Olivia Nuzzi on her relationship with RFK Jr.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my god, Olivia Nuzzi had another affair with another 30+ older man.

Here's the original reveal from her ex, Ryan Lizza: https://www.telos.news/p/part-1-how-i-found-out

Lol. Ryan is a messy b-tch for this and he definitely hasn't moved on.

I enjoyed reading Ryan’s piece, it’s always helpful to get the other side of the story. But this guy doesn’t get a pass from me. Nuzzi was messy af. But Lizza and Nuzzi were both clout-chasers who mutually benefited from each other’s looks, position, and access. Lizza unfortunately miscalculated that Olivia would try to level up eventually; something that was obvious to anybody who knew about the Olberman history. Nuzzi was (is) a creature for whom lifeblood is attention and death is irrelevance. Each jump to next rock was a more powerful guy, no matter how gross. This makes sense when you realize that the guy isn’t a guy, he’s a path to survival. Nuzzi’s writing skills are always presented as some sort of defense of her actions; as if being skilled at something, anything, somehow reorients the moral framework around which choices should be made. She’s a good writer. She also decided rules of journalism didn’t apply to her. That’s a problem. She’s odd person to lionize until you realize that the media folks writing about her in the press, defending her on X, and giving her book deals are men. It sounds too simple and dumb to be an explanation, but everyone still scratches their heads about how Elizabeth Holmes scammed investors out of millions of dollars.

No matter how compelling Lizza’s version of of events is, or how true, his piece reads as no more or less interesting than the story of any other guy smarting from losing the girl at the end of the movie. Juxtaposing his history with Nuzzi with the inclusion of his over the top love for his latest girlfriend is like that guy you go out on a date with who can’t stop talking about his ex: “you’re so beautiful! Also my ex was such a B, lemme tell you more about her”.

Being betrayed absolutely sucks and I’ve been there. But all of these people suffer from main character syndrome. There’s nothing extraordinary about a middle-aged guy’s 20-something girlfriend figuring out that there was a quicker elevator to the penthouse. Lizza is human, and deserving of empathy. But he ain’t special. My college roommate got dumped for an AP, and we got drunk, stalked her SM, then got up the next day and moved on with our lives. These folks should do the same.

Admittedly I didn't read all of this, but if you agree that Ryan Lizza is a nasty, greedy little b-tch for trying to turn his ex-girlfriend's saga into a come-up for himself while pretending to be above it all, then we agree.

Oh yes, we concur. I loved the part where he describes her angling for a wedding while he politely demures. Nothing says “I never wanted her” like a long-form article spilling all the deets a full year later.

YES. That part was a complete own goal on his part. Nothing says duplicitous snake like posing as the blindsided innocent victimized by a man-eating bimbo while admitting you led her on with no intention of marrying her. She was supposed to stay loyal to a man who was knowingly wasting what he knew she considered her prime marriageable years?

And the money-hungry, deeply envious way he catalogs the items she received from Olbermann is creepy as hell. He sounds a lot like an envious female competitor -- as if his real cause of his anger is that he isn't a woman who has the looks and game to attract financial and career support from successful older men.

I have no sympathy for Ryan Lizza given that there were numerous red flags he was either too stupid to see or too stupid to heed. But I don't think it counts as leading her on if she was cheating on him the entire time.

They are both odious people. But he is just a sad pathetic old man and she's likely mentally ill.

It most definitely does count as leading her on. He was consciously leading her on while smugly thinking he was denying her marriage, without realizing that she was also leading him on. That makes him both a gaping azzhole and a moron, not a victim.

I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt here. He was recently divorced and much older than her, meanwhile she kept going on and on about how she had to get married by 30. He then goes on to say she was pressuring him to plan the wedding. That would make a lot of guys feel like she wanted to get married just for the sake of getting married. Perhaps it was less that he wanted to string her along and deny her marriage but more that he wanted to make sure it was the real deal. Rushing into marriage is always a terrible idea, especially if one partner wants to do it just to say they had a wedding and did it by a certain age.

I am certainly no Ryan Lizza fan but I think you are reading too much into his comments about not being ready to discuss marriage. He has a ton of flaws - he's a middle aged simp who ignored dozens of red flags in a woman half his age, he stayed with her after the first affair, he seems deeply insecure - but I think not wanting to rush into marriage so his 28 year old gf can have a wedding is not one of them.

In some ways I wonder if he didn't want to get married bc the part of him that knew he was in denial about how toxic Olivia was had doubts.

Why exactly would you choose to give the benefit of the doubt to a 50-something year old loser leading on a woman almost half his age, but deride the woman as "toxic"? Some of you really don't know how to think before you post. How do you not feel like an idiot writing a three-paragraph defense of a mouth breather who is staring down 60 and still too immature and vindictive to avoid writing hit pieces on exes? What would it take for you not to fall to your knees before a man? Internalized misogyny is a mofo.

This thread is so irritating because I don't even give a crap about this woman, but I'm so sick of the toxic stupidity of so many of my fellow women who can excuse anything a man does but can't froth and foam hard enough at the chance to take down another woman. When will you crabs get it together and stop envying other women so that women have a fighting chance in this society? Men will stand rock solid behind literal serial rapists and multi-victim pedophiles, but a woman has a phone situationship with a man and you all think she should go hungry in the streets. The way you throw away other women is why you're so expendable too. When will you get that? Just dumb.

They're both losers but he's just a sad old man who thinks the industry chippie really love$$$ him. She, imo, actually is toxic, demanding she get married "before she's old" (mind you, "old" here means 30) and telling him to plan a wedding while she's cheating on him.

Believe me, no one is getting down on her knees before Ryan Lizza except Olivia Nuzzi.

You're on at least your third comment defending him. It would actually be less sad if you were fellating him IRL because at least he'd know you exist. Right now, you're just being stupid for free because you're too dim to interrogate why you feel the need to defend men.

Okay, Olivia. I have a dad who loves me and had my best interests at heart as a kid so I actually don't need to fellate your loser ex. I just think he's a loser and you have BPD. Hope this helps.

Um, sure, you can rest assured Olivia is right here reading your advice very closely. Your time was definitely well spent.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my god, Olivia Nuzzi had another affair with another 30+ older man.

Here's the original reveal from her ex, Ryan Lizza: https://www.telos.news/p/part-1-how-i-found-out

Lol. Ryan is a messy b-tch for this and he definitely hasn't moved on.

I enjoyed reading Ryan’s piece, it’s always helpful to get the other side of the story. But this guy doesn’t get a pass from me. Nuzzi was messy af. But Lizza and Nuzzi were both clout-chasers who mutually benefited from each other’s looks, position, and access. Lizza unfortunately miscalculated that Olivia would try to level up eventually; something that was obvious to anybody who knew about the Olberman history. Nuzzi was (is) a creature for whom lifeblood is attention and death is irrelevance. Each jump to next rock was a more powerful guy, no matter how gross. This makes sense when you realize that the guy isn’t a guy, he’s a path to survival. Nuzzi’s writing skills are always presented as some sort of defense of her actions; as if being skilled at something, anything, somehow reorients the moral framework around which choices should be made. She’s a good writer. She also decided rules of journalism didn’t apply to her. That’s a problem. She’s odd person to lionize until you realize that the media folks writing about her in the press, defending her on X, and giving her book deals are men. It sounds too simple and dumb to be an explanation, but everyone still scratches their heads about how Elizabeth Holmes scammed investors out of millions of dollars.

No matter how compelling Lizza’s version of of events is, or how true, his piece reads as no more or less interesting than the story of any other guy smarting from losing the girl at the end of the movie. Juxtaposing his history with Nuzzi with the inclusion of his over the top love for his latest girlfriend is like that guy you go out on a date with who can’t stop talking about his ex: “you’re so beautiful! Also my ex was such a B, lemme tell you more about her”.

Being betrayed absolutely sucks and I’ve been there. But all of these people suffer from main character syndrome. There’s nothing extraordinary about a middle-aged guy’s 20-something girlfriend figuring out that there was a quicker elevator to the penthouse. Lizza is human, and deserving of empathy. But he ain’t special. My college roommate got dumped for an AP, and we got drunk, stalked her SM, then got up the next day and moved on with our lives. These folks should do the same.

Admittedly I didn't read all of this, but if you agree that Ryan Lizza is a nasty, greedy little b-tch for trying to turn his ex-girlfriend's saga into a come-up for himself while pretending to be above it all, then we agree.

