One compelling reason centers need to go

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child is at grade level in reading (I might be the only mom on DCUM AAP board who's child is not ahead). She's extremely advanced in math. In 2nd grade is multiplying 3 digit numbers and doing long division, oftentimes in her head. The AART and teacher keep pushing for AAP. Her NNAT score already has her in pool. Who knows what CogAT will say but we're just not feeling it. She is an average reader at best and her fluency isn't even that good. So we're not filling out any forms. If she gets in, we may opt out entirely or have her do LLIV. But she is a kid who is very strong in math but does not belong doing advanced verbal/reading education of any kind. In fact, we're thinking of getting her a reading tutor. That said, not sure that's a reason for centers to go. It's just a reason for my child not to go to a center.

Reading can be affected by many things and isn't as highly correlated to intelligence as other factors. There are tons of super intelligent people with so so reading skiils. How is her language otherwise? DC has dyslexia and he has always been significantly below grade level for reading, yet qualifed for AAP.

Here is a child advanced in some areas that qualified her for a center, but clearly not ADVANCED in reading ("significantly below grade level"). But centers are an all-or-nothing proposition. I'm sure the parents of kids who are advanced in language arts would say she is slowing down the pace.

Put all the kids back in their local schools and provide the appropriate differentiation for the appropriate subjects.

AAP is for advanced ACADEMICs. Reading is not academics. It is a skill to access knowledge. Similarly to printing and typing. If a child could not print or type at grade level, they would also not be denied access to AAP if their academic ability qualified them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is at grade level in reading (I might be the only mom on DCUM AAP board who's child is not ahead). She's extremely advanced in math. In 2nd grade is multiplying 3 digit numbers and doing long division, oftentimes in her head. The AART and teacher keep pushing for AAP. Her NNAT score already has her in pool. Who knows what CogAT will say but we're just not feeling it. She is an average reader at best and her fluency isn't even that good. So we're not filling out any forms. If she gets in, we may opt out entirely or have her do LLIV. But she is a kid who is very strong in math but does not belong doing advanced verbal/reading education of any kind. In fact, we're thinking of getting her a reading tutor. That said, not sure that's a reason for centers to go. It's just a reason for my child not to go to a center.

Reading can be affected by many things and isn't as highly correlated to intelligence as other factors. There are tons of super intelligent people with so so reading skiils. How is her language otherwise? DC has dyslexia and he has always been significantly below grade level for reading, yet qualifed for AAP.

Here is a child advanced in some areas that qualified her for a center, but clearly not ADVANCED in reading ("significantly below grade level"). But centers are an all-or-nothing proposition. I'm sure the parents of kids who are advanced in language arts would say she is slowing down the pace.

Put all the kids back in their local schools and provide the appropriate differentiation for the appropriate subjects.

AAP is for advanced ACADEMICs. Reading is not academics. It is a skill to access knowledge. Similarly to printing and typing. If a child could not print or type at grade level, they would also not be denied access to AAP if their academic ability qualified them.

"Reading is not academics."

Dumbest thing I've ever read on here. Truly. So the kids who get into AAP based on their reading abilities, scores and comprehension are phonies?

So your kid isn't "advanced" at reading. Doesn't make it irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is at grade level in reading (I might be the only mom on DCUM AAP board who's child is not ahead). She's extremely advanced in math. In 2nd grade is multiplying 3 digit numbers and doing long division, oftentimes in her head. The AART and teacher keep pushing for AAP. Her NNAT score already has her in pool. Who knows what CogAT will say but we're just not feeling it. She is an average reader at best and her fluency isn't even that good. So we're not filling out any forms. If she gets in, we may opt out entirely or have her do LLIV. But she is a kid who is very strong in math but does not belong doing advanced verbal/reading education of any kind. In fact, we're thinking of getting her a reading tutor. That said, not sure that's a reason for centers to go. It's just a reason for my child not to go to a center.

