NYT Times interview with Brian Kohlberger’s sister

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

The reporting is awful. Why is there no follow up question to why she was trying to force him out of the house? There must have been a serious reason, yet the reporting doesn't indicate why? From the article:

He was still socially awkward and could be abrasive, she said. They often argued. Still, she said she never saw him be violent. When she once tried to force him out of the house during an argument, he de-escalated the situation by holding back her hands.

She is not a reliable observer if she thinks this incident is normal or that physically holding her hands isn't being violent. They both were being violent.

The article is really offensive to the victim's families because it is focusing on the killer's family who still are able to talk to him. The article states

Through it all, they have tried to reconcile the son and brother they loved — and still do — with the man depicted by prosecutors and the police, the man who pleaded guilty to killing four young people with no apparent motive.

When he entered the guilty plea in July, his parents attended, with his mother sobbing in the front row.

It is ridiculous to phrase it this way- "depicted by" - NO. He is a cold blooded murderer. He plead guilty to killing 4 people in cold blood. He entered a bedroom and killed two 21 year old college students, then encountered a third 20 year old female on the stairway and killed her too. Instead of leaving he entered another bedroom and killed a 20 year old sleeping college student.

Why write an article that his mother cried in the front row or his sister was with her dad who had heart problems? Why write that the sister had given this cold blooded killer something to bring him comfort during sentencing when victims are giving impact statements. Instead of the focus of him listening to the pain he caused his sister is pleased she has gave him a drawing of a "a heart surrounded by vibrant colors that she herself had drawn for her brother. Even if she could not be there in person, she said, she wanted him to know that he was loved." And she is so pleased she recreated it for the article and there is a picture of it.

Really the sister should have not said anything or agreed to have been interviewed.

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Anonymous wrote:Brian's stare and his eyes/focus are very strange. There's no way he didn't demonstrate odd behaviors before any heroin-related issues. We haven't heard if he received any psychological, medical, or special ed support as a child. If not, either parents didn't agree to needed services or his educational settings were very neglectful.

I mean, he certainly wasn't the only undiagnosed and untreated kid with ASD. Unfortunate, yes. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say neglectful, in part because there isn't much that treatment can do.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a weird and kind of aloof brother who has never been violent and I would never jump to the conclusion that he had committed a mass murder in a neighboring town, even if the police were looking for someone who also drove a blue rav-4.

If that brother had a history of mental health problems and called you early in the morning after the murder occurred, and then later suddenly wanted to get his car out of the state, you wouldn't have gotten suspicious?

Well, on a different note, I've got a beautiful bridge you might be interested in...

He didn't call the sister early in the morning. He called his mom. And for his mom, it was not "the morning after the murder occurred." It was just... a morning. She lived on the other side of the country and knew nothing about the murders at the time. He'd called at odd hours before. She had no reason to believe his reason for calling this time was related to a news event she had not even heard about.

And he didn't "suddenly" want to get his car out of state. He had told them previously he wanted to get some things out of their house and drive them to his new place in Idaho, and his dad had offered to fly out and do the drive with him because it was so long. His dad had already bought a ticket when the murders occurred and, again, the family was not thinking about any of this in the context of the murders because to them, the murders were a separate news event that had nothing to do with their family.

A white Hyundai Elantra is a very, very common car. It is likely you know a person who drives that car. White is the most common car color. Elantras are affordable and have good resale value, so there are a lot of them on the road. If I heard about a horrific crime involving a Subaru Forester or a Nissan Sentra, I would not immediately assume that one of the people I know with those cars committed the crime. I would think "huh that car is very popular, it's going to be really hard for them to find the killer." Like it wouldn't even cross my mind.

You are making the common error of thinking that a piece of information you have already learned (that Brian Kohlberger killed four people) should always have been obvious to everyone even before literally ANYONE knew, including his family. In fact the only reason the police honed in on Brian is because his DNA was found on the knife, something it took weeks to learn because of how long DNA analysis takes. Before that, no one was looking at him and the fact that he drove a white Elantra and lived near the murder scene was not viewed as relevant by anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

But you can tell that she struggles with mental illness too (unsurprisingly). I mean just look at her hair.

