Lemonade

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Anonymous wrote:This is what the Hold Up violence draws from... and WELP... It's art from a white woman!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a56RPZ_cbdc

Typical white feminist. You just have to make everything about you.

Well actually, you're kind of making it all about *you*. Other people are just pointing out that all the art and input Beyonce used on Lemonade didn't come from 100% black collaborators. She pulled from various places, mostly African and black, but not everything is BLACK INSPIRED.

No one said that it was 100% Black inspired. But why did pp feel the need to gleefully point out (with 5 exclamation marks) one white woman's contribution? What point are you trying to make? And other posters are listing all the white artists that Beyoncé collaborated with, as if that somehow makes Lemonade less of a celebration of Black women.

Lemonade is pretty sad. I wouldn't call it a celebration of anything unless you enjoy pain, hurt, sorrow, infidelity, etc.

Then it went over your head.

You are very good at insulting people.

[Anonymous]

Can someone explain to me why JayZ would appear in a video about infidelity he committed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what the Hold Up violence draws from... and WELP... It's art from a white woman!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a56RPZ_cbdc

Typical white feminist. You just have to make everything about you.

Well actually, you're kind of making it all about *you*. Other people are just pointing out that all the art and input Beyonce used on Lemonade didn't come from 100% black collaborators. She pulled from various places, mostly African and black, but not everything is BLACK INSPIRED.

No one said that it was 100% Black inspired. But why did pp feel the need to gleefully point out (with 5 exclamation marks) one white woman's contribution? What point are you trying to make? And other posters are listing all the white artists that Beyoncé collaborated with, as if that somehow makes Lemonade less of a celebration of Black women.

Lemonade is pretty sad. I wouldn't call it a celebration of anything unless you enjoy pain, hurt, sorrow, infidelity, etc.

Then it went over your head.

The things PP listed are life. Period. Especially for black women. So unless you think the existence of the black woman is sadness personified, you need to look at the end. Lemonade is so much more than pain, hurt, sorrow, infidelity. It's redemption, forgiveness, hope, freedom, and above everything, love.

I love you! Say it!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.bustle.com/articles/120684-7-things-feminists-of-color-want-white-feminists-to-know

This link explains some of the issues that women of color have with white feminism.

Christ, so tell me when you'll be happy? White women are fighting the fight, too against the Patriarchy... There are plenty of white woman struggles that you can't say you know because you are not white... and save it, do not tell me they do not exist because you are not me and do not know my experiences. Being white isn't the end all be all magical goodness to privilege and if you think it is then you are pretty stupid.

I don't believe Beyonce had a "BLACK FEMINIST" sign lit up at the mtv video awards, it simply said "FEMINIST"....

NP here. You're showing your true colors with this answer.

I mean, really #6 is We Want To Be Heard.

Did you even know about womanism and interSectionality until just now? This was your opportunity to learn and you missed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why JayZ would appear in a video about infidelity he committed?

To make lots of money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.bustle.com/articles/120684-7-things-feminists-of-color-want-white-feminists-to-know

This link explains some of the issues that women of color have with white feminism.

Christ, so tell me when you'll be happy? White women are fighting the fight, too against the Patriarchy... There are plenty of white woman struggles that you can't say you know because you are not white... and save it, do not tell me they do not exist because you are not me and do not know my experiences. Being white isn't the end all be all magical goodness to privilege and if you think it is then you are pretty stupid.

I don't believe Beyonce had a "BLACK FEMINIST" sign lit up at the mtv video awards, it simply said "FEMINIST"....

NP here. You're showing your true colors with this answer.

I mean, really #6 is We Want To Be Heard.

Did you even know about womanism and interSectionality until just now? This was your opportunity to learn and you missed it.

Most people who have taken women's studies courses know these terms. They are not new.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.bustle.com/articles/120684-7-things-feminists-of-color-want-white-feminists-to-know

This link explains some of the issues that women of color have with white feminism.

Christ, so tell me when you'll be happy? White women are fighting the fight, too against the Patriarchy... There are plenty of white woman struggles that you can't say you know because you are not white... and save it, do not tell me they do not exist because you are not me and do not know my experiences. Being white isn't the end all be all magical goodness to privilege and if you think it is then you are pretty stupid.

I don't believe Beyonce had a "BLACK FEMINIST" sign lit up at the mtv video awards, it simply said "FEMINIST"....

NP here. You're showing your true colors with this answer.

I mean, really #6 is We Want To Be Heard.

Did you even know about womanism and interSectionality until just now? This was your opportunity to learn and you missed it.

Most people who have taken women's studies courses know these terms. They are not new.

Good, so you're familiar with Black feminism. You should also read up on cultural relativism.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand any controversy or backlash about this release, or the specific genre of feminism articulated by Beyonce in Lemonade.

The album is very clearly meant to relate to black women (and yes, specifically black feminism), and the historical roots that affect how experiences often play out for black America women - specifically with a Southern focus. That "brand" of feminism is obvious in Lemonade, and seems to be very much needed as a voice.

