Percentage of BIPOCs at your child’s top pick

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Anonymous wrote:So what are we to infer from this thread? Many whites do not value diversity? You just tolerate non-white people? And that you'd be equally as happy to be at an all white institution. I find this utterly depressing.

Also you keep asking if we are in more "woke" times, but for many of us, this is our current reality. I don't want to send my kid to a school that only has 3% of other kids that look like him. That sounds horrible.

It means that people value other things more than just what their classmates look like. We all have our own priorities.

But that is not it. Lots of people on this thread saying people who value being in a diverse environment are “woke” or crazy. It’s not just that some people don’t care, they actively denigrate those who may consider diversity at all.

No, I am denigrating people who can’t write a post about diversity without being righteous. Just because one values diversity one is not better than wide swaths of the country that are less diverse.

If you don’t believe diversity is important and your kid does not, why does it matter to you that others find it valuable? Is there any way that someone can express that opinion (on an anonymous message board, natch) that doesn’t strike you as performative?

A different example - I have found generally vegetarians to be annoying. Mostly because I agree with them on the morality of industrial meat production that I support through my purchases. Obviously if a friend is vegetarian, I am not at all annoyed if she chooses a vegetarian meal when we go out to dinner together. However, if someone starts talking about slaughterhouses or even why vegetarianism is healthier for her, I recognize myself wanting to change the subject. It’s because I think I should perhaps try eating less meat but really there are reasons why I don’t want to. I think it’s the same with this whole topic. People tend to think there is value in diversity as a whole but get annoyed when having to confront for themselves how low they prioritize it. It’s why they feel others are “lecturing” them. If you truly thought it was crazy talk, you wouldn’t care.

I don’t have an issue with diversity, just people who are pompous. If you can’t express yourself without sounding like someone with a superiority complex, you need to work on you.

The pomposity immediately came on this thread from people ridiculing kids and parents who value it.

Nope, from the get go we got my kids don’t want to mix with white kids from non diverse parts of the country and highly selective schools that I don’t think are diverse enough for my kid (Wake and Davidson) are their safeties. I guess folks here are pompous and insulting all the time so they don’t have self awareness of how they come off.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are we to infer from this thread? Many whites do not value diversity? You just tolerate non-white people? And that you'd be equally as happy to be at an all white institution. I find this utterly depressing.

Also you keep asking if we are in more "woke" times, but for many of us, this is our current reality. I don't want to send my kid to a school that only has 3% of other kids that look like him. That sounds horrible.

It means that people value other things more than just what their classmates look like. We all have our own priorities.

But that is not it. Lots of people on this thread saying people who value being in a diverse environment are “woke” or crazy. It’s not just that some people don’t care, they actively denigrate those who may consider diversity at all.

No, I am denigrating people who can’t write a post about diversity without being righteous. Just because one values diversity one is not better than wide swaths of the country that are less diverse.

If you don’t believe diversity is important and your kid does not, why does it matter to you that others find it valuable? Is there any way that someone can express that opinion (on an anonymous message board, natch) that doesn’t strike you as performative?

A different example - I have found generally vegetarians to be annoying. Mostly because I agree with them on the morality of industrial meat production that I support through my purchases. Obviously if a friend is vegetarian, I am not at all annoyed if she chooses a vegetarian meal when we go out to dinner together. However, if someone starts talking about slaughterhouses or even why vegetarianism is healthier for her, I recognize myself wanting to change the subject. It’s because I think I should perhaps try eating less meat but really there are reasons why I don’t want to. I think it’s the same with this whole topic. People tend to think there is value in diversity as a whole but get annoyed when having to confront for themselves how low they prioritize it. It’s why they feel others are “lecturing” them. If you truly thought it was crazy talk, you wouldn’t care.

I don’t have an issue with diversity, just people who are pompous. If you can’t express yourself without sounding like someone with a superiority complex, you need to work on you.

The pomposity immediately came on this thread from people ridiculing kids and parents who value it.

Nope, from the get go we got my kids don’t want to mix with white kids from non diverse parts of the country and highly selective schools that I don’t think are diverse enough for my kid (Wake and Davidson) are their safeties. I guess folks here are pompous and insulting all the time so they don’t have self awareness of how they come off.

Don't leave out Washington and Lee ~~~

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Anonymous wrote:America is about the only place in the world where diversity in college is a consideration. The overwhelming majority of the top academic institutions in other countries are racially homogenous and yet they are still able to learn despite the lack of classmates with different colored skin. it's astounding.

Well, you still have Washington and Lee.

W&L is at least 5% black whereas Notre Dame is only 3.6% black.

Notre Dame is a Catholic school, which I am sure you realize and just want to be a jackass. Not a lot of black Catholics.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter didn't think about diversity when finalizing her list but started to consider it late in the process. Which was kind of funny to me because all she really wanted when picking a school was a small rural college with a great environmental science program. Small/rural generally does not = racially diverse!

So, she was a bit apprehensive when she started there. She went to a very diverse HS, so a predominantly white school (she's white) seemed weird to her. However, I think in terms of life experience, she's actually experiencing a new kind of diversity that she needed to experience -- