Gay "marriage" supporters - what is your endgame?
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Anonymous
Oh so a death threat impugns all liberals. But two conservatives shoot and kill cops in Vegas, and they are "lone wolves". Typical conservative double standard. |
Anonymous
OP, still waiting on an answer... |
Anonymous
| FWIW, I have not seen news articles of Christians being bullied, beaten, or killed by gays. On the other hand ... |
Anonymous
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Keep it classy liberals - want to know the end game? Simply give them the money s'all:
http://www.queerty.com/an-open-letter-to-the-owners-of-memories-pizza-who-just-raised-over-555000-after-vowing-to-discriminate-against-gay-people-20150403 |
Anonymous
Gosh, that money could almost make up for six or seven jobs lost to Indiana as a result of this mess. For a year. |
Anonymous
| Real Christians would be raising that kind of money to feed pizza to the poor, rather than raising that kind of money to support bigoted pizza parlor owners. |
Anonymous
Thousands of attacks doesn't equal a lone wolf |
Anonymous
Show me a case where Christians are doing to gays what you claim. I think you've mistaken them for Iran |
Anonymous
Take away their livelihood and they are the poor |
Anonymous
"They received death threats" -according to sketchy right wing talk radio hosts with an anti gay agenda who make a living making shit up in order to polarize and divide.... |
Anonymous
Thousands of criticisms, and a few actual threats. |
Anonymous
| Wonder no more. Muslim bakery vs gay wedding cake: http://twitchy.com/2015/04/03/hidden-camera-steven-crowder-tries-to-buy-a-gay-wedding-cake-at-muslim-bakeries-video/ |
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Can you explain your point? I tried to watch the video but that guy is such an idiot that I couldn't make it all the way through. He acknowledged that many Muslims bakeries agreed to provide the cake (but didn't show them on the video at least as far as I watched). At least two of the bakers he showed agreed to put the writing and I was confused about the issue with the photo (the bakers may have been as well). Did he want the photo replicated in icing or just have the photo on the cake? At any rate, are you attempting to bash Muslim as anti-gay or support Christians by showing the Christian bakers are not unique? That's the part I don't get. My primary impression is that you are saying, "Look how bad the Muslims suck. Christians who do the exact same thing don't suck." Just to be clear on my own position, Muslim bakers who provide wedding cakes are wrong not to provide wedding cakes for gay marriages. |
Anonymous
My point is two-fold: 1) that the law needs to be upheld equally; that one cannot pick what they consider to be a protected class and just uphold those individual's rights. and 2) that there is no double-standard here with conservatives, who think the Muslim bakers should be able to turn down the wedding cake since it was a special order. You should not force people to put hands to batter (in this case) to fill a special order that is against their beliefs, especially religious beliefs. He acknowledged that the Muslim bakers that would provide the cake were less religious, i.e. secular, and that there were less religious Christian bakers that were willing to do the same. He was making a parallel. The part about you feeling I am saying 'Look how Muslim's suck" is your own personal bias. It does, however, mean I will read your responses through that veil in the future. |
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from http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_OldTestamentLaw.htm This website sums it up rather well: http://thecripplegate.com/shellfish-mixed-fabrics-and-homosexuality-picking-and-choosing/ #1 The Sabbath Jesus and His disciples did not observe the strict scribal rules against doing any work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-14, Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18). Neither did they perform the ritual hand washings before eating (Matthew 15:1-2). In contrast to the dietary rules of the Law, Jesus said no food can defile a person; it is bad attitudes and actions that can make a person unholy (Matthew 15:1-20, Mark 7:1-23). Jesus frequently criticized the scribal laws (Matthew 23:23, Mark 7:11-13) and some aspects of the civil law (John 8:3-5, 10-11). Matthew 12: 5 Hhaven’t you (Pharisees) read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘God desires to give mercy, not receive sacrifice,’ you (Pharisees) would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” 11 He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” Jesus did not abolish the moral and ethical laws that had been in effect from the time of Moses. Matthew 5: 27 `Ye heard that it was said to the ancients: Thou shalt not commit adultery; 28 but I -- I say to you, that every one who is looking on a woman to desire her did already commit adultery with her in his heart. Christians still look to the Old Testament scripture for moral and spiritual guidance 2 Timothy 3:16-17). All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. But when there seems to be a conflict between Old Testament laws and New Testament principles, we must follow the New Testament because it represents the most recent and most perfect revelation from God Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. However, freedom from the Old Testament Law is not a license for Christians to relax their moral standards. The moral and ethical teachings of Jesus and His apostles call for even greater self-discipline than those of the Old Testament Mark 7:21-23 Jesus: "What comes out of a person is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and foolishness. All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” #2 Wearing garments of wool and linen Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes...neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee Notice there is no death penalty for not keeping this statute. No one is commanded to burn the person with fire for not keeping this statute. God says you are to keep that statute but there is no death penalty for not doing so. Deuteronomy 11:26 See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse: the blessing, if you listen to the commandments of the Lord your God, which I am commanding you today; and the curse, if you do not listen to the commandments of the Lord your God On the other hand, God clearly says a homosexual is to be put to death: Leviticus 20:13 `And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood is on them. #3Slavery Slavery in biblical times is completely different than the African slave trade. The bible condemns kidnapping people and forcing them into slavery. "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16) from [url]http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/slavery_bible.html[url] http://www.gotquestions.org/bible-slavery.html The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters. The slavery in bible times can better be described as indentured servitude rather than like the kidnapping of Africans and selling them into slavery. #4 Slavery Exodus 21:7 “If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do. If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money. Sometimes out of economic necessity a man would sell his daughter into slavery. Of course no father would want to do that but in biblical times there was no social security, no welfare, no unemployment agency to tide one over until better times came. You either sold your daughter into slavery so as to replace a dead milk cow which was the only source of income, or everyone starves to death. Those were very different and difficult times. Notice the statute is how to treat the slave justly. It does not say "And you can beat her near to death if it pleases you oh happy slave owner." #5 Relevance to modern times Of course the statutes on slavery do not apply to these modern times because wonderful capitalism and our advanced economies of scale render unnecessary selling one's daughter into slavery. The old testament of the bible was written for the Jews. The laws were written so that the Jews would be separate and distinguishable from the pagan gentiles of the time. God set the Jews apart so that Jesus would come and save everyone. The laws on how to trim one's beard or the type of fabric to wear no longer apply but the moral laws still do: murder, adultery, homosexuality, drunkeness, lying, and cheating are still wrong, but there is no death penalty for it anymore. When the Jews were going to stone the woman to death who was caught in the act of adultery what did Jesus say? "I do not condemn you to death: go and sin no more." That is what Jesus is telling us: do not sin. Avoid it. But if we do sin (and we will) Jesus is there to forgive if we are willing to repent and make a supreme effort to stop sinning. Keeping old testament laws does not get a person to heaven, only faith in Jesus Christ for what he did on the cross. |