So what's the RIGHT answer?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes--pretty intellectually immature to think pointing out Mithra was born of a virgin and that resurrection is a mythological theme disproves Christianity. Every educated Christian theologian who studies Jesus and his times is very acquainted with these; it is not faith shaking news, much as PP seems to think it is.

One interpretation is that the devil planted these myths to try to shake people's faith. The devil knew that one day, these myths would come to light via scholarly study and that some people would interpret it as Jesus just being another iteration of the virgin birth/resurrected god story. These people would question and some would stop believing.

But true Christians with enough faith would be able to see through all of this as the devil's work. They wouldn't be fooled! Their faith would become stronger than before.

Sounds like your interpretation, one aimed at mocking Christianity. At the time of Christ these things were well known and didn't come to light later. Mitraism was a known religion, Osiris was a well known Egyptian god, and the Demeter/Perspohone and Ishtar/Tamuz stories were known as well.

They were known at the time, which is probably why the new religion, Christianity, was so easily patterned after them. Knowledge of these other myth-based religions faded as Christianity became the one true religion and information about other religions was not taught and was not available outside very learned circles. Even the Bible was not translated into the vernacular (German) until Luther and the printing press came along in the 1500's, so it's easy to see how knowledge of ancient myth-based religions faded over time.

Or, God took human form because, instead of writing on tablets or sending down thunderbolts, he wanted to talk to us directly.

2,000 years ago and not since, and borrowing on the stories of other mythical gods to do it. He sure works in mysterious ways.

Whatevs

Hey, Whatevs

The Mysteries concerning this original dying and resurrecting Solar godman though was known by many different names.

In the Greco-Syriac myth, the cult was held by women who worshiped the beautiful fertility god Adonis. Yearly carnivals called "Adonia" took place at Byblos and abroad to commemorate his demise and resurrection.

In Egypt, it was the goddess Isis and the resurrected Osiris.
In Anatolia, he was the youthful godman Attis, the Sun/Son of the goddess Cybele, who died, and three days later returned to life through the agency of his mother.
In Babylonia, he was Tammuz worshiped by the goddess Ishtar.
In the Old Testament, his disappearance is even mourned by the women of Jerusalem (Ezek. 8.14).
In Greece, its the Thracian god Dionysus in honor of the goddess Demeter and Persephone. His fanatical priestesses were called Maenads. In Rome, they were called the Bacchantes.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_33.htm

OMG! You've totally upset us! You've upset all of us! Nobody who reads this will ever have faith again!

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+1 a truly mature faith will not be shaken by facts, no matter how convincing. People who lack faith don't get this.

If the site you referenced is your idea of facts, you really need to sharpen up your research and critical thinking skills.

[Anonymous]

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+1 a truly mature faith will not be shaken by facts, no matter how convincing. People who lack faith don't get this.

If the site you referenced is your idea of facts, you really need to sharpen up your research and critical thinking skills.

+1. Atheist PP lives in a fact-free zone, which is ironic given that she's criticizing people of faith. It is consistent with her MO, though: she has no interest in facts because she's driven by an internal need to "upset" people.

[Anonymous]

A mature faith will ignore anything that interferes with its firmly established view of the world, a gift from the savior who promises eternal life for those who believe.

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+1 a truly mature faith will not be shaken by facts, no matter how convincing. People who lack faith don't get this.

If the site you referenced is your idea of facts, you really need to sharpen up your research and critical thinking skills.

+1. Atheist PP lives in a fact-free zone, which is ironic given that she's criticizing people of faith. It is consistent with her MO, though: she has no interest in facts because she's driven by an internal need to "upset" people.

Profile of a troll: lonely person who satisfies his need for human interaction by trying to "upset" them on anonymous internet fora. Facts not required.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A mature faith will ignore anything that interferes with its firmly established view of the world, a gift from the savior who promises eternal life for those who believe.

+1 this is something that people who were never faithful, or who were once faithful, but in an untested, immature way, can't really understand. These people insist on applying the logic of their everyday lives on to their religious faith and it just doesn't work. So sad that they don't get this. But if they repent, just before they die, they will still be saved and receive the gift of everlasting life from their benevolent savior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A mature faith will ignore anything that interferes with its firmly established view of the world, a gift from the savior who promises eternal life for those who believe.

+1 this is something that people who were never faithful, or who were once faithful, but in an untested, immature way, can't really understand. These people insist on applying the logic of their everyday lives on to their religious faith and it just doesn't work. So sad that they don't get this. But if they repent, just before they die, they will still be saved and receive the gift of everlasting life from their benevolent savior.

I think you're trolling but I'll bite. You're sad that people DO apply logic and reason? How is religion different from any other claim about the natural world?

