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Anonymous wrote:The only thing TJ is third on is a national ranking of high schools where RM and Blair are ranked 193rd and 500th, respectively.


TJ kids are beaten by magnet kids from ranked 193rd and 500th schools? How embarrassing.


TJ has a higher percentage of kids as nmsf as well. TJ has about 36 % (163/450), Blair science magnet has about 33 %, RM IB has about 35%.


New low even for DCUM standard. So now you are desperate enough to tell a lie? How cow man!


Why do you keep lying about the number of nmsf for TJ as 162 man?

Why do keep lying about TJ class size as being 500 man?

How low can you be man?

Now we know where all the lying at RM comes from don't we man?


I am waiting for a response to the above as well!


Where did you get the 162 and 500 numbers you have been using repeatedly Mr. Truth Seeker?
Anonymous
At this point, it's quite clear the RM/IB parent has lost the argument, so all she's going to do now is spew personal insults and try to make it harder for people to finds the posts on the thread that actually set forth the facts.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The only thing TJ is third on is a national ranking of high schools where RM and Blair are ranked 193rd and 500th, respectively.


TJ kids are beaten by magnet kids from ranked 193rd and 500th schools? How embarrassing.


TJ has a higher percentage of kids as nmsf as well. TJ has about 36 % (163/450), Blair science magnet has about 33 %, RM IB has about 35%.


You lost perspective. Maybe you never had one to begin with. Sad for your kid.


You can't handle the truth.


Very original...

I can handle the truth just fine. It's the f'king liars I have trouble with. Yeah, you guessed it. That means you.


Using profanity indicates that you acknowledge you do not have valid counter arguments and you have lost the argument.


Lost argument for what? that TJ is number 3 behind RM and Blair? Hardly!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The only thing TJ is third on is a national ranking of high schools where RM and Blair are ranked 193rd and 500th, respectively.


TJ kids are beaten by magnet kids from ranked 193rd and 500th schools? How embarrassing.


TJ has a higher percentage of kids as nmsf as well. TJ has about 36 % (163/450), Blair science magnet has about 33 %, RM IB has about 35%.


New low even for DCUM standard. So now you are desperate enough to tell a lie? How cow man!


Why do you keep lying about the number of nmsf for TJ as 162 man?

Why do keep lying about TJ class size as being 500 man?

How low can you be man?

Now we know where all the lying at RM comes from don't we man?


I am waiting for a response to the above as well!


Where did you get the 162 and 500 numbers you have been using repeatedly Mr. Truth Seeker?


Tell me how you got the 35% for the RM first...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The only thing TJ is third on is a national ranking of high schools where RM and Blair are ranked 193rd and 500th, respectively.


TJ kids are beaten by magnet kids from ranked 193rd and 500th schools? How embarrassing.


TJ has a higher percentage of kids as nmsf as well. TJ has about 36 % (163/450), Blair science magnet has about 33 %, RM IB has about 35%.


New low even for DCUM standard. So now you are desperate enough to tell a lie? How cow man!


Why do you keep lying about the number of nmsf for TJ as 162 man?

Why do keep lying about TJ class size as being 500 man?

How low can you be man?

Now we know where all the lying at RM comes from don't we man?


I am waiting for a response to the above as well!


Where did you get the 162 and 500 numbers you have been using repeatedly Mr. Truth Seeker?


Tell me how you got the 35% for the RM first...


Someone already answered that if you pay attention to the posts.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: At this point, it's quite clear the RM/IB parent has lost the argument, so all she's going to do now is spew personal insults and try to make it harder for people to finds the posts on the thread that actually set forth the facts.


+1
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The only thing TJ is third on is a national ranking of high schools where RM and Blair are ranked 193rd and 500th, respectively.


TJ kids are beaten by magnet kids from ranked 193rd and 500th schools? How embarrassing.


TJ has a higher percentage of kids as nmsf as well. TJ has about 36 % (163/450), Blair science magnet has about 33 %, RM IB has about 35%.


I have to ask you given my DC knows all 41. How did you come up with 35%?


I am anxious to see how he responds to your question too.


I am not the poster who suggested the RM IB NMSF percentage was 35%. However, I just looked for some data. The profile for RM's IB program states that roughly 25% of the school's students are in the IB magnet program. RM had 482 seniors last year. That translates to roughly 120 magnet students. Even assuming that all 41 semifinalists were in the magnet program, which may or may not be true, that would be about 35%. It seems like a reasonable estimate. But even if it were understated, the much larger total of NMSF at TJ would still be more relevant.


+100


Take a good look at this one RM IB booster.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The only thing TJ is third on is a national ranking of high schools where RM and Blair are ranked 193rd and 500th, respectively.


TJ kids are beaten by magnet kids from ranked 193rd and 500th schools? How embarrassing.


TJ has a higher percentage of kids as nmsf as well. TJ has about 36 % (163/450), Blair science magnet has about 33 %, RM IB has about 35%.


New low even for DCUM standard. So now you are desperate enough to tell a lie? How cow man!


Why do you keep lying about the number of nmsf for TJ as 162 man?

Why do keep lying about TJ class size as being 500 man?

How low can you be man?

Now we know where all the lying at RM comes from don't we man?


I am waiting for a response to the above as well!


Where did you get the 162 and 500 numbers you have been using repeatedly Mr. Truth Seeker?


Tell me how you got the 35% for the RM first...


You got your answer so where did you get the 162 and 500 numbers? Still waiting...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The only thing TJ is third on is a national ranking of high schools where RM and Blair are ranked 193rd and 500th, respectively.


TJ kids are beaten by magnet kids from ranked 193rd and 500th schools? How embarrassing.


TJ has a higher percentage of kids as nmsf as well. TJ has about 36 % (163/450), Blair science magnet has about 33 %, RM IB has about 35%.


New low even for DCUM standard. So now you are desperate enough to tell a lie? How cow man!


Why do you keep lying about the number of nmsf for TJ as 162 man?

Why do keep lying about TJ class size as being 500 man?

How low can you be man?

Now we know where all the lying at RM comes from don't we man?


I am waiting for a response to the above as well!


Where did you get the 162 and 500 numbers you have been using repeatedly Mr. Truth Seeker?


Tell me how you got the 35% for the RM first...


You got your answer so where did you get the 162 and 500 numbers? Still waiting...


It's clear RM IB parent does not have the basis for saying TJ NMSF number is 162 or TJ class of 2016 is 500. Please do not accuse posters of lying and use profanity/offensive remarks while you use data that you cannot back up. Your behavior reflects badly on RM parents.
Anonymous
Found 2009 top high schools by National Merit Semifinalists

Based on the number of National Merit Semifinalists, these high schools have the brainiest campuses. This is a national and international list that includes 27 countries, nearly 22,000 schools and represents more than 1.5 million students tested.
Top 46 high schools – Top 2%
(Ranking | School | State | # National Merit Semifinalists)
1. * Thomas Jefferson HS Science and Technology VA — 149
2. Stuyvesant HS NY — 96
3. * Troy HS CA — 80
4. University HS CA – 60
5. * Hunter College HS NY — 58
Lynbrook HS CA — 58
6. * North Carolina School Science & Math HS NC — 54
Mission San Jose HS CA — 54
7. Monta Vista HS CA — 53
Montgomery Blair HS MD — 53
8. * Harker School CA — 50
9. * St. Agnes Academy TX — 48
* Torrey Pines HS CA — 48
10. Palo Alto HS CA — 46
11. * Illinois Math & Science Academy IL — 43
12. * Harvard Westlake HS CA — 42
Henry M. Gunn HS CA — 42
13. * Texas Academy of Math & Science TX — 37
Bellaire HS TX — 37
Conestoga HS PA — 37
14. Palos Verdes Peninsula HS CA — 36
* Jesuit HS LA — 36
15. Northview HS GA — 35
Plano HS TX — 35
Westwood HS TX — 35
16. Carmel HS IN — 34
17. * Station College Prep HS FL — 32
Plano West HS TX — 32
Westlake HS TX — 32
Pioneer HS MI — 32
18. Arcada HS CA — 31
New Trier Township HS IL — 31
* DuPont Manual Magnet HS KY — 31
William P. Clements HS TX — 31
* Albuquerque Academy NM — 31
* Horace Mann HS NY — 31
19. West HS WI — 30
* John Burroughs HS MO — 30
20. * Phillips Academy MA — 29
21. * Wilmington Charter School DE — 28
* Lakeside School WA — 28
Richard Montgomery HS MA — 28
Troy HS MI — 28
Eden Prairie HS MN — 28
22. Flower Mound HS TX — 27
Adlai Stevenson HS IL — 27

* Private/Charter/Magnet Schools
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Found 2009 top high schools by National Merit Semifinalists

