Bad News for Test Prep Parents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Peyton to pupils: prepping is fundamental to success.

I've been holding back on saying this since this Peyton stuff started -- but his dad, Archie Manning (a great quarterback in his day), has been quoted numerous times saying he did not prep Peyton and his brother Eli to be quarterbacks or even play football. He and his wife were just trying to raise kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The only reason some of the kids appear to "keep up" is that they are going home to Mommy or Daddy or a paid tutor going over all their work with them and helping them to understand. There were kids in my child's AAP who had no other activities after school. They'd go to their tutor or a storefront math place...sometimes a math or science oriented club. No playing in other kids backyards, no running or riding bikes up and down the sidewalks. No sports as they got older.

They could not keep up just by going to school and doing the assigned homework. They needed a lot of extra help to understand their schoolwork. One of the mothers asked me, when our children were in third grade, how much time I was spending at night going over my child's homework. I looked at her in a puzzled way and said my child did homework quickly after school and then went out to play all afternoon with the other kids in the neighborhood. Apparently, the other child was not completing schoolwork and needed to finish work from the day in addition to homework every night. This child stayed in AAP but I suspect continued to need help. My child is at TJ now and the other child is not, so I don't know what is happening now for this child.

So, it is not necessarily true that just because a child stays in AAP, they must be doing fine. There are definitely kids in AAP who can only stay there because of hours of extra help and re-teaching every night, with little time for other aspects of their growth and development.

Wow, your kid's at TJ, he must be a genius Once your child gets past high school, no one in the real world will care, beck, colleges barely care. How many TJ kids actually go to ivies? Answer, not that many.

Read the post. It is not about my child being at TJ.

[Anonymous]

Actually, at least one has a misunderstanding about this, or simply pretends to misunderstand. No one suggests that anything is wrong with hard work and preparation.
People are suggesting that it is inappropriate for people to "prep" kids by using materials that attempt to recreate the AAP identification tests. Prepping kids in this way makes the scores unreliable to the point that some schools are simply not using them anymore. These particular tests are not meant to be prepped for and prepping results in scores that are not useful to the schools.

These threads are only about prepping for the AAP identification tests. They are not about prepping for any other type of testing, nor are they about effective ways to teach math.

More nuaunced malarky. Now we have to have the identification committees throughout the land adjudicate the legality or ethics of preparation on the basis of an identification test. Will this be at the federal level or shall will let each state do their own thing?

What rubbish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Peyton to pupils: prepping is fundamental to success.

Peyton to pupils: I do not cheat. I work hard, but I play fair.

[Anonymous]

I've been holding back on saying this since this Peyton stuff started -- but his dad, Archie Manning (a great quarterback in his day), has been quoted numerous times saying he did not prep Peyton and his brother Eli to be quarterbacks or even play football. He and his wife were just trying to raise kids.

Rubbish. Don't hold back. Peyton has been a bigtime "prepper". Because Archie did not prep him does not mean Peyton did not prep. Please ask all the hired coaches.

[Anonymous]

I want to be like Peyton and be a big time (one of the biggest) devoted student of the game -- big time prepper all the way. Yeah!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I've been holding back on saying this since this Peyton stuff started -- but his dad, Archie Manning (a great quarterback in his day), has been quoted numerous times saying he did not prep Peyton and his brother Eli to be quarterbacks or even play football. He and his wife were just trying to raise kids.

Rubbish. Don't hold back. Peyton has been a bigtime "prepper". Because Archie did not prep him does not mean Peyton did not prep. Please ask all the hired coaches.

what hired coaches? Link please.

I think his success is principally attributable to genes, his personal motivation to succeed and having a great quarterback dad as a role model. Oc ourse once you start playing any organized sport you do have to practice - can't argue with that.

[Anonymous]

Peyton to pupils: I do not cheat. I work hard, but I play fair. But, remember to prep before the game, during the game and after the game. Preparation and prepping is key!
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[Anonymous]

I think his success is principally attributable to genes, his personal motivation to succeed and having a great quarterback dad as a role model. Oc ourse once you start playing any organized sport you do have to practice - can't argue with that.

Nonsense. Peyton is the hardest worker and "prepper" in the game. He is the epitome of preparation. Psychologist call this phenomenon -- overachievement.

Our children should learn from his habits.

[Anonymous]

the way some of these parents play it [won't mention any particular groups ] AAP is like a contact sport so you may be onto something there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I think his success is principally attributable to genes, his personal motivation to succeed and having a great quarterback dad as a role model. Oc ourse once you start playing any organized sport you do have to practice - can't argue with that.

Nonsense. Peyton is the hardest worker and "prepper" in the game. He is the epitome of preparation. Psychologist call this phenomenon -- overachievement.

Our children should learn from his habits.

yes they should. And Peyton does not cheat, unlike the people that buy copies of the test to have their kids memorize the answers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Actually, at least one has a misunderstanding about this, or simply pretends to misunderstand. No one suggests that anything is wrong with hard work and preparation.
People are suggesting that it is inappropriate for people to "prep" kids by using materials that attempt to recreate the AAP identification tests. Prepping kids in this way makes the scores unreliable to the point that some schools are simply not using them anymore. These particular tests are not meant to be prepped for and prepping results in scores that are not useful to the schools.

These threads are only about prepping for the AAP identification tests. They are not about prepping for any other type of testing, nor are they about effective ways to teach math.

More nuaunced malarky. Now we have to have the identification committees throughout the land adjudicate the legality or ethics of preparation on the basis of an identification test. Will this be at the federal level or shall will let each state do their own thing?

What rubbish.

No rubbish, and no malarky. If you read the the OP for most of these threads, they involve the AAP identification testing. Not even terribly nuanced, just fact.

[Anonymous]

No rubbish, and no malarky. If you read the the OP for most of these threads, they involve the AAP identification testing. Not even terribly nuanced, just fact.

And what does the AAP crap have to do with preparation even if my work with my children is deeper than requirements for AAP, SCAT or SSAT. Do you have a problem with parents instilling the value of preparation (academic or otherwise) in their children? What does the AAP have to do with this? Yeah, my work with my children should make the AAP, SAT, SSAT adn any other primary school test -- a walk in the park.

Kids work hard and prepare. If you do any alphabet soup test is simple walk in the park. Don't listen to this foolishness. If it's good for Peyton it's good here.

[Anonymous]

yes they should. And Peyton does not cheat, unlike the people that buy copies of the test to have their kids memorize the answers.

In desperation, hard work and preparation is now translated to mean buying copies of the test and memorizing the answers. I now see what you mean by preparation in your household. Sorry, we do not subscribe to your warped definition of preparation and neither does Peyton. Our preparation is much deeper and thorough (like Peyton). It does not require buying tests, cheating, stealing and simply memorizing answers. Try it and you will have no reason to lie, steal and cheat. Do it the Peyton way.

[Anonymous]

But hard work can be a sacrifice for some (e.g., Bush-lite). Are you up to it?