[Anonymous]

religion, at least many religions, including Christianity, makes claims about the supernatural world -- the world beyond nature in which things like resurrection and everlasting life are possible, to those who have faith.

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Anonymous wrote:You know the right answer after you die. Be patient.

This is only true if some form of afterlife exists. If death is just a biological thing, you will never know.

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Anonymous wrote:You know the right answer after you die. Be patient.

This is only true if some form of afterlife exists. If death is just a biological thing, you will never know.

It says so right in the Bible.

[Anonymous]

Can I just say: what a pretentious thread header!

This thread is supposed to reveal the "RIGHT" answer? Here on little old DCUM, tonight?

No wonder morons like 19:54 think writing any darn old thing is witty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can I just say: what a pretentious thread header!

This thread is supposed to reveal the "RIGHT" answer? Here on little old DCUM, tonight?

No wonder morons like 19:54 think writing any darn old thing is witty.

It says right in the Bible: -- I am the way the truth and the light. This is the right answer for Christians.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes--pretty intellectually immature to think pointing out Mithra was born of a virgin and that resurrection is a mythological theme disproves Christianity. Every educated Christian theologian who studies Jesus and his times is very acquainted with these; it is not faith shaking news, much as PP seems to think it is.

One interpretation is that the devil planted these myths to try to shake people's faith. The devil knew that one day, these myths would come to light via scholarly study and that some people would interpret it as Jesus just being another iteration of the virgin birth/resurrected god story. These people would question and some would stop believing.

But true Christians with enough faith would be able to see through all of this as the devil's work. They wouldn't be fooled! Their faith would become stronger than before.

Sounds like your interpretation, one aimed at mocking Christianity. At the time of Christ these things were well known and didn't come to light later. Mitraism was a known religion, Osiris was a well known Egyptian god, and the Demeter/Perspohone and Ishtar/Tamuz stories were known as well.

They were known at the time, which is probably why the new religion, Christianity, was so easily patterned after them. Knowledge of these other myth-based religions faded as Christianity became the one true religion and information about other religions was not taught and was not available outside very learned circles. Even the Bible was not translated into the vernacular (German) until Luther and the printing press came along in the 1500's, so it's easy to see how knowledge of ancient myth-based religions faded over time.

Or, God took human form because, instead of writing on tablets or sending down thunderbolts, he wanted to talk to us directly.

2,000 years ago and not since, and borrowing on the stories of other mythical gods to do it. He sure works in mysterious ways.

Whatevs

Hey, Whatevs

The Mysteries concerning this original dying and resurrecting Solar godman though was known by many different names.

In the Greco-Syriac myth, the cult was held by women who worshiped the beautiful fertility god Adonis. Yearly carnivals called "Adonia" took place at Byblos and abroad to commemorate his demise and resurrection.

In Egypt, it was the goddess Isis and the resurrected Osiris.
In Anatolia, he was the youthful godman Attis, the Sun/Son of the goddess Cybele, who died, and three days later returned to life through the agency of his mother.
In Babylonia, he was Tammuz worshiped by the goddess Ishtar.
In the Old Testament, his disappearance is even mourned by the women of Jerusalem (Ezek. 8.14).
In Greece, its the Thracian god Dionysus in honor of the goddess Demeter and Persephone. His fanatical priestesses were called Maenads. In Rome, they were called the Bacchantes.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_33.htm

OMG! You've totally upset us! You've upset all of us! Nobody who reads this will ever have faith again!

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+1 a truly mature faith will not be shaken by facts, no matter how convincing. People who lack faith don't get this.

If the site you referenced is your idea of facts, you really need to sharpen up your research and critical thinking skills.

It's fiction. They're stories.

just like Jesus Christ and his death and resurrection

and your point is, oh brilliant one?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just say: what a pretentious thread header!

This thread is supposed to reveal the "RIGHT" answer? Here on little old DCUM, tonight?

No wonder morons like 19:54 think writing any darn old thing is witty.

It says right in the Bible: -- I am the way the truth and the light. This is the right answer for Christians.

lol

the right way or the left?

whose truth?

And Lucifer means bringing light.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes--pretty intellectually immature to think pointing out Mithra was born of a virgin and that resurrection is a mythological theme disproves Christianity. Every educated Christian theologian who studies Jesus and his times is very acquainted with these; it is not faith shaking news, much as PP seems to think it is.

One interpretation is that the devil planted these myths to try to shake people's faith. The devil knew that one day, these myths would come to light via scholarly study and that some people would interpret it as Jesus just being another iteration of the virgin birth/resurrected god story. These people would question and some would stop believing.

But true Christians with enough faith would be able to see through all of this as the devil's work. They wouldn't be fooled! Their faith would become stronger than before.