Based on the number of National Merit Semifinalists, these high schools have the brainiest campuses. This is a national and international list that includes 27 countries, nearly 22,000 schools and represents more than 1.5 million students tested.
Top 46 high schools – Top 2%
(Ranking | School | State | # National Merit Semifinalists)
1. * Thomas Jefferson HS Science and Technology VA — 149
2. Stuyvesant HS NY — 96
3. * Troy HS CA — 80
4. University HS CA – 60
5. * Hunter College HS NY — 58
Lynbrook HS CA — 58
6. * North Carolina School Science & Math HS NC — 54
Mission San Jose HS CA — 54
7. Monta Vista HS CA — 53
Montgomery Blair HS MD — 53
8. * Harker School CA — 50
9. * St. Agnes Academy TX — 48
* Torrey Pines HS CA — 48
10. Palo Alto HS CA — 46
11. * Illinois Math & Science Academy IL — 43
12. * Harvard Westlake HS CA — 42
Henry M. Gunn HS CA — 42
13. * Texas Academy of Math & Science TX — 37
Bellaire HS TX — 37
Conestoga HS PA — 37
14. Palos Verdes Peninsula HS CA — 36
* Jesuit HS LA — 36
15. Northview HS GA — 35
Plano HS TX — 35
Westwood HS TX — 35
16. Carmel HS IN — 34
17. * Station College Prep HS FL — 32
Plano West HS TX — 32
Westlake HS TX — 32
Pioneer HS MI — 32
18. Arcada HS CA — 31
New Trier Township HS IL — 31
* DuPont Manual Magnet HS KY — 31
William P. Clements HS TX — 31
* Albuquerque Academy NM — 31
* Horace Mann HS NY — 31
19. West HS WI — 30
* John Burroughs HS MO — 30
20. * Phillips Academy MA — 29
21. * Wilmington Charter School DE — 28
* Lakeside School WA — 28
Richard Montgomery HS MA — 28
Troy HS MI — 28
Eden Prairie HS MN — 28
22. Flower Mound HS TX — 27
Adlai Stevenson HS IL — 27

* Private/Charter/Magnet Schools


Blair and RM are not listed on here.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Found 2009 top high schools by National Merit Semifinalists

Based on the number of National Merit Semifinalists, these high schools have the brainiest campuses. This is a national and international list that includes 27 countries, nearly 22,000 schools and represents more than 1.5 million students tested.
Top 46 high schools – Top 2%
(Ranking | School | State | # National Merit Semifinalists)
1. * Thomas Jefferson HS Science and Technology VA — 149
2. Stuyvesant HS NY — 96
3. * Troy HS CA — 80
4. University HS CA – 60
5. * Hunter College HS NY — 58
Lynbrook HS CA — 58
6. * North Carolina School Science & Math HS NC — 54
Mission San Jose HS CA — 54
7. Monta Vista HS CA — 53
Montgomery Blair HS MD — 53
8. * Harker School CA — 50
9. * St. Agnes Academy TX — 48
* Torrey Pines HS CA — 48
10. Palo Alto HS CA — 46
11. * Illinois Math & Science Academy IL — 43
12. * Harvard Westlake HS CA — 42
Henry M. Gunn HS CA — 42
13. * Texas Academy of Math & Science TX — 37
Bellaire HS TX — 37
Conestoga HS PA — 37
14. Palos Verdes Peninsula HS CA — 36
* Jesuit HS LA — 36
15. Northview HS GA — 35
Plano HS TX — 35
Westwood HS TX — 35
16. Carmel HS IN — 34
17. * Station College Prep HS FL — 32
Plano West HS TX — 32
Westlake HS TX — 32
Pioneer HS MI — 32
18. Arcada HS CA — 31
New Trier Township HS IL — 31
* DuPont Manual Magnet HS KY — 31
William P. Clements HS TX — 31
* Albuquerque Academy NM — 31
* Horace Mann HS NY — 31
19. West HS WI — 30
* John Burroughs HS MO — 30
20. * Phillips Academy MA — 29
21. * Wilmington Charter School DE — 28
* Lakeside School WA — 28
Richard Montgomery HS MA — 28
Troy HS MI — 28
Eden Prairie HS MN — 28
22. Flower Mound HS TX — 27
Adlai Stevenson HS IL — 27

* Private/Charter/Magnet Schools


Blair and RM are not listed on here.


Blair is listed as tied for 7.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Found 2009 top high schools by National Merit Semifinalists

Based on the number of National Merit Semifinalists, these high schools have the brainiest campuses. This is a national and international list that includes 27 countries, nearly 22,000 schools and represents more than 1.5 million students tested.
Top 46 high schools – Top 2%
(Ranking | School | State | # National Merit Semifinalists)
1. * Thomas Jefferson HS Science and Technology VA — 149
2. Stuyvesant HS NY — 96
3. * Troy HS CA — 80
4. University HS CA – 60
5. * Hunter College HS NY — 58
Lynbrook HS CA — 58
6. * North Carolina School Science & Math HS NC — 54
Mission San Jose HS CA — 54
7. Monta Vista HS CA — 53
Montgomery Blair HS MD — 53
8. * Harker School CA — 50
9. * St. Agnes Academy TX — 48
* Torrey Pines HS CA — 48
10. Palo Alto HS CA — 46
11. * Illinois Math & Science Academy IL — 43
12. * Harvard Westlake HS CA — 42
Henry M. Gunn HS CA — 42
13. * Texas Academy of Math & Science TX — 37
Bellaire HS TX — 37
Conestoga HS PA — 37
14. Palos Verdes Peninsula HS CA — 36
* Jesuit HS LA — 36
15. Northview HS GA — 35
Plano HS TX — 35
Westwood HS TX — 35
16. Carmel HS IN — 34
17. * Station College Prep HS FL — 32
Plano West HS TX — 32
Westlake HS TX — 32
Pioneer HS MI — 32
18. Arcada HS CA — 31
New Trier Township HS IL — 31
* DuPont Manual Magnet HS KY — 31
William P. Clements HS TX — 31
* Albuquerque Academy NM — 31
* Horace Mann HS NY — 31
19. West HS WI — 30
* John Burroughs HS MO — 30
20. * Phillips Academy MA — 29
21. * Wilmington Charter School DE — 28
* Lakeside School WA — 28
Richard Montgomery HS MA — 28
Troy HS MI — 28
Eden Prairie HS MN — 28
22. Flower Mound HS TX — 27
Adlai Stevenson HS IL — 27