It doesn't mean anyone else isn't allowed to relate. I tend to look much more white, although technically I'm mixed white & Asian. I come from immigrants, who were affected by colonialism, and though one side is European, they were poor and rural. I carry an experience relevant to my own family's experiences, but Lemonade can still resonate with me, too.

We've all got out own personal niches and demographics that experienced their owns struggles (perhaps some more than others). I can connect to the visual album/lyrics, while simultaneously understanding and respecting that Lemonade was not precisely meant for me. That's ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand any controversy or backlash about this release, or the specific genre of feminism articulated by Beyonce in Lemonade.

The album is very clearly meant to relate to black women (and yes, specifically black feminism), and the historical roots that affect how experiences often play out for black America women - specifically with a Southern focus. That "brand" of feminism is obvious in Lemonade, and seems to be very much needed as a voice.

It doesn't mean anyone else isn't allowed to relate. I tend to look much more white, although technically I'm mixed white & Asian. I come from immigrants, who were affected by colonialism, and though one side is European, they were poor and rural. I carry an experience relevant to my own family's experiences, but Lemonade can still resonate with me, too.

We've all got out own personal niches and demographics that experienced their owns struggles (perhaps some more than others). I can connect to the visual album/lyrics, while simultaneously understanding and respecting that Lemonade was not precisely meant for me. That's ok.

THANK you! Finally a simple and real answer. I think people take offense when being told you CAN'T possibly relate to something not intended for you. That's ridiculous IMO. Its ok for something to be aimed at someone else- its ok to not be part of someone's priority! It does not mean that you don't matter at all or can't find connection to something. I'd wager that Beyonce herself would say the same (barring of course the financial motivation to do so!) "this is who I was mostly writing this for, I'm glad others can see their experience here too". Easier than 10 pages

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand any controversy or backlash about this release, or the specific genre of feminism articulated by Beyonce in Lemonade.

The album is very clearly meant to relate to black women (and yes, specifically black feminism), and the historical roots that affect how experiences often play out for black America women - specifically with a Southern focus. That "brand" of feminism is obvious in Lemonade, and seems to be very much needed as a voice.

It doesn't mean anyone else isn't allowed to relate. I tend to look much more white, although technically I'm mixed white & Asian. I come from immigrants, who were affected by colonialism, and though one side is European, they were poor and rural. I carry an experience relevant to my own family's experiences, but Lemonade can still resonate with me, too.

We've all got out own personal niches and demographics that experienced their owns struggles (perhaps some more than others). I can connect to the visual album/lyrics, while simultaneously understanding and respecting that Lemonade was not precisely meant for me. That's ok.

THANK you! Finally a simple and real answer. I think people take offense when being told you CAN'T possibly relate to something not intended for you. That's ridiculous IMO. Its ok for something to be aimed at someone else- its ok to not be part of someone's priority! It does not mean that you don't matter at all or can't find connection to something. I'd wager that Beyonce herself would say the same (barring of course the financial motivation to do so!) "this is who I was mostly writing this for, I'm glad others can see their experience here too". Easier than 10 pages

I'm at a loss how that's so difficult to understand. It's like multitasking. How effing difficult is it to recognize that something was not made for you or to speak to/about/for you... but also understand that you can still like that same something?

I feel like those people who aren't understanding this very simple dichotomy are just playing a pointless, hardass devil's advocate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what the Hold Up violence draws from... and WELP... It's art from a white woman!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a56RPZ_cbdc

Typical white feminist. You just have to make everything about you.

I agree with you that Pp is weird to point that out and is making it about white women for no apparent reason, but you're off base with "typical white feminist". There are as many different kinds of white feminists as there are different kinds of black feminists. Don't belittle and stereotype based on race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what the Hold Up violence draws from... and WELP... It's art from a white woman!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a56RPZ_cbdc

Typical white feminist. You just have to make everything about you.

I agree with you that Pp is weird to point that out and is making it about white women for no apparent reason, but you're off base with "typical white feminist". There are as many different kinds of white feminists as there are different kinds of black feminists. Don't belittle and stereotype based on race.

You're right, that was a low blow. I apologize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what the Hold Up violence draws from... and WELP... It's art from a white woman!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a56RPZ_cbdc

Typical white feminist. You just have to make everything about you.

I agree with you that Pp is weird to point that out and is making it about white women for no apparent reason, but you're off base with "typical white feminist". There are as many different kinds of white feminists as there are different kinds of black feminists. Don't belittle and stereotype based on race.

You're right, that was a low blow. I apologize.

Thanks! I appreciate that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:true. Formation is awesome but then got ends flat when she basically confuses true feminist empowerment with counting your "paper" or money. That does prey on a certain segment of the black population.

What do you consider "true feminist empowerment"? Women of color are more likely to likely to be impoverished. Economic empowerment seems like a perfectly reasonable goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why JayZ would appear in a video about infidelity he committed?

Blackland logic.

So dapper.