Reading can be affected by many things and isn't as highly correlated to intelligence as other factors. There are tons of super intelligent people with so so reading skiils. How is her language otherwise? DC has dyslexia and he has always been significantly below grade level for reading, yet qualifed for AAP.

Here is a child advanced in some areas that qualified her for a center, but clearly not ADVANCED in reading ("significantly below grade level"). But centers are an all-or-nothing proposition. I'm sure the parents of kids who are advanced in language arts would say she is slowing down the pace.

Put all the kids back in their local schools and provide the appropriate differentiation for the appropriate subjects.

AAP is for advanced ACADEMICs. Reading is not academics. It is a skill to access knowledge. Similarly to printing and typing. If a child could not print or type at grade level, they would also not be denied access to AAP if their academic ability qualified them.

"Reading is not academics."

Dumbest thing I've ever read on here. Truly. So the kids who get into AAP based on their reading abilities, scores and comprehension are phonies?

So your kid isn't "advanced" at reading. Doesn't make it irrelevant.

It is possible to have dyslexia and to have an extremely high IQ. You are ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Maybe it's better to say reading isn't necessary but is sufficient, rather than trying to argue that reading isn't an academic function.

[Anonymous]

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It is possible to have dyslexia and to have an extremely high IQ. You are ignorant.

Not the PP, but would a dyslexic who reads and tests below grade level belong in an AAP reading module? I would say no.

Hence the problem with the center model.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is at grade level in reading (I might be the only mom on DCUM AAP board who's child is not ahead). She's extremely advanced in math. In 2nd grade is multiplying 3 digit numbers and doing long division, oftentimes in her head. The AART and teacher keep pushing for AAP. Her NNAT score already has her in pool. Who knows what CogAT will say but we're just not feeling it. She is an average reader at best and her fluency isn't even that good. So we're not filling out any forms. If she gets in, we may opt out entirely or have her do LLIV. But she is a kid who is very strong in math but does not belong doing advanced verbal/reading education of any kind. In fact, we're thinking of getting her a reading tutor. That said, not sure that's a reason for centers to go. It's just a reason for my child not to go to a center.

Reading can be affected by many things and isn't as highly correlated to intelligence as other factors. There are tons of super intelligent people with so so reading skiils. How is her language otherwise? DC has dyslexia and he has always been significantly below grade level for reading, yet qualifed for AAP.

Here is a child advanced in some areas that qualified her for a center, but clearly not ADVANCED in reading ("significantly below grade level"). But centers are an all-or-nothing proposition. I'm sure the parents of kids who are advanced in language arts would say she is slowing down the pace.

Put all the kids back in their local schools and provide the appropriate differentiation for the appropriate subjects.

AAP is for advanced ACADEMICs. Reading is not academics. It is a skill to access knowledge. Similarly to printing and typing. If a child could not print or type at grade level, they would also not be denied access to AAP if their academic ability qualified them.

I'm the mom who's child reads at grade level. This is something I've never considered. Definitely has me thinking. Thank you for this. I do wonder, however, if the selection committee agrees with you or sees it like this. I suspect not. Doesn't mean they're correct. Just saying . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is at grade level in reading (I might be the only mom on DCUM AAP board who's child is not ahead). She's extremely advanced in math. In 2nd grade is multiplying 3 digit numbers and doing long division, oftentimes in her head. The AART and teacher keep pushing for AAP. Her NNAT score already has her in pool. Who knows what CogAT will say but we're just not feeling it. She is an average reader at best and her fluency isn't even that good. So we're not filling out any forms. If she gets in, we may opt out entirely or have her do LLIV. But she is a kid who is very strong in math but does not belong doing advanced verbal/reading education of any kind. In fact, we're thinking of getting her a reading tutor. That said, not sure that's a reason for centers to go. It's just a reason for my child not to go to a center.

Reading can be affected by many things and isn't as highly correlated to intelligence as other factors. There are tons of super intelligent people with so so reading skiils. How is her language otherwise? DC has dyslexia and he has always been significantly below grade level for reading, yet qualifed for AAP.