Stop with the blue hair comments unless you can cite data showing a connection between blue hair and mental health.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a weird and kind of aloof brother who has never been violent and I would never jump to the conclusion that he had committed a mass murder in a neighboring town, even if the police were looking for someone who also drove a blue rav-4.

If that brother had a history of mental health problems and called you early in the morning after the murder occurred, and then later suddenly wanted to get his car out of the state, you wouldn't have gotten suspicious?

Well, on a different note, I've got a beautiful bridge you might be interested in...

He didn't call the sister early in the morning. He called his mom. And for his mom, it was not "the morning after the murder occurred." It was just... a morning. She lived on the other side of the country and knew nothing about the murders at the time. He'd called at odd hours before. She had no reason to believe his reason for calling this time was related to a news event she had not even heard about.

And he didn't "suddenly" want to get his car out of state. He had told them previously he wanted to get some things out of their house and drive them to his new place in Idaho, and his dad had offered to fly out and do the drive with him because it was so long. His dad had already bought a ticket when the murders occurred and, again, the family was not thinking about any of this in the context of the murders because to them, the murders were a separate news event that had nothing to do with their family.

A white Hyundai Elantra is a very, very common car. It is likely you know a person who drives that car. White is the most common car color. Elantras are affordable and have good resale value, so there are a lot of them on the road. If I heard about a horrific crime involving a Subaru Forester or a Nissan Sentra, I would not immediately assume that one of the people I know with those cars committed the crime. I would think "huh that car is very popular, it's going to be really hard for them to find the killer." Like it wouldn't even cross my mind.

You are making the common error of thinking that a piece of information you have already learned (that Brian Kohlberger killed four people) should always have been obvious to everyone even before literally ANYONE knew, including his family. In fact the only reason the police honed in on Brian is because his DNA was found on the knife, something it took weeks to learn because of how long DNA analysis takes. Before that, no one was looking at him and the fact that he drove a white Elantra and lived near the murder scene was not viewed as relevant by anyone.

yes to all of this!

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

I'm no criminal psychologist, but the nature of the murder doesn't strike me as the type that would come from someone openly violent in everyday life.

The sister is also not a criminal psychologist. She's not an FBI profiler. She's a mental health counselor. It didn't occur to her that her brother, who had never hurt anyone before, would murder four people in cold blood. In fact her first response upon hearing about the murders was to worry that her brother, who sometimes doesn't have it all that together, might be targeted by the person who murdered people near his home. That is the most normal and predictable response if your totally non-violent brother lived near the site of a violent murder.

There have been other murders where the family *did* suspect their family member pretty early on. In those cases, there is almost always a violent history with the family member. In most cases the family member will have threatened or even harmed someone else in the family before. There is often a criminal history of assault or DV.

But you are telling me that if a family member who had never done anything violent before, ever (and the fact that Brian had no history of violence is backed up not only by his family but by friends, classmates, teachers, school records, employers, etc.) lived near the scene of a violent murder and drove an extremely common car that had some features in common with the killer's car, you would assume the family member was the murderer?

I do not think you would.

This totally non violent brother was arrested for stealing her phone for drugs and had been in and out of rehab for a heroin addiction. He’s not your average brother. Also called his parents “Mother” and “Father”. Something was very off about him.

I am the PP. I have a brother with addiction issues. He has some unhealthy and weird habits and I am aware he has mental health issues. But he has never yelled at me, tried to physically harm me, or done either of those to anyone in our family or to anyone else that I know of.

I feel like you don't understand how many people have the exact problems this guy had and never hurt anyone. The world is full of troubled people and most of them never even commit assault much less a cold-blooded murder of four strangers. It would never occur to me that anyone I knew had done this specific crime.

Nobody is saying that people with this profile will hurt someone. But the fact that this guy, with all his baggage, acted so strangely around that time. Odd phone calls, needing to leave ASAP, hide the car, some people might get suspicious if you were being honest.

He didn’t need to leave ASAP. He left after the school semester was over nearly a month after the murders. Multiple sources have said he talked to his mother all the time, and his phone records proved that. I don’t know that you can say driving a car across the country (during which he got stopped by police twice) is an attempt at hiding it. You also have to remember he was an adult in a PhD program, so all the weirdness reported by the people at WSU before the murders weren’t being reported to his family the way they might have for an undergrad. Did the family know he was certainly odd, of course, but there is nothing suggesting they immediately should have said you know those murders in Idaho, Bryan totally did that.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a weird and kind of aloof brother who has never been violent and I would never jump to the conclusion that he had committed a mass murder in a neighboring town, even if the police were looking for someone who also drove a blue rav-4.

If that brother had a history of mental health problems and called you early in the morning after the murder occurred, and then later suddenly wanted to get his car out of the state, you wouldn't have gotten suspicious?

Well, on a different note, I've got a beautiful bridge you might be interested in...

He didn't call the sister early in the morning. He called his mom. And for his mom, it was not "the morning after the murder occurred." It was just... a morning. She lived on the other side of the country and knew nothing about the murders at the time. He'd called at odd hours before. She had no reason to believe his reason for calling this time was related to a news event she had not even heard about.

And he didn't "suddenly" want to get his car out of state. He had told them previously he wanted to get some things out of their house and drive them to his new place in Idaho, and his dad had offered to fly out and do the drive with him because it was so long. His dad had already bought a ticket when the murders occurred and, again, the family was not thinking about any of this in the context of the murders because to them, the murders were a separate news event that had nothing to do with their family.

A white Hyundai Elantra is a very, very common car. It is likely you know a person who drives that car. White is the most common car color. Elantras are affordable and have good resale value, so there are a lot of them on the road. If I heard about a horrific crime involving a Subaru Forester or a Nissan Sentra, I would not immediately assume that one of the people I know with those cars committed the crime. I would think "huh that car is very popular, it's going to be really hard for them to find the killer." Like it wouldn't even cross my mind.

You are making the common error of thinking that a piece of information you have already learned (that Brian Kohlberger killed four people) should always have been obvious to everyone even before literally ANYONE knew, including his family. In fact the only reason the police honed in on Brian is because his DNA was found on the knife, something it took weeks to learn because of how long DNA analysis takes. Before that, no one was looking at him and the fact that he drove a white Elantra and lived near the murder scene was not viewed as relevant by anyone.

yes to all of this!

It didn’t take them long to narrow it down to him so it wasn’t exactly a needle in a haystack. There were only so many white Elantras in the area so they found him pretty quickly and soon were able to verify him with DNA evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

I'm no criminal psychologist, but the nature of the murder doesn't strike me as the type that would come from someone openly violent in everyday life.

The sister is also not a criminal psychologist. She's not an FBI profiler. She's a mental health counselor. It didn't occur to her that her brother, who had never hurt anyone before, would murder four people in cold blood. In fact her first response upon hearing about the murders was to worry that her brother, who sometimes doesn't have it all that together, might be targeted by the person who murdered people near his home. That is the most normal and predictable response if your totally non-violent brother lived near the site of a violent murder.

There have been other murders where the family *did* suspect their family member pretty early on. In those cases, there is almost always a violent history with the family member. In most cases the family member will have threatened or even harmed someone else in the family before. There is often a criminal history of assault or DV.

But you are telling me that if a family member who had never done anything violent before, ever (and the fact that Brian had no history of violence is backed up not only by his family but by friends, classmates, teachers, school records, employers, etc.) lived near the scene of a violent murder and drove an extremely common car that had some features in common with the killer's car, you would assume the family member was the murderer?

I do not think you would.

This totally non violent brother was arrested for stealing her phone for drugs and had been in and out of rehab for a heroin addiction. He’s not your average brother. Also called his parents “Mother” and “Father”. Something was very off about him.

I am the PP. I have a brother with addiction issues. He has some unhealthy and weird habits and I am aware he has mental health issues. But he has never yelled at me, tried to physically harm me, or done either of those to anyone in our family or to anyone else that I know of.