Oh yes, we concur. I loved the part where he describes her angling for a wedding while he politely demures. Nothing says “I never wanted her” like a long-form article spilling all the deets a full year later.

YES. That part was a complete own goal on his part. Nothing says duplicitous snake like posing as the blindsided innocent victimized by a man-eating bimbo while admitting you led her on with no intention of marrying her. She was supposed to stay loyal to a man who was knowingly wasting what he knew she considered her prime marriageable years?

And the money-hungry, deeply envious way he catalogs the items she received from Olbermann is creepy as hell. He sounds a lot like an envious female competitor -- as if his real cause of his anger is that he isn't a woman who has the looks and game to attract financial and career support from successful older men.

I have no sympathy for Ryan Lizza given that there were numerous red flags he was either too stupid to see or too stupid to heed. But I don't think it counts as leading her on if she was cheating on him the entire time.

They are both odious people. But he is just a sad pathetic old man and she's likely mentally ill.

It most definitely does count as leading her on. He was consciously leading her on while smugly thinking he was denying her marriage, without realizing that she was also leading him on. That makes him both a gaping azzhole and a moron, not a victim.

I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt here. He was recently divorced and much older than her, meanwhile she kept going on and on about how she had to get married by 30. He then goes on to say she was pressuring him to plan the wedding. That would make a lot of guys feel like she wanted to get married just for the sake of getting married. Perhaps it was less that he wanted to string her along and deny her marriage but more that he wanted to make sure it was the real deal. Rushing into marriage is always a terrible idea, especially if one partner wants to do it just to say they had a wedding and did it by a certain age.

I am certainly no Ryan Lizza fan but I think you are reading too much into his comments about not being ready to discuss marriage. He has a ton of flaws - he's a middle aged simp who ignored dozens of red flags in a woman half his age, he stayed with her after the first affair, he seems deeply insecure - but I think not wanting to rush into marriage so his 28 year old gf can have a wedding is not one of them.

In some ways I wonder if he didn't want to get married bc the part of him that knew he was in denial about how toxic Olivia was had doubts.

Why exactly would you choose to give the benefit of the doubt to a 50-something year old loser leading on a woman almost half his age, but deride the woman as "toxic"? Some of you really don't know how to think before you post. How do you not feel like an idiot writing a three-paragraph defense of a mouth breather who is staring down 60 and still too immature and vindictive to avoid writing hit pieces on exes? What would it take for you not to fall to your knees before a man? Internalized misogyny is a mofo.

This thread is so irritating because I don't even give a crap about this woman, but I'm so sick of the toxic stupidity of so many of my fellow women who can excuse anything a man does but can't froth and foam hard enough at the chance to take down another woman. When will you crabs get it together and stop envying other women so that women have a fighting chance in this society? Men will stand rock solid behind literal serial rapists and multi-victim pedophiles, but a woman has a phone situationship with a man and you all think she should go hungry in the streets. The way you throw away other women is why you're so expendable too. When will you get that? Just dumb.

It's not a hit piece. A hit piece is excessively critical. He's literally just reporting that his ex cheated on him.

Frankly she seems like a loose cannon and I don't blame him for doing this exercise in CYA.

It's not a hit piece when he maliciously exposes another affair no one knew about and the exposé is conveniently timed to create backlash against her in her new job? Girl, bye.

No, it's not a hit piece. A hit piece would be if she made some minor relationship transgression 5 years ago and he felt the need to bring it to light as evidence she's some horrible person. "Olivia didn't do the dishes one night when it was her turn and that's really indicative of the kind of person she is" would be a hit piece. Grossly exaggerating things she did would be a hit piece. Straight up lying would be a hit piece.

She is capitalizing on something that was deeply painful for him as part of her redemption tour and god only knows how self-serving she is going to be in the book. I don't blame him for sharing his side.

You act like it's anti-feminist to say they both suck he just sucks less? Or are we all just supposed to support Olivia because she's a woman?

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Anonymous wrote:Ryan lizza has a sordid history too. He’s just like Olivia. She just beat him to the punch.

And now he’s playing the victim

Exactly. He wishes Sanford and the rest would pay him to bend over. How much of an idiot must he be to have no book deal and be stuck posting bitter screeds on substack while her career is back on track with a book out already? Twice her age and half her intellect.

