Mamdani vs NYPD

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, a few corrupt cops might quit! Whatever will we do?

What makes you think the corrupt cops will quit? It’s the excellent NYPD cops that don’t want to be stigmatized, demonized, and despised by not only the citizens they serve, but the city leadership. The great cops have options to serve outside the city that the corrupt ones don’t.

When the current vigorous recruiting effort isn’t keeping up with retirements and transfers, what will happen to staffing in NYC when a self declared police detractor is sworn in as the mayor that needs to find $1.1B for the Department of Community Safety? Some of that money will come out of the NYPD budget.

Great cops should have no problem being held to high standards.

DP. You’re being deliberately disingenuous.

How many people would stay at a job where their boss suggested they were “racist, anti-queer & a major threat to public safety”?

Especially when that job is dangerous, has terrible hours, pays poorly, and when you can get a similar job elsewhere?

Mamdani’s past statements about police were incredibly ill-advised. Time will tell whether and to what extent they have real world impact.

Good cops should welcome getting rid of racist, homophobic, and corrupt cops who abuse their power. If you don’t, you aren’t a good cop

There are 34,000 NYPD officers. How many does each cop interact with in a month, 100, 200? How many of those 200 do they know anything about beyond their names? Those cops don’t know who the racists, homophobes and corrupt cops are.

You really think that they don't know who the bad ones are? Cops have partners. They have CI and talk to regular people and known and rehabbed criminals in the neighborhoods they patrol. There is Internal Affairs. And a CCRB. You're stupid if you think that most normal cops want to associate with and deal with the blowback and the pressure from the brotherhood to cover up sh!t that corrupt and racist cops do.

Patch (2020): These NYPD Precincts Top Their Borough's Confirmed Cop Complaints

A largely-Black swath of east Brooklyn. A Bronx outpost. An ocean-side presence in Far Rockaway. A view of the Staten Island Ferry. A hold in Harlem.

These are the places protected by NYPD officers who amassed the most substantiated misconduct complaints in their boroughs, according to a new database published by ProPublica.

The database covers more than two decades of confirmed wrongdoing by cops, as documented by the Civilian Complaint Review Board. Some individual cops have racked up dozens of accusations, the database shows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mamdani will be the mayor who finally has the guts to fully defund the NYPD and tear down Rikers Island, along with all the other vile prisons and jails.

Right on, comrade! Put the criminals on the streets, not behind bars! Two, four, six, eight, who do we appreciate? Felons! Felons! Felons!

They are just like you & me, except we haven’t set anybody on fire, pushed anybody onto railroad tracks, raped any old ladies, molested any kids, invaded anybody’s home, or carjacked an Uber. But other than stuff like that, we are the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mamdani will be the mayor who finally has the guts to fully defund the NYPD and tear down Rikers Island, along with all the other vile prisons and jails.

Right on, comrade! Put the criminals on the streets, not behind bars! Two, four, six, eight, who do we appreciate? Felons! Felons! Felons!

They are just like you & me, except we haven’t set anybody on fire, pushed anybody onto railroad tracks, raped any old ladies, molested any kids, invaded anybody’s home, or carjacked an Uber. But other than stuff like that, we are the same.

Actually, your president has raped and molested a bunch of people. Where were these police? That’s right, voting for him.

Sounds like Mamdani is finally cleaning NYC up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mamdani will be the mayor who finally has the guts to fully defund the NYPD and tear down Rikers Island, along with all the other vile prisons and jails.

Right on, comrade! Put the criminals on the streets, not behind bars! Two, four, six, eight, who do we appreciate? Felons! Felons! Felons!

They are just like you & me, except we haven’t set anybody on fire, pushed anybody onto railroad tracks, raped any old ladies, molested any kids, invaded anybody’s home, or carjacked an Uber. But other than stuff like that, we are the same.

Further, Mamdani is finally going to do something about mentally ill people wandering around committing crimes. NYC is going the be better than ever!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mamdani will be the mayor who finally has the guts to fully defund the NYPD and tear down Rikers Island, along with all the other vile prisons and jails.

Right on, comrade! Put the criminals on the streets, not behind bars! Two, four, six, eight, who do we appreciate? Felons! Felons! Felons!

They are just like you & me, except we haven’t set anybody on fire, pushed anybody onto railroad tracks, raped any old ladies, molested any kids, invaded anybody’s home, or carjacked an Uber. But other than stuff like that, we are the same.

Just because someone has committed a crime, it doesn’t make that person a criminal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suffolk County PD has a lower starting salary but it goes to $190k after 8 years, which is much better than the NYPD. SCPD also offers retirement at 20 years vs. the NYPD at 22 years.

The starting salary for places like that is irrelevant because they are hiring laterals out of NyPD — essentially they recriitcofficers with 5-8 years on the force who have already been trained and who probably have kids and want an easier job and a shorter commute. The only real break on that is those counties don’t really need that many cops so there’s a limit to how many can take that out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The mayor-elect of NYC called the NYPD racist, homophobic, and said “when the boot of the NYPD is on your neck, it’s been laced by the IDF.”

Mamdani did an apology tour, but does any reasonable person believe his true feelings have suddenly changed?

There are almost 34,000 NYPD officers in NYC. That’s almost 10,000 more than all of the law enforcement officers in Virginia. Ask yourself, if your boss said that about you, would you look for another job?