I feel like you don't understand how many people have the exact problems this guy had and never hurt anyone. The world is full of troubled people and most of them never even commit assault much less a cold-blooded murder of four strangers. It would never occur to me that anyone I knew had done this specific crime.

Nobody is saying that people with this profile will hurt someone. But the fact that this guy, with all his baggage, acted so strangely around that time. Odd phone calls, needing to leave ASAP, hide the car, some people might get suspicious if you were being honest.

He didn’t need to leave ASAP. He left after the school semester was over nearly a month after the murders. Multiple sources have said he talked to his mother all the time, and his phone records proved that. I don’t know that you can say driving a car across the country (during which he got stopped by police twice) is an attempt at hiding it. You also have to remember he was an adult in a PhD program, so all the weirdness reported by the people at WSU before the murders weren’t being reported to his family the way they might have for an undergrad. Did the family know he was certainly odd, of course, but there is nothing suggesting they immediately should have said you know those murders in Idaho, Bryan totally did that.

Because the news was out about the vehicle so he had to get his car out of there ASAP.

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

The reporting is awful. Why is there no follow up question to why she was trying to force him out of the house? There must have been a serious reason, yet the reporting doesn't indicate why? From the article:

He was still socially awkward and could be abrasive, she said. They often argued. Still, she said she never saw him be violent. When she once tried to force him out of the house during an argument, he de-escalated the situation by holding back her hands.

She is not a reliable observer if she thinks this incident is normal or that physically holding her hands isn't being violent. They both were being violent.

The article is really offensive to the victim's families because it is focusing on the killer's family who still are able to talk to him. The article states

Through it all, they have tried to reconcile the son and brother they loved — and still do — with the man depicted by prosecutors and the police, the man who pleaded guilty to killing four young people with no apparent motive.

When he entered the guilty plea in July, his parents attended, with his mother sobbing in the front row.

It is ridiculous to phrase it this way- "depicted by" - NO. He is a cold blooded murderer. He plead guilty to killing 4 people in cold blood. He entered a bedroom and killed two 21 year old college students, then encountered a third 20 year old female on the stairway and killed her too. Instead of leaving he entered another bedroom and killed a 20 year old sleeping college student.

Why write an article that his mother cried in the front row or his sister was with her dad who had heart problems? Why write that the sister had given this cold blooded killer something to bring him comfort during sentencing when victims are giving impact statements. Instead of the focus of him listening to the pain he caused his sister is pleased she has gave him a drawing of a "a heart surrounded by vibrant colors that she herself had drawn for her brother. Even if she could not be there in person, she said, she wanted him to know that he was loved." And she is so pleased she recreated it for the article and there is a picture of it.

Really the sister should have not said anything or agreed to have been interviewed.

You sound like someone who has extremely limited life experience.

Do you actually think a pair of siblings getting into an argument and one of them trying to push the other out of the house to get them to leave is an unusual occurrence? I guarantee you there are thousands of people who have had that exact experience before. Is it totally functional behavior? No, but most people are not totally functional. Most people have at least some issues. Most families fight sometimes. If you don't understand this, you are incredibly sheltered and simply don't know very many people.

And the reason they wrote the story is because it's part of the narrative. It's not an article that redeems Brian or denies he killed these women. In fact it repeatedly affirms that he is the killer, and his sister at no point denies that he deserves to be in prison for it.

People still don't understand what happened. We want to understand, because it seems so senseless. There was no trial, and no one has ever explained a motive or some sequence of events that might make sense of what happened. Why did Brian kill these people? We don't know. So here is an article where his sister talks about his background prior to the murders. It is helpful in some ways (he was troubled, he had a drug problem, he'd stolen before, they fought on occasion, he could be really difficult) and not in others (he wasn't violent, he'd seemed better recently, they viewed him being in a PhD program as a step in the right direction, he didn't seem any different than his normal during that holiday). It's frustrating! We want it to be clear. We want an explanation. We want a lesson we can apply to our own lives so that we can prevent this horrible crime from happening in our families, or to us, or to people we love.

