Caitlyn Jenner

[Anonymous]

This will take some time getting used to.

A LOT of time.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't affect me.

But when we're not waving flags and using incorrect pronouns and so on, and are attached as "intolerant" and "judgemental," you'd better believe we're going to voice a differing opinion. So suck that up and get used to it.

So you can shout SHE and CAITLYN all you want, but you'll never keep me from stating the opposing viewpoint, sorry.

Sure, PP, you can keep shouting and justifying your ignorance and calling it an "opposing viewpoint", but that's a red herring. There is no "opposing viewpoint"; you have a no right to opine about how someone lives their life and does not cause you (or society) any problems at all. So, you have the right to be ignorant while tolerant and far more educated people can continue to call you out for your bigotry. That's how bigotry must be dealt with. By continuing to call you out and shut you down.

Congratulations to Caitlyn for bravely embracing who she was born to be. She looks terrific and deserves a happy and peaceful life free of ignorant bigots and their foolishness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gross. Sick. Wrong. Mentally ill. Take your struggles to a therapist and work this all out privately.

wow...this is NOTHING a therapist could fix because its not a mental health problem! wtf is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's see - a month or so ago, during The Interview, he said that he wasn't going to change his name now.

I guess the publicity is dying down.

He never said that, he said he wasn't releasing the name yet. Now he did.

Also it aired a month ago but filmed about another month before that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gross. Sick. Wrong. Mentally ill. Take your struggles to a therapist and work this all out privately.

wow...this is NOTHING a therapist could fix because its not a mental health problem! wtf is wrong with you?

It is though. It is categorized as a dysphoria. Other dysphorias (body, limb etc) are treated with medication and intensive therapy with a great deal of success. Because the transgender issue was grouped in with LGBT issues it became something that had to be tolerated and accepted, instead of treated.

I am not the PP and I would never say things like "Gross. Sick. Wrong." I also don't care how people dress or present themselves, if they want to call themselves Caitlyn when their name is Bruce or Prince Vlad and wear fangs when their name is Frank. I do feel though we are treating gender dysphoria incorrectly.

[Anonymous]

Can't believe people are complaining about the photoshop and plastic surgeries. Hello. Every woman in Hollywood is photoshopped and airbrushed! Even skinny 20 year olds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can't believe people are complaining about the photoshop and plastic surgeries. Hello. Every woman in Hollywood is photoshopped and airbrushed! Even skinny 20 year olds.

That's true but the whole theme to me on his/her coming out TV special was that "this is me, the real me". That message is lost when you heavily Photoshop the images etc. It makes it come across as more of a media grab.

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Anonymous wrote:Can't believe people are complaining about the photoshop and plastic surgeries. Hello. Every woman in Hollywood is photoshopped and airbrushed! Even skinny 20 year olds.

That's true but the whole theme to me on his/her coming out TV special was that "this is me, the real me". That message is lost when you heavily Photoshop the images etc. It makes it come across as more of a media grab.

I don't see it that way. Maybe if it were for People with an unknown photographer but with Vanity Fair and Anne she's saying "look at me, I can be just as glamorous as any 60+ woman." And with that comes heavy touching up. She lost a big part of her life by not transitioning early. I can understand her desire to want plastic surgery or any attempt to feel beautiful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gross. Sick. Wrong. Mentally ill. Take your struggles to a therapist and work this all out privately.

wow...this is NOTHING a therapist could fix because its not a mental health problem! wtf is wrong with you?

It is though. It is categorized as a dysphoria. Other dysphorias (body, limb etc) are treated with medication and intensive therapy with a great deal of success. Because the transgender issue was grouped in with LGBT issues it became something that had to be tolerated and accepted, instead of treated.

I am not the PP and I would never say things like "Gross. Sick. Wrong." I also don't care how people dress or present themselves, if they want to call themselves Caitlyn when their name is Bruce or Prince Vlad and wear fangs when their name is Frank. I do feel though we are treating gender dysphoria incorrectly.

Well, every transgender person I've read about (quite a lot) and known (three) went through years and years of intensive but unsuccessful therapy because therapy was never going to change the reality that for them, they were in the wrong body. What do you propose they do, when it seems to me that transitioning actually solves their mental anguish. Yes, I get it creates discomfort for others, but it solves their problem. Are you suggesting that they should be treated in a way that makes it easier for you?

[Anonymous]

Yes, as PP suggested, I am pretty sure you cannot undergo the needed surgeries without some very extensive therapy and work with a psychiatrist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, as PP suggested, I am pretty sure you cannot undergo the needed surgeries without some very extensive therapy and work with a psychiatrist.

And they also undergo a ton of therapy in the absolute hopes that the therapy will in fact "cure" them. I guarantee there isn't a transgender person alive who doesn't wish like hell that what PP suggested was true - if only there was medication and therapy that would work! But it just doesn't work that way. Honestly, if you actually watched the interview with Diane Sawyer you would have heard Bruce talk about all the therapy he engaged in and the hopes that something would work. Guess what worked? Today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not Kaitlyn, with a K?

Yes, why not a K?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gross. Sick. Wrong. Mentally ill. Take your struggles to a therapist and work this all out privately.

wow...this is NOTHING a therapist could fix because its not a mental health problem! wtf is wrong with you?

Then explain the whole republican thing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:10 hours of facial surgery. Can you imagine? Not to mention that her breasts look better than mine.

I do struggle, as a woman, to understand what it means to Caitlyn (and others who transition) to feel like a woman, esp. with all the talk of "girls' nights out" and just talking about clothes, fashion, makeup, etc. I think part of accepting people as they are should be attempting not to promote gender stereotypes that might not have anything to do with the experiences other people have in their bodies and lives.

This. I really don't care whether this person (or any person) calls themselves he or she, Bruce or Caitlin, what they wear, or how they style their hair or whatever. Knock yourself out.

But, as a woman, I am profoundly uncomfortable with the notion that what it means to be a woman in our society is to pose like a pin-up girl on the cover of a magazine, in a corset, airbrushed and photoshopped into something that doesn't exist in real life.

We've come a long way, baby? Not really.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No judgement here- but I have to say that the transformation confuses me. The outfit and look are totally sexually charged, but I can't figure out who the audience for Caitlyn is. Any insight would be appreciated.

What do you mean by audience? That is what she chose to wear and i love it. Its not sexual, as it isnt a bikini. Very vintage.

yeah, someone poses on the cover of a magazine because they are NOT interested in an audience.