One compelling reason centers need to go
![[Post New]](/jforum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif){kind=icon}
Anonymous
Calculated in the same basis that shows Kilmer at 36% AAP and Longfellow at 50% AAP (the FCPS monthly membership reports), Jackson is currently 24% AAP. Some people look at information on the individual school profiles without realizing students get double counted in those numbers or that the students identified as receiving LLIV services include students who are not in the full-time AAP programs at those schools. |
Anonymous
| ^ Longfellow at 40% AAP. |
Anonymous
Dashboard shows AAP as a portion of total students in the grade, excluding SE students. |
Anonymous
| The Dashboard data should tie to the information in the monthly membership report for the month reported on the Dashboard. They try to load a lot of different data onto the Dashboard, though, and sometimes they get it wrong, which is why I look at the monthly membership reports. The latter are updated monthly so you can quickly spot data glitches. However, unlike the Dashboard, the monthly reports don't purport to break down the number of AAP students by grade level, only by school. |
Anonymous
Again: WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO? FFS. There are several parents from Colvin Run who post here, not just one. You seem to be addressing all your posts to this one person. My kids don't even go to CR (they unfortunately attend another center), but I agree with every word these people have to say. I haven't seen anyone call AAP kids brats, but I sure did see the recent post calling GE kids brats. Seems that's ok by you. And to say that "most AAP posters are just too restrained/nice to fight back" was hysterical. Some of the nastiest posters on DCUM are the AAP parents right here on this forum. As for me, I'm not at all upset that my child wasn't selected for AAP. I never assumed s/he would be, so that wasn't an issue. The issue arises when the GE classes are depleted because of pushy parents clamoring, appealing, and WISC-ing their kids into AAP. The problem I and other parents have with AAP is the entitlement mentality that so many parents involved with this program have. If this were a private school, no problem. But as it's a public school system, many of us are fed up with this one program taking up so much bandwidth. And by the way: the thread title is "One Compelling Reason Centers Need to Go," so those anti-center posts you're talking about are perfectly relevant here. I can think of far more than one reason and I'm not going to be intimidated by you or anyone else into keeping quiet about it. The basic reasons centers need to go have to do with all centers, not just CR. |
Anonymous
1. How exactly do you know that more than one CR parent posts on an anonymous Internet forum, especially if Your kids don't go there? Are you Jeff? 2. 17% of the kids in AAP don't "deplete" anything. 3. You clearly aren't reading a large portion of the posts, because there are indeed one or more GE parents who don't constructively criticize, but are just nasty about the AAP program, the AAP parents, and, yes, the AAP kids. |
Anonymous
| ^^ and I have never seen anyone call all GE kids brats. I did see someone say that maybe the CR mom's kids were brats. Now, I personally think that's not called for, because I don't believe in dragging kids into the adults' disputes (unlike one or more of the GE parents on this forum). But I can see how the PP was provoked and understand the urge to push back. |
Anonymous
Yep. It's unrealistic to expect the classroom teacher to differentiate for every kid, yet that's what happens in Gen Ed and the result is a mediocre education, frankly. I've had kids in both, so I've sen it first hand. |
Anonymous
1. I know that more than one CR parent posts here because I'm friends with two of them, and I know which posts are theirs and obviously which posts are mine. Therefore, the other posts are written by other people. Get it? I know it's difficult to comprehend that more than one person isn't aboard the AAP center fan club train, but it's true. 2. 17% (more is actually likely) when compounded into a center school create a ginormous imbalance between the few GE classes and the many AAP. And because this thread is about centers, the center environment is what I'm referring to. Not a typical base school. 3. I've read every one of these posts, though I don't chime in often. There are absolutely some ugly comments written by AAP parents about GE kids. Please don't pretend it's only GE parents. |
Anonymous
Please stop with the sanctimony. Also, if you can understand how the PP was "provoked" and pushed back (?), then I'm quite sure you can understand when GE parents are also provoked and push back. Right? |
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure that our kids don't care about these disputes as much as we do and they are the ones who are experiencing school first hand. Man, if only our kids can actually see what goes down in here, I wonder what they would think. |
Anonymous
I am the PP that called the poster's kid a brat. That was mostly because, well, I have never met the kids, so I can't say. I figured, though, anyone raised by someone so dense they could be considered a black-hole, or to be more generous, a Neutron Star, had to have raised snowflakes, aka DCUM speak for brat. My complaint remains unanswered: The Neutron Star is looking at a combination of two anomalous events: the 2013 surge due to ridiculously high CogAT scores in some populations, and 2) the extreme overcrowding at Louise Archer. Both issues have been dealt with; however, with a goal to minimize the impact on the students, many kids were grandfathered in. Perhaps, though, there is an issue with the administration at CR in favoring the center kids over the gen-Ed population? That is grounds to work through the PTA and school system, not to torch a system that is functioning at the 95% level. At Louise Archer, I never saw any harm to the GenEd kids, except for the extreme overcrowding of the school (which has improved significantly; now it is just overcrowded). But, without AAP, my DD would have always been one of the top 3-5 kids in every class. She would have become bored with the worksheets, and would have become disruptive. If we had LLIV, at her school, there would have been one class, and she would have been with the same students from 3-6. On the other hand, her arch-nemesis would have never gone to LA. The biggest problem with the system, though, is people like the Neutron Star, who apparently chose the school because of the good test scores (great Schools ranking?) without looking at why. Centers have better SOL pass rates because AAP kids are, on average, significantly smarter than non-AAP kids. So, they will tend to pass and a near 100% rate with little effort. (Side comment: TJ has a 100% SOL pass rate because they only take kids from the top 6% of the county.) |
Anonymous
Even more reason why I feel like I should disqualify a lot of the anti-AAP comments. I just really feel like Langley is their own little bubble and doesn't speak for FCPS as a whole. So if they want to do something different for their pyramid because of the huge numbers of AAP students which FCPS has also agreed to, go right ahead, but don't drag down the rest of FCPS with you. You don't speak for all of FCPS. |
Anonymous
| 9:59 Louise Archer is no longer overcrowded and next year and the year after will be even less so. Although it's possible the town will make them remove some of their trailers and who knows if that school will ever have SACC. |
Anonymous
You sound like a charmer. Perhaps you don't realize that many people didn't "choose" Colvin Run? It became our base school when it was built and boundaries changed. Great Falls Elementary was our base school until this boundary change occurred. So your silly theory that most people choose CR due to its high test scores is simply untrue for almost everyone I know. The school was assigned to us. I would never in a million years choose to send my children to center schools. It's amusing that you claim the AAP system is functioning at "the 95% level." How on earth would you know? You complain about those of us who are unhappy with how AAP is implemented at our centers, yet all you can say is that your own center (Louise Archer) seems to be just fine to you. So essentially, you're doing exactly the same thing - saying your little corner of the world is just peachy, so everyone else's must be too. Hypocrite. Your comment that "AAP kids are, on average, significantly smarter than non-AAP kids" just makes it clear to all what a boor you are. Most educated, informed people know that the vast majority of AAP kids overlap with the vast majority of non-AAP kids and are not, on average, "smarter." I know that's a hard pill to swallow though when you continue to insist that your own snowflake would have "always" been one of the top kids in every class without the magical nirvana of AAP. And we certainly wouldn't want Larla to become bored. High school will be a healthy wake up call for you though. All of a sudden, Larla's going to be a little fish in a big pond and I'm wondering how on earth you'll cope with the letdown. |