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Anonymous wrote:Ryan lizza has a sordid history too. He’s just like Olivia. She just beat him to the punch.

And now he’s playing the victim

They're both playing the victim. His substack was incredibly self-serving and I'm sure her book will be as well. They are both horrible people.

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Anonymous wrote:Ryan lizza has a sordid history too. He’s just like Olivia. She just beat him to the punch.

And now he’s playing the victim

Exactly. He wishes Sanford and the rest would pay him to bend over. How much of an idiot must he be to have no book deal and be stuck posting bitter screeds on substack while her career is back on track with a book out already? Twice her age and half her intellect.

Uh, I don't know about that. She's a horrible writer, slept with two sources which is indicative of horrific impulse control, and is now writing a book ensuring that she will always be remembered as "the girl who blew up her career to sext RFK Jr."

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Anonymous wrote:Ryan lizza has a sordid history too. He’s just like Olivia. She just beat him to the punch.

And now he’s playing the victim

Exactly. He wishes Sanford and the rest would pay him to bend over. How much of an idiot must he be to have no book deal and be stuck posting bitter screeds on substack while her career is back on track with a book out already? Twice her age and half her intellect.

Also I think he didn't write a book because he claims Olivia had been contacting him for months trying to get him to sign an NDA and promising she wouldn't talk about it. She then reneged on that. Again, I can see why he'd want to get his side out.

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Anonymous wrote:Ryan lizza has a sordid history too. He’s just like Olivia. She just beat him to the punch.

And now he’s playing the victim

Exactly. He wishes Sanford and the rest would pay him to bend over. How much of an idiot must he be to have no book deal and be stuck posting bitter screeds on substack while her career is back on track with a book out already? Twice her age and half her intellect.

Also I think he didn't write a book because he claims Olivia had been contacting him for months trying to get him to sign an NDA and promising she wouldn't talk about it. She then reneged on that. Again, I can see why he'd want to get his side out.

Yeah, a likely story. I have no doubt publishers are just beating his door down.

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Anonymous wrote:Ryan lizza has a sordid history too. He’s just like Olivia. She just beat him to the punch.

And now he’s playing the victim

Exactly. He wishes Sanford and the rest would pay him to bend over. How much of an idiot must he be to have no book deal and be stuck posting bitter screeds on substack while her career is back on track with a book out already? Twice her age and half her intellect.

Uh, I don't know about that. She's a horrible writer, slept with two sources which is indicative of horrific impulse control, and is now writing a book ensuring that she will always be remembered as "the girl who blew up her career to sext RFK Jr."

She's known as the girl who got a book deal and new high profile job out of what you all hoped would be a career ender. I'm rooting for her. Enough of blaming women because men refuse to stop using money to extract sex from women their children's age. Go ask your dads and granddads to leave other people's children alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Ryan lizza has a sordid history too. He’s just like Olivia. She just beat him to the punch.

And now he’s playing the victim

Exactly. He wishes Sanford and the rest would pay him to bend over. How much of an idiot must he be to have no book deal and be stuck posting bitter screeds on substack while her career is back on track with a book out already? Twice her age and half her intellect.

Uh, I don't know about that. She's a horrible writer, slept with two sources which is indicative of horrific impulse control, and is now writing a book ensuring that she will always be remembered as "the girl who blew up her career to sext RFK Jr."

She's known as the girl who got a book deal and new high profile job out of what you all hoped would be a career ender. I'm rooting for her. Enough of blaming women because men refuse to stop using money to extract sex from women their children's age. Go ask your dads and granddads to leave other people's children alone.

That's....incredibly weird that you leap to assuming people who don't like Olivia Nuzzi have pedophiles in their family.

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Anonymous wrote:Ryan lizza has a sordid history too. He’s just like Olivia. She just beat him to the punch.

And now he’s playing the victim

Exactly. He wishes Sanford and the rest would pay him to bend over. How much of an idiot must he be to have no book deal and be stuck posting bitter screeds on substack while her career is back on track with a book out already? Twice her age and half her intellect.

Uh, I don't know about that. She's a horrible writer, slept with two sources which is indicative of horrific impulse control, and is now writing a book ensuring that she will always be remembered as "the girl who blew up her career to sext RFK Jr."