Here is a child advanced in some areas that qualified her for a center, but clearly not ADVANCED in reading ("significantly below grade level"). But centers are an all-or-nothing proposition. I'm sure the parents of kids who are advanced in language arts would say she is slowing down the pace.

Put all the kids back in their local schools and provide the appropriate differentiation for the appropriate subjects.

AAP is for advanced ACADEMICs. Reading is not academics. It is a skill to access knowledge. Similarly to printing and typing. If a child could not print or type at grade level, they would also not be denied access to AAP if their academic ability qualified them.

"Reading is not academics."

Dumbest thing I've ever read on here. Truly. So the kids who get into AAP based on their reading abilities, scores and comprehension are phonies?

So your kid isn't "advanced" at reading. Doesn't make it irrelevant.

It is possible to have dyslexia and to have an extremely high IQ. You are ignorant.

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[Anonymous]

I get what the poster is saying about reading not being academic. Reading comprehension is academic, which is why someone with dyslexia just needs audio books, but the act of reading, no it's not really academic. It's more a skill. So the question is what is the child's reading (audio) comprehension level, not reading fluency or even ability to read if there is a LD.

[Anonymous]

Albert Einstein was dyslexic. According to LD lore he failed to talk until the age of four, the result of a language disability. It is also claimed that Einstein could not read until the age of nine. He so didn't belong in FCPS AAP.

Same goes for Leonardo da Vinci and Thomas Edison, also men who were dyslexic. Nope, no AAP for them.

[Anonymous]

This is ridiculous. No one said dyslexia alone should disqualify a child from AAP. But a child who is reading "significantly below grade level" for ANY reason does not belong in an AAP language arts class. Math? Sure, if he/she qualifies for that. But the center structure is flawed that all children at center are AAP for all subjects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It is possible to have dyslexia and to have an extremely high IQ. You are ignorant.

Not the PP, but would a dyslexic who reads and tests below grade level belong in an AAP reading module? I would say no.

Hence the problem with the center model.

Would you say the same to a blind student who has to have the same type of accomodation? Luckily the law says differently, and does not discriminate based on disability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. No one said dyslexia alone should disqualify a child from AAP. But a child who is reading "significantly below grade level" for ANY reason does not belong in an AAP language arts class. Math? Sure, if he/she qualifies for that. But the center structure is flawed that all children at center are AAP for all subjects.

A student with dyslexia could do well in AAP Language arts curriculum with the support of audio books and a reader. A student with dysleixa has every right to advanced education if he/she qualifies based on intelligence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. No one said dyslexia alone should disqualify a child from AAP. But a child who is reading "significantly below grade level" for ANY reason does not belong in an AAP language arts class. Math? Sure, if he/she qualifies for that. But the center structure is flawed that all children at center are AAP for all subjects.

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Have never understood the center model when so many of those kids aren't advanced in all four core subjects. How many Gen Ed kids are advanced in some, but not all, subjects? Tons. Which begs the questions, why are some in AAP and others are not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Albert Einstein was dyslexic. According to LD lore he failed to talk until the age of four, the result of a language disability. It is also claimed that Einstein could not read until the age of nine. He so didn't belong in FCPS AAP.

Same goes for Leonardo da Vinci and Thomas Edison, also men who were dyslexic. Nope, no AAP for them.

Well if FCPS evaluated him in second grade the man who epitomizes genius surely wouldn't have gotten into AAP, which shows you how dumb the whole thing is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Albert Einstein was dyslexic. According to LD lore he failed to talk until the age of four, the result of a language disability. It is also claimed that Einstein could not read until the age of nine. He so didn't belong in FCPS AAP.

Same goes for Leonardo da Vinci and Thomas Edison, also men who were dyslexic. Nope, no AAP for them.

Well if FCPS evaluated him in second grade the man who epitomizes genius surely wouldn't have gotten into AAP, which shows you how dumb the whole thing is.

Or maybe not:

http://dyslexia.learninginfo.org/einstein.htm