Official Ebola update thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems that she had the symptoms after the flight, not before. So, if she is telling the truth, then she didn't have a fever and then hop on a plane to get back home. But, still, she shouldn't have been on planes in the first place, right? I thought the ones who were around Duncan were supposed to be careful.

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-diagnosed-in-second-dallas-nurse-105542930.html

Why the reports her temp as 99.5 before boarding then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems that she had the symptoms after the flight, not before. So, if she is telling the truth, then she didn't have a fever and then hop on a plane to get back home. But, still, she shouldn't have been on planes in the first place, right? I thought the ones who were around Duncan were supposed to be careful.

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-diagnosed-in-second-dallas-nurse-105542930.html

Why the reports her temp as 99.5 before boarding then?

Because they are true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems that she had the symptoms after the flight, not before. So, if she is telling the truth, then she didn't have a fever and then hop on a plane to get back home. But, still, she shouldn't have been on planes in the first place, right? I thought the ones who were around Duncan were supposed to be careful.

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-diagnosed-in-second-dallas-nurse-105542930.html

I thought this was damn near impossible to get...at least according to the CDC.

[Anonymous]

From the CDC:

The latest Dallas nurse to contract Ebola boarded a plane in Cleveland two days ago with a slight fever and should not have flown, federal health officials said Wednesday.

Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters that the nurse had a temperature of 99.5 degrees before she got on the plane on Monday.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/dallas-ebola-nurse-amber-vinson-should-not-have-traveled-cdc-n226551

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Humans and fruit bats have always coexisted in Africa. I am not sure i buy the defoerstation argument.

I have eaten fruit bat, and it is quite good, if a little boney. There is no evidence that eating fruit bat caused the outbreak. It was probably a fruit bat pooping on a mango, or some such, and then being picked up and eaten by the 2 year old patient 0.

I find it fascinating how keen people are to blame the victims. It makes me think we are pretty rotten as a race. Maybe we deserve to be wiped out by ebola. Maybe the insects would make a better fist of it.

I thought the theory was that killing and preparing the fruit bat, which means contact with its blood, was the issue, not eating it.

There are lots of viruses that are transmitted through feces (hendra, for one), and they really don't know how Ebola is transmitted. So other PP's suggestion of a little kid eating an unwashed, infected piece of fruit is just as likely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems that she had the symptoms after the flight, not before. So, if she is telling the truth, then she didn't have a fever and then hop on a plane to get back home. But, still, she shouldn't have been on planes in the first place, right? I thought the ones who were around Duncan were supposed to be careful.

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-diagnosed-in-second-dallas-nurse-105542930.html

Why the reports her temp as 99.5 before boarding then?

Because they are true

I posted the above link. So, I'm confused. Are they reporting different things on different news sites? Because the above link would mean no fever before boarding the plane. When is Obama going to make a statement? It doesn't cut it for me, seeing the CDC folks.

[Anonymous]

The hospital is going to get sued so hard. So many failures, so inept.

[Anonymous]

1535 here. Nevermind, someone already answered my question above, I missed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Humans and fruit bats have always coexisted in Africa. I am not sure i buy the defoerstation argument.

I have eaten fruit bat, and it is quite good, if a little boney. There is no evidence that eating fruit bat caused the outbreak. It was probably a fruit bat pooping on a mango, or some such, and then being picked up and eaten by the 2 year old patient 0.

I find it fascinating how keen people are to blame the victims. It makes me think we are pretty rotten as a race. Maybe we deserve to be wiped out by ebola. Maybe the insects would make a better fist of it.

I thought the theory was that killing and preparing the fruit bat, which means contact with its blood, was the issue, not eating it.

There are lots of viruses that are transmitted through feces (hendra, for one), and they really don't know how Ebola is transmitted. So other PP's suggestion of a little kid eating an unwashed, infected piece of fruit is just as likely.

Oh
Good
LORD

You go with that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

MarleySkye840 wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I felt bad after the first nurse got it but this second one must be a complete fucking idiot. She exposed her entire family? Wtf? Is she clueless? What sort of nursing school did she go to?

Don't know. But there are plenty of bad ones.

I think this has less to do with her as a nurse and more to do with her as a person. Any person, med professional or not, is generally not going to expose their families if they know they may have something contagious.

How could she not know? She is a nurse-- supposedly educated in infectious diseases. She was told to monitor herself for possible exposure as was the other nurse. So she hops on a plane to go plan her wedding? I would hope that any medical professional would be smarter than that.