But the truth is we still have more questions than answers. That's not the sister's fault. In fact she probably wants those answers even more than you do. But she doesn't have them, and you can't be angry at her for that.

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One thing that's interesting: the (other) sister, Amanda, was on the prosecutions witness list, but not the parents.

It's probably normal to not want to call the parents as prosecution witnesses. But I would think the sister would have similar problems. And she probably didn't have much to say.

Yes, I know they very well might not have called her at all.

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Even though the family did not consider or see him violent, does not mean he wasn't. He may have been violent and no one knew. I remember hearing about a journal where he wrote that he felt nothing, and would do things to make himself feel, but nothing worked.

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

The reporting is awful. Why is there no follow up question to why she was trying to force him out of the house? There must have been a serious reason, yet the reporting doesn't indicate why? From the article:

He was still socially awkward and could be abrasive, she said. They often argued. Still, she said she never saw him be violent. When she once tried to force him out of the house during an argument, he de-escalated the situation by holding back her hands.

She is not a reliable observer if she thinks this incident is normal or that physically holding her hands isn't being violent. They both were being violent.

The article is really offensive to the victim's families because it is focusing on the killer's family who still are able to talk to him. The article states

Through it all, they have tried to reconcile the son and brother they loved — and still do — with the man depicted by prosecutors and the police, the man who pleaded guilty to killing four young people with no apparent motive.

When he entered the guilty plea in July, his parents attended, with his mother sobbing in the front row.

It is ridiculous to phrase it this way- "depicted by" - NO. He is a cold blooded murderer. He plead guilty to killing 4 people in cold blood. He entered a bedroom and killed two 21 year old college students, then encountered a third 20 year old female on the stairway and killed her too. Instead of leaving he entered another bedroom and killed a 20 year old sleeping college student.

Why write an article that his mother cried in the front row or his sister was with her dad who had heart problems? Why write that the sister had given this cold blooded killer something to bring him comfort during sentencing when victims are giving impact statements. Instead of the focus of him listening to the pain he caused his sister is pleased she has gave him a drawing of a "a heart surrounded by vibrant colors that she herself had drawn for her brother. Even if she could not be there in person, she said, she wanted him to know that he was loved." And she is so pleased she recreated it for the article and there is a picture of it.

Really the sister should have not said anything or agreed to have been interviewed.

You sound like someone who has extremely limited life experience.

Do you actually think a pair of siblings getting into an argument and one of them trying to push the other out of the house to get them to leave is an unusual occurrence? I guarantee you there are thousands of people who have had that exact experience before. Is it totally functional behavior? No, but most people are not totally functional. Most people have at least some issues. Most families fight sometimes. If you don't understand this, you are incredibly sheltered and simply don't know very many people.

And the reason they wrote the story is because it's part of the narrative. It's not an article that redeems Brian or denies he killed these women. In fact it repeatedly affirms that he is the killer, and his sister at no point denies that he deserves to be in prison for it.

People still don't understand what happened. We want to understand, because it seems so senseless. There was no trial, and no one has ever explained a motive or some sequence of events that might make sense of what happened. Why did Brian kill these people? We don't know. So here is an article where his sister talks about his background prior to the murders. It is helpful in some ways (he was troubled, he had a drug problem, he'd stolen before, they fought on occasion, he could be really difficult) and not in others (he wasn't violent, he'd seemed better recently, they viewed him being in a PhD program as a step in the right direction, he didn't seem any different than his normal during that holiday). It's frustrating! We want it to be clear. We want an explanation. We want a lesson we can apply to our own lives so that we can prevent this horrible crime from happening in our families, or to us, or to people we love.

But the truth is we still have more questions than answers. That's not the sister's fault. In fact she probably wants those answers even more than you do. But she doesn't have them, and you can't be angry at her for that.

Maybe I've watched too many movies, but the criminology program always looked like a *huge* red flag here, too. Demonstrates a strong interest in crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

I'm no criminal psychologist, but the nature of the murder doesn't strike me as the type that would come from someone openly violent in everyday life.