She's known as the girl who got a book deal and new high profile job out of what you all hoped would be a career ender. I'm rooting for her. Enough of blaming women because men refuse to stop using money to extract sex from women their children's age. Go ask your dads and granddads to leave other people's children alone.

That's....incredibly weird that you leap to assuming people who don't like Olivia Nuzzi have pedophiles in their family.

^^^Especially when you're defending a woman who recorded and released a song about being "jail bait" when she was a child.

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Sexualized pop stars would never be so overt as to write a song called "jailbait." Livvy had poor marketing instincts back then, she was never gonna make it.

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Anonymous wrote:Sexualized pop stars would never be so overt as to write a song called "jailbait." Livvy had poor marketing instincts back then, she was never gonna make it.

And she's always thought she was way more clever than she actually is. Here's her email to Pop Justice from when she was marketing her record at 16:

Of her debut single, she says, "'Jailbait' is about the role of the underaged, hyper-sexualized girl in society. That girl who takes half naked photos of herself in the mirror with her camera phone. It's about pornographic ideals infiltrating our collective consciousness — this obsession with youth and beauty. I'm not saying that any of this is wrong, I'm simply stating that it is. This song is me coming to a societal realization."

The lyrics to said "societal realization":



Source: https://www.popjustice.com/briefing/thats-livvy-alright/

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Anonymous wrote:Ryan lizza has a sordid history too. He’s just like Olivia. She just beat him to the punch.

And now he’s playing the victim

Exactly. He wishes Sanford and the rest would pay him to bend over. How much of an idiot must he be to have no book deal and be stuck posting bitter screeds on substack while her career is back on track with a book out already? Twice her age and half her intellect.

Uh, I don't know about that. She's a horrible writer, slept with two sources which is indicative of horrific impulse control, and is now writing a book ensuring that she will always be remembered as "the girl who blew up her career to sext RFK Jr."

She's known as the girl who got a book deal and new high profile job out of what you all hoped would be a career ender. I'm rooting for her. Enough of blaming women because men refuse to stop using money to extract sex from women their children's age. Go ask your dads and granddads to leave other people's children alone.

That's....incredibly weird that you leap to assuming people who don't like Olivia Nuzzi have pedophiles in their family.

*Gasp* Omg, not my daddy!

Everyone pretends it isn't their father and grandfather misusing their positions of power to compromise and financially pressure young women into sex. But, as rampant as the behavior is among men, you need to get real. If you were a worthwhile person, you'd save your energy for the legion of male predators among us instead of only coming to life when a woman is discovered to have used their depravity to a small advantage. Loser.

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Anonymous wrote:Ryan lizza has a sordid history too. He’s just like Olivia. She just beat him to the punch.

And now he’s playing the victim

Exactly. He wishes Sanford and the rest would pay him to bend over. How much of an idiot must he be to have no book deal and be stuck posting bitter screeds on substack while her career is back on track with a book out already? Twice her age and half her intellect.

Uh, I don't know about that. She's a horrible writer, slept with two sources which is indicative of horrific impulse control, and is now writing a book ensuring that she will always be remembered as "the girl who blew up her career to sext RFK Jr."

She's known as the girl who got a book deal and new high profile job out of what you all hoped would be a career ender. I'm rooting for her. Enough of blaming women because men refuse to stop using money to extract sex from women their children's age. Go ask your dads and granddads to leave other people's children alone.

That's....incredibly weird that you leap to assuming people who don't like Olivia Nuzzi have pedophiles in their family.

^^^Especially when you're defending a woman who recorded and released a song about being "jail bait" when she was a child.

A child releases a sexually inappropriate song under the supervision of the countless adults needed to write, produce, and greenlight a song. And you think the thing to do is to use that song to attack her as an adult.

50 year old user Ryan Lizza is a victim, but Olivia Nuzzi, who we now know has been getting used and compromised by men since she was literally a child deserves your scorn?

You're a pig plain and simple. Virtually no woman will make it from birth to death without ending up in some nasty male predator's crosshairs. When it's you or your daughter's turn or the turn of any woman you love, I hope you all get treated the exact same way you personally treat other women.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my god, Olivia Nuzzi had another affair with another 30+ older man.

Here's the original reveal from her ex, Ryan Lizza: https://www.telos.news/p/part-1-how-i-found-out

Truly a remarkable feat that this piece made him even more unlikable than her.

Those two were a perfect match.