluster-plan/5f11b7d3-6f80-437b-b689-c00d38c4df4a/

The history of Fillmore is intimately tied up with the history of Hardy. In 1972 DCPS wanted to close six small elementary schools that were south of Massachusetts and west of Wisconsin: Key, Mann, Stoddert, Hyde, Hardy and Fillmore. Hardy elementary was on Foxhall Road where Hardy Rec Center is now, the Fillmore Elementary building is now owned by GW University but was at 35th and S, just south of what is now Hardy Middle School. All six schools were severely underenrolled -- I recall Key had something like 40 students -- and the facilities were antiquated, with no auditoriums, gyms, libraries or art facilities. The plan from DCPS was to build a single consolidated elementary school with a modern building.

The parents at the six schools didn't like this idea. They were already disgruntled that they fed into a large junior high school -- Gordon Junior High -- which was about 90% out-of-boundary and not appealing to in-boundary families. They came up with a counter-proposal: close two of the schools, Hardy and Fillmore, and consolidate the students into the remaining four. Convert Hardy into a middle school, and have the four feed into it. Convert the old Fillmore school into an arts center, and have each school bus their kids to Fillmore one day a week for specials: art and music at Fillmore, gym at Jelleff, and library at the Georgetown Library. The fifth day of the week middle school kids from Hardy would come over. This was done to counter DCPS' contention that the schools were not viable without gyms, libraries and art facilities.

DCPS hated this plan, but the parents got the council to approve it over DCPS's objection. It went into effect in 1974, and for 42 years, every couple of years DCPS has tried to kill it. In 1996, after 22 years of trying, DCPS was able to kill the Hardy Middle School on Foxhall Road through an ingenious sleight of hand -- they renamed the old Gordon Junior High to Hardy Middle School and closed Gordon instead of Hardy! Less than ten years later they moved Hardy to Hamilton Education Campus in Northeast for several years while the old Gordon building was renovated. That move was the death-knell for Hardy as any kind of neighborhood school.

Around that time the Fillmore program was moved into the third floor of the Hardy building. Then the Fillmore Building was sold to the Corcoran School of Art, when they went bankrupt GW bought it.

Key was the first of the four schools to be renovated, in 2003, followed by Stoddert, then Mann; Hyde is due next year. When Key was renovated it had an art room and a music room, along with a library and a gym. DCPS' problem is that enrollment has surged. The art and music rooms have since been converted to classrooms and Key now has trailers in the parking lot. A similar thing has happened at Stoddert, which also has trailers.

I heard a rumor that what's driving it this time is that DCPS has been unable to find swing space for the Hyde renovation.


Great history. Times have changed just a bit since 1974.
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