PP here again. And labeling people who oppose routine infant circumcision as "weirdos and unstable" (as has been done many times on this thread) just reveals that you are really at a loss for arguments. You can't win a rational argument about this, so you try to discredit your opponent. Pathetic, and so transparent. |
Please post your full name here so that all the sane people can do our best to avoid you. |
Actually, some people argue that female circumcision is done for religious reasons. They are the same thing: mutilating a child in the name of religion. And male circumcision IS mutilation. You are cutting away and altering the boy's genitalia. If you believe that that is necessary to continue a covenant with god, then own it, call it what it is. but don't claim that mutilation one religion does (Muslim and female circumcision) is bad and controlling but mutilation another religion sanctions (Judaism and male circumcision) is good. They both involve invasive, altering procedures done to a person who has no say in the matter. There have been arguments made that male circumcision actually does nerve damage and reduces sensation in the penis. If you think there isn't an element of control going on with with male circumcision, then you are completely deluding yourself. Not to mention, an infant boy has no way of agreeing or consenting to entering into a covenant with god. How is it not controlling for the parent to make that decision for an infant, especially when the alteration done to his genitalia is ABSOLUTELY irreversible? |
I think the key difference is, I wouldn't give your opinion on this matter even a split second's worth of thought - I'm just really confident in what I did. Judging from the posters on here, though, starting with the defensive OP, those who circ are. |
Not PP, but you are missing her point. You obviously can't have researched it thoroughly because if you had, you would not have come to that conclusion. So yes, we feel sorry for you and sorrier for your sons. |
Seriously, who cares about your thoughts here? If you don't care about mine, that's good, but clearly, you do. I did not circ. If someone told me why they thought I should, I'd listen, nod politely and try to keep my eyes from rolling, and move on. If you'd divorce someone as a friend because they were honest about their feelings after you asked them, then you have thin skin. and that's fine! But you should assume if you have friends who have not circed they have an opinion on it. And to the posters who just can't get it - I don't have ANY opinion about what your child's penis "looks like." I do have an opinion about circumcision, which is not at ALL limited to, or even incidentally, about aesthetics. |
Not the PP, but YOU haven't done any real research. For starters, look at this: "only 1 of the arguments put forward by the American Academy of Pediatrics has some theoretical relevance in relation to infant male circumcision; namely, the possible protection against urinary tract infections in infant boys, which can easily be treated with antibiotics without tissue loss. The other claimed health benefits, including protection against HIV/AIDS, genital herpes, genital warts, and penile cancer, are questionable, weak, and likely to have little public health relevance in a Western context, and they do not represent compelling reasons for surgery before boys are old enough to decide for themselves." http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/03/12/peds.2012-2896.abstract |
Okey dokey crazy cakes. |
Circumcision is only a health/medical issue if the area isn't properly cleaned. It is actually an issue in areas of the world where there isn't running water, clean water and other challenges to maintaining hygiene. Also, correlation is not causation. I am suspicious of researchers blaming HIV increased transmission on circumcision. I think not using protection is more of an issue with HIV transmission. And to focus on circumcision instead is irresponsible. Again, if a person is taught how to properly clean the area, then it isn't a health issue to not get circumcised. Period. |
Agree. It is the folks who cut the genitalia of their boy children who are hung up on how they look. Why else would they come up with crazy justifications like "to look like daddy". I don't care how your child's penis looks, any more than I care about how my child's does. What I care about is that it functions as intended and is not arbitrarily injured or surgically cut. |
In my opinion, moms should get no say whatsoever in this. They don't get to have an opinion. |
Do people who broadcast that anti-curc people are "crazy" really think that nearly 50% of people choose not to circ because we're nuts?
Or could it possibly be that I see not cutting as the default, and DS' father and I just didn't see a compelling reason to cut? |
Why don't YOU post YOUR full name here, so we all of us normal folks know who to keep out of their homes so they won't be "judged"? |
WTF is this crap , now circumcision its mutilation? That puts you up in fucking moron status. I am not jewish and did not do it for religion. We circed for medical benefits. Its a tiny flap of skin get over it I couldn't care less about your kid's. Just cause the koran says you should wash your hands before eating it doesn't make me muslim if I do so. In fact all religions have some logical reasons for certain practices that are not just ceremonial.
if for some reason you brought it up in a casual conversation I would think you are a freak but wouldn't blast you with all the medical studies I would just move on to another subject. |
I'll take you seriously if you learn to use punctuation. |