Recruiting by the NYPD is up so far in 2025, but it’s just keeping up with retirements. At 34,000 officers the NYPD is still understaffed by 5,000 officers. If a Mamdani Administration accelerates retirements and resignations, while depressing the recruiting rate, public safety will suffer and crime in NYC will rise rapidly.

What do you think NYC will look like at the end of 2026?

YK what? The city would be better served with cutting some of those positions and moving the money into staffing and supports for the unhoused and mentally ill. That would also cut crime over the long run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mamdani will be the mayor who finally has the guts to fully defund the NYPD and tear down Rikers Island, along with all the other vile prisons and jails.

Right on, comrade! Put the criminals on the streets, not behind bars! Two, four, six, eight, who do we appreciate? Felons! Felons! Felons!

They are just like you & me, except we haven’t set anybody on fire, pushed anybody onto railroad tracks, raped any old ladies, molested any kids, invaded anybody’s home, or carjacked an Uber. But other than stuff like that, we are the same.

Further, Mamdani is finally going to do something about mentally ill people wandering around committing crimes. NYC is going the be better than ever!

Is this /s? If not, then clearly you are really out of your depth posting here.

[Anonymous]

With an understaffed NYPD and a neophyte mayor, why wouldn’t a terrorist organization attack NYC? It would further destabilize America. The 25th anniversary of 9/11 is in 2026. Terrorists play the long game, the Islamic jihad is ongoing. You can’t social media your way out of a crisis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news

I’m a progressive that also knows a fair number of cops. I think it will move the needle on the margins. Unfortunately, I think it’s often the good cops who leave because they are the ones that care what people think about them and didn’t join the force to feel like an a-hole. The bad cops actually relish this stuff because they joined not to serve their community but because they wanted a badge and a gun and they enjoy playing the axxhole. I think the only real answer is culture shift within the department where the good cops feel empowered to speak out about the bad ones. In my experience, the good cops HATE working with the bad ones — both because they are jerks but also because they know that those are the guys most likely to create a situation where they end up on trial. But with staffing and recruiting so low, it’s increasingly hard to weed out the bad apples. I’ve had a number of cops tell me that the new recruits coming in are much worse than they were 15-20 years ago but they can’t bounce them all in training — they’d end up with no one.
It’s also my experience that the good cops are nervous when they feel they don’t have administration support because they are all worried about a DA wanting to make a name for themselves going after cops. If you recall the Baltimore indictments relating to the guy who died after he wasn’t belted into the van—some cops told me that it’s common not to belt arrested people who are belligerent because if you lean over them to belt them in, they are likely to either headbutt you or bite you in the face or neck. They really are in a tough position dealing with some of the very violent and crazy or strung out people. I have heard from some cops that they’ve been pleasantly surprised by some of the civilian review boards because once actual citizens hear the facts, they are often sympathetic — unlike some DAs that are just looking to make a name.
Anyway I think this stuff is all tremendously complicated and the polarization and demonization of both sides really doesn’t serve the interests of the community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news

Time will tell. I think NYC will be worse off next Thanksgiving than it is today. Governor Hochul runs NY and much of Mamdani’s agenda depends on her approval.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news

I’m a progressive that also knows a fair number of cops. I think it will move the needle on the margins. Unfortunately, I think it’s often the good cops who leave because they are the ones that care what people think about them and didn’t join the force to feel like an a-hole. The bad cops actually relish this stuff because they joined not to serve their community but because they wanted a badge and a gun and they enjoy playing the axxhole. I think the only real answer is culture shift within the department where the good cops feel empowered to speak out about the bad ones. In my experience, the good cops HATE working with the bad ones — both because they are jerks but also because they know that those are the guys most likely to create a situation where they end up on trial. But with staffing and recruiting so low, it’s increasingly hard to weed out the bad apples. I’ve had a number of cops tell me that the new recruits coming in are much worse than they were 15-20 years ago but they can’t bounce them all in training — they’d end up with no one.
It’s also my experience that the good cops are nervous when they feel they don’t have administration support because they are all worried about a DA wanting to make a name for themselves going after cops. If you recall the Baltimore indictments relating to the guy who died after he wasn’t belted into the van—some cops told me that it’s common not to belt arrested people who are belligerent because if you lean over them to belt them in, they are likely to either headbutt you or bite you in the face or neck. They really are in a tough position dealing with some of the very violent and crazy or strung out people. I have heard from some cops that they’ve been pleasantly surprised by some of the civilian review boards because once actual citizens hear the facts, they are often sympathetic — unlike some DAs that are just looking to make a name.
Anyway I think this stuff is all tremendously complicated and the polarization and demonization of both sides really doesn’t serve the interests of the community.

I know plenty of cops too, and I see no reason that Mamdani will make any difference whatsoever to them and their employment decisions. The dept has recruiting issues that have nothing to do with any mayor, and anyone claiming he is going to tank recruiting is trying to use him as yet another scare tactic. It’s just on and on with these scare tactics in an effort to undermine ZM bc the ruling class is terrified of not being in control of our politicians. It’s sickening.

Also he’s keeping Tisch. And she has become well respected.

If any recent politician did the most to sully the NYPDs name, it was Adams.