* Private/Charter/Magnet Schools


Blair and RM are not listed on here.

Looks like number 7 and number 21, the latter with a typo.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just announced its 2016 national merit semifinalists. There are 231 from the AP high schools (about two thirds of the number of high schools in the county), and only six from the IB high schools (about one third of the number of high schools in the county).

When is FCPS finally going to wake up and acknowledge that IB has not been a success in the county?


Probably a bit after you realize that 1) SAT scores have nothing to do with AP/IB but are a reflection first and foremost of a student's SES status, and that 2) FCPS placed IB programs specifically in low SES schools. Hence the NMSF deck was rigged by that choice. But if you want to feel that you have proven positively that IB schools are complete junk that should be shuttered go right ahead.


To the contrary, it appears that the honors and AP courses help the students to achieve high PSAT and SAT scores. Moreover, IB was placed in the low income schools many years ago. If it were going to attract more intelligent and motivated students, it surely would have done so by now. It has not, so all your observation reinforces is how ill-advised FCPS was to saddle those schools with IB.


Re: your bolded statement -- Wow, that neatly dismisses the "intelligent and motivated" kids at my child's high school who transferred there (from various AP schools) specifically to take IB. IB does attract students. But I suppose the anti-IB people will only accept that if hordes of students transfer into IB schools. The reality is that most families simply will keep their kids at the high schools to which the kids are assigned based on where the family lives, period, and relatively few will make the effort to do an academic transfer--either to IB or to AP. I don't care about merit semifinalist numbers or overall school SAT scores. I care about my kid's particular strengths and interests and the program that works best for her class by class, day by day. For other families I know, AP was exactly what worked best for their kids. Great. I didn't feel any need to research test scores in order to bash AP to them.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just announced its 2016 national merit semifinalists. There are 231 from the AP high schools (about two thirds of the number of high schools in the county), and only six from the IB high schools (about one third of the number of high schools in the county).

When is FCPS finally going to wake up and acknowledge that IB has not been a success in the county?


Probably a bit after you realize that 1) SAT scores have nothing to do with AP/IB but are a reflection first and foremost of a student's SES status, and that 2) FCPS placed IB programs specifically in low SES schools. Hence the NMSF deck was rigged by that choice. But if you want to feel that you have proven positively that IB schools are complete junk that should be shuttered go right ahead.


To the contrary, it appears that the honors and AP courses help the students to achieve high PSAT and SAT scores. Moreover, IB was placed in the low income schools many years ago. If it were going to attract more intelligent and motivated students, it surely would have done so by now. It has not, so all your observation reinforces is how ill-advised FCPS was to saddle those schools with IB.


Re: your bolded statement -- Wow, that neatly dismisses the "intelligent and motivated" kids at my child's high school who transferred there (from various AP schools) specifically to take IB. IB does attract students. But I suppose the anti-IB people will only accept that if hordes of students transfer into IB schools. The reality is that most families simply will keep their kids at the high schools to which the kids are assigned based on where the family lives, period, and relatively few will make the effort to do an academic transfer--either to IB or to AP. I don't care about merit semifinalist numbers or overall school SAT scores. I care about my kid's particular strengths and interests and the program that works best for her class by class, day by day. For other families I know, AP was exactly what worked best for their kids. Great. I didn't feel any need to research test scores in order to bash AP to them.

It seems like you are trying to obscure the facts, one of which is that, on balance, IB has failed to attract and retain significant numbers of high-achieving kids, the rationale that FCPS gave for introducing the program years ago. Yes, some students will pupil place to IB schools, and others will simply accept that it is the only advanced available program at their schools, but there is little evidence to suggest it has been a good investment for the county, and AP remains the program of choice for the overwhelming majority of the county's higher-achieving students. That is something that surely needs to be acknowledged, as the county has finite resources and AP is less expensive than IB.
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