She should have known, yes. However the CDC should have classified all health care workers involved in Duncan's care as high-risk. Monitoring your own temp after you've been working with a highly infectious patient, all while wearing inadequate gear!? It would be laughable if it weren't such a tragic failure. She never should have been able to get on that plane. Everyone caring for Duncan (and cleaning staff, etc) should have been placed under mandatory quarantine. The CDC announced now that nurse 2 shouldn't have flown. They're punting the ball downfield. They should have known plenty about human nature (the exposed DO put others at risk), and that outside of 4 centers, hospitals are ill-equipped and ill-trained for Level 4 diseases. I am disgusted by the CDC's bungling and by Obama's lack of leadership. And before I'm accused of making this a Republican-Democrat blame game--I'm a registered Dem who was active in raising money for Obama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems that she had the symptoms after the flight, not before. So, if she is telling the truth, then she didn't have a fever and then hop on a plane to get back home. But, still, she shouldn't have been on planes in the first place, right? I thought the ones who were around Duncan were supposed to be careful.

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-diagnosed-in-second-dallas-nurse-105542930.html

I thought this was damn near impossible to get...at least according to the CDC.

Because they are nurses dealing with bodily fluids from an actively dying person with Ebola. The closer to desth the higher the viral load. If it was that easy to get his family would be infected by now. Which they aren't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ I think “confidence” is the key word. Whether rational or not, the public right now does NOT have confidence in our govt nor in the CDC to adequately address this problem. Perhaps things will get better, but until confidence is restored, we will have a very angry and fearful citizenry.

And regardless of how I feel about Obama...where the hell is he? Why has he not made a statement to help ease the public about this becoming an epiedmic in the US? I truly do not understand what the hell is going on? It is clear that leadership either 1) completely underestimated how serious this could get or 2) were just lazy. There have been no proper steps taken since this thing started with Duncan and it seems like shit is going to have to hit the fan in order to get something done.

Mostly, it sounds like they overestimated the competence of the Texas department of health, hospital and its staff. There will be an announcement later today that patients will henceforth be treated only at the 4 ebola supercenters.

I would word that a little differently. I would say the CDC overestimated the training they supposedly provided for this virus and the protocols they put in place. Both have been woefully inadequate.

Even in the absence of any protocols, many of the actions of this hospital were incompetent including the number of people treating the patient and storage of medical waste.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

MarleySkye840 wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I felt bad after the first nurse got it but this second one must be a complete fucking idiot. She exposed her entire family? Wtf? Is she clueless? What sort of nursing school did she go to?

Don't know. But there are plenty of bad ones.

I think this has less to do with her as a nurse and more to do with her as a person. Any person, med professional or not, is generally not going to expose their families if they know they may have something contagious.

How could she not know? She is a nurse-- supposedly educated in infectious diseases. She was told to monitor herself for possible exposure as was the other nurse. So she hops on a plane to go plan her wedding? I would hope that any medical professional would be smarter than that.

She should have known, yes. However the CDC should have classified all health care workers involved in Duncan's care as high-risk. Monitoring your own temp after you've been working with a highly infectious patient, all while wearing inadequate gear!? It would be laughable if it weren't such a tragic failure. She never should have been able to get on that plane. Everyone caring for Duncan (and cleaning staff, etc) should have been placed under mandatory quarantine. The CDC announced now that nurse 2 shouldn't have flown. They're punting the ball downfield. They should have known plenty about human nature (the exposed DO put others at risk), and that outside of 4 centers, hospitals are ill-equipped and ill-trained for Level 4 diseases. I am disgusted by the CDC's bungling and by Obama's lack of leadership. And before I'm accused of making this a Republican-Democrat blame game--I'm a registered Dem who was active in raising money for Obama.

I hold nurse 2 completely responsible. She is a trained medical professional. She knows better. The CDC doesn't have to tell her she knows but it was inconvenient for HER to limit contact.

[Anonymous]

This is all common sense! I do not need to be the leader of the CDC of US or the Texas hospital to know that 1) you do not need a team of 76 people dealing with a highly contagious Ebola victim. 2) anyone who dealt with him should have been quarantined for atleast a full week and not gone home or left the hospital to ensure they were not infected. 3) that nurse should have known better!

Can someone explain why this is so difficult?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I felt bad after the first nurse got it but this second one must be a complete fucking idiot. She exposed her entire family? Wtf? Is she clueless? What sort of nursing school did she go to?

Agree. The first nurse only had contact with her boyfriend and dog. The second nurse already had a fever when she got on a plane! WTF!

Nurses are frequently near patients with infectious diseases (though none like ebola). Are they supposed to sit in their house the rest of lives? They stepped up to help another person and were ensured that the safety protocols would protect them. Let's keep the blame where it belongs--the CDC.