The sister is also not a criminal psychologist. She's not an FBI profiler. She's a mental health counselor. It didn't occur to her that her brother, who had never hurt anyone before, would murder four people in cold blood. In fact her first response upon hearing about the murders was to worry that her brother, who sometimes doesn't have it all that together, might be targeted by the person who murdered people near his home. That is the most normal and predictable response if your totally non-violent brother lived near the site of a violent murder.

There have been other murders where the family *did* suspect their family member pretty early on. In those cases, there is almost always a violent history with the family member. In most cases the family member will have threatened or even harmed someone else in the family before. There is often a criminal history of assault or DV.

But you are telling me that if a family member who had never done anything violent before, ever (and the fact that Brian had no history of violence is backed up not only by his family but by friends, classmates, teachers, school records, employers, etc.) lived near the scene of a violent murder and drove an extremely common car that had some features in common with the killer's car, you would assume the family member was the murderer?

I do not think you would.

This totally non violent brother was arrested for stealing her phone for drugs and had been in and out of rehab for a heroin addiction. He’s not your average brother. Also called his parents “Mother” and “Father”. Something was very off about him.

I am the PP. I have a brother with addiction issues. He has some unhealthy and weird habits and I am aware he has mental health issues. But he has never yelled at me, tried to physically harm me, or done either of those to anyone in our family or to anyone else that I know of.

I feel like you don't understand how many people have the exact problems this guy had and never hurt anyone. The world is full of troubled people and most of them never even commit assault much less a cold-blooded murder of four strangers. It would never occur to me that anyone I knew had done this specific crime.

Nobody is saying that people with this profile will hurt someone. But the fact that this guy, with all his baggage, acted so strangely around that time. Odd phone calls, needing to leave ASAP, hide the car, some people might get suspicious if you were being honest.

He didn’t need to leave ASAP. He left after the school semester was over nearly a month after the murders. Multiple sources have said he talked to his mother all the time, and his phone records proved that. I don’t know that you can say driving a car across the country (during which he got stopped by police twice) is an attempt at hiding it. You also have to remember he was an adult in a PhD program, so all the weirdness reported by the people at WSU before the murders weren’t being reported to his family the way they might have for an undergrad. Did the family know he was certainly odd, of course, but there is nothing suggesting they immediately should have said you know those murders in Idaho, Bryan totally did that.

Because the news was out about the vehicle so he had to get his car out of there ASAP.

The news about the Elantra was out for weeks before he went back to PA. And even if Kohberger was thinking he’s got to get that car out of the area because he killed 4 people, there is nothing to suggest that his family knew that.

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

I'm no criminal psychologist, but the nature of the murder doesn't strike me as the type that would come from someone openly violent in everyday life.

The sister is also not a criminal psychologist. She's not an FBI profiler. She's a mental health counselor. It didn't occur to her that her brother, who had never hurt anyone before, would murder four people in cold blood. In fact her first response upon hearing about the murders was to worry that her brother, who sometimes doesn't have it all that together, might be targeted by the person who murdered people near his home. That is the most normal and predictable response if your totally non-violent brother lived near the site of a violent murder.

There have been other murders where the family *did* suspect their family member pretty early on. In those cases, there is almost always a violent history with the family member. In most cases the family member will have threatened or even harmed someone else in the family before. There is often a criminal history of assault or DV.

But you are telling me that if a family member who had never done anything violent before, ever (and the fact that Brian had no history of violence is backed up not only by his family but by friends, classmates, teachers, school records, employers, etc.) lived near the scene of a violent murder and drove an extremely common car that had some features in common with the killer's car, you would assume the family member was the murderer?

I do not think you would.

This totally non violent brother was arrested for stealing her phone for drugs and had been in and out of rehab for a heroin addiction. He’s not your average brother. Also called his parents “Mother” and “Father”. Something was very off about him.