Sounds like your interpretation, one aimed at mocking Christianity. At the time of Christ these things were well known and didn't come to light later. Mitraism was a known religion, Osiris was a well known Egyptian god, and the Demeter/Perspohone and Ishtar/Tamuz stories were known as well.

They were known at the time, which is probably why the new religion, Christianity, was so easily patterned after them. Knowledge of these other myth-based religions faded as Christianity became the one true religion and information about other religions was not taught and was not available outside very learned circles. Even the Bible was not translated into the vernacular (German) until Luther and the printing press came along in the 1500's, so it's easy to see how knowledge of ancient myth-based religions faded over time.

Or, God took human form because, instead of writing on tablets or sending down thunderbolts, he wanted to talk to us directly.

2,000 years ago and not since, and borrowing on the stories of other mythical gods to do it. He sure works in mysterious ways.

Whatevs

Hey, Whatevs

The Mysteries concerning this original dying and resurrecting Solar godman though was known by many different names.

In the Greco-Syriac myth, the cult was held by women who worshiped the beautiful fertility god Adonis. Yearly carnivals called "Adonia" took place at Byblos and abroad to commemorate his demise and resurrection.

In Egypt, it was the goddess Isis and the resurrected Osiris.
In Anatolia, he was the youthful godman Attis, the Sun/Son of the goddess Cybele, who died, and three days later returned to life through the agency of his mother.
In Babylonia, he was Tammuz worshiped by the goddess Ishtar.
In the Old Testament, his disappearance is even mourned by the women of Jerusalem (Ezek. 8.14).
In Greece, its the Thracian god Dionysus in honor of the goddess Demeter and Persephone. His fanatical priestesses were called Maenads. In Rome, they were called the Bacchantes.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_33.htm

OMG! You've totally upset us! You've upset all of us! Nobody who reads this will ever have faith again!

Not.

OMG! It's the valley girl with a crucifix!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes--pretty intellectually immature to think pointing out Mithra was born of a virgin and that resurrection is a mythological theme disproves Christianity. Every educated Christian theologian who studies Jesus and his times is very acquainted with these; it is not faith shaking news, much as PP seems to think it is.

One interpretation is that the devil planted these myths to try to shake people's faith. The devil knew that one day, these myths would come to light via scholarly study and that some people would interpret it as Jesus just being another iteration of the virgin birth/resurrected god story. These people would question and some would stop believing.

But true Christians with enough faith would be able to see through all of this as the devil's work. They wouldn't be fooled! Their faith would become stronger than before.

Sounds like your interpretation, one aimed at mocking Christianity. At the time of Christ these things were well known and didn't come to light later. Mitraism was a known religion, Osiris was a well known Egyptian god, and the Demeter/Perspohone and Ishtar/Tamuz stories were known as well.

They were known at the time, which is probably why the new religion, Christianity, was so easily patterned after them. Knowledge of these other myth-based religions faded as Christianity became the one true religion and information about other religions was not taught and was not available outside very learned circles. Even the Bible was not translated into the vernacular (German) until Luther and the printing press came along in the 1500's, so it's easy to see how knowledge of ancient myth-based religions faded over time.

Or, God took human form because, instead of writing on tablets or sending down thunderbolts, he wanted to talk to us directly.

2,000 years ago and not since, and borrowing on the stories of other mythical gods to do it. He sure works in mysterious ways.

Whatevs

Hey, Whatevs

The Mysteries concerning this original dying and resurrecting Solar godman though was known by many different names.

In the Greco-Syriac myth, the cult was held by women who worshiped the beautiful fertility god Adonis. Yearly carnivals called "Adonia" took place at Byblos and abroad to commemorate his demise and resurrection.

In Egypt, it was the goddess Isis and the resurrected Osiris.
In Anatolia, he was the youthful godman Attis, the Sun/Son of the goddess Cybele, who died, and three days later returned to life through the agency of his mother.
In Babylonia, he was Tammuz worshiped by the goddess Ishtar.
In the Old Testament, his disappearance is even mourned by the women of Jerusalem (Ezek. 8.14).
In Greece, its the Thracian god Dionysus in honor of the goddess Demeter and Persephone. His fanatical priestesses were called Maenads. In Rome, they were called the Bacchantes.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_33.htm

OMG! You've totally upset us! You've upset all of us! Nobody who reads this will ever have faith again!

Not.

What the Atheist poster doesn't get, is that nothing will shake the faith of a true believer.

Now it's true that some atheists were once believers themselves, but they were obviously not as firm in their beliefs as pp or they'd still be believers. Facts, logic, evidence may be useful in other aspects of believers' lives, but not when it comes to religious faith. True believers don't even check information to see if it's believable, because their faith has insulated them upfront from any anything antithetical to their beliefs having any lasting effect. They may doubt for a while -- a little doubt is natural -- but it doesn't last for the person with true faith.