I am the PP. I have a brother with addiction issues. He has some unhealthy and weird habits and I am aware he has mental health issues. But he has never yelled at me, tried to physically harm me, or done either of those to anyone in our family or to anyone else that I know of.

I feel like you don't understand how many people have the exact problems this guy had and never hurt anyone. The world is full of troubled people and most of them never even commit assault much less a cold-blooded murder of four strangers. It would never occur to me that anyone I knew had done this specific crime.

Nobody is saying that people with this profile will hurt someone. But the fact that this guy, with all his baggage, acted so strangely around that time. Odd phone calls, needing to leave ASAP, hide the car, some people might get suspicious if you were being honest.

He didn’t need to leave ASAP. He left after the school semester was over nearly a month after the murders. Multiple sources have said he talked to his mother all the time, and his phone records proved that. I don’t know that you can say driving a car across the country (during which he got stopped by police twice) is an attempt at hiding it. You also have to remember he was an adult in a PhD program, so all the weirdness reported by the people at WSU before the murders weren’t being reported to his family the way they might have for an undergrad. Did the family know he was certainly odd, of course, but there is nothing suggesting they immediately should have said you know those murders in Idaho, Bryan totally did that.

DP. There's a huge amount of space between believing innocence verses he "totally did it."

I'm saying he should have looked like a very credible suspect as those other details came to light.

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

I'm no criminal psychologist, but the nature of the murder doesn't strike me as the type that would come from someone openly violent in everyday life.

The sister is also not a criminal psychologist. She's not an FBI profiler. She's a mental health counselor. It didn't occur to her that her brother, who had never hurt anyone before, would murder four people in cold blood. In fact her first response upon hearing about the murders was to worry that her brother, who sometimes doesn't have it all that together, might be targeted by the person who murdered people near his home. That is the most normal and predictable response if your totally non-violent brother lived near the site of a violent murder.

There have been other murders where the family *did* suspect their family member pretty early on. In those cases, there is almost always a violent history with the family member. In most cases the family member will have threatened or even harmed someone else in the family before. There is often a criminal history of assault or DV.

But you are telling me that if a family member who had never done anything violent before, ever (and the fact that Brian had no history of violence is backed up not only by his family but by friends, classmates, teachers, school records, employers, etc.) lived near the scene of a violent murder and drove an extremely common car that had some features in common with the killer's car, you would assume the family member was the murderer?

I do not think you would.

This totally non violent brother was arrested for stealing her phone for drugs and had been in and out of rehab for a heroin addiction. He’s not your average brother. Also called his parents “Mother” and “Father”. Something was very off about him.

I am the PP. I have a brother with addiction issues. He has some unhealthy and weird habits and I am aware he has mental health issues. But he has never yelled at me, tried to physically harm me, or done either of those to anyone in our family or to anyone else that I know of.

I feel like you don't understand how many people have the exact problems this guy had and never hurt anyone. The world is full of troubled people and most of them never even commit assault much less a cold-blooded murder of four strangers. It would never occur to me that anyone I knew had done this specific crime.

Nobody is saying that people with this profile will hurt someone. But the fact that this guy, with all his baggage, acted so strangely around that time. Odd phone calls, needing to leave ASAP, hide the car, some people might get suspicious if you were being honest.

He didn’t need to leave ASAP. He left after the school semester was over nearly a month after the murders. Multiple sources have said he talked to his mother all the time, and his phone records proved that. I don’t know that you can say driving a car across the country (during which he got stopped by police twice) is an attempt at hiding it. You also have to remember he was an adult in a PhD program, so all the weirdness reported by the people at WSU before the murders weren’t being reported to his family the way they might have for an undergrad. Did the family know he was certainly odd, of course, but there is nothing suggesting they immediately should have said you know those murders in Idaho, Bryan totally did that.

Because the news was out about the vehicle so he had to get his car out of there ASAP.

The news about the Elantra was out for weeks before he went back to PA. And even if Kohberger was thinking he’s got to get that car out of the area because he killed 4 people, there is nothing to suggest that his family knew that.

At least the younger sister knew about the car, so I'd be surprised if the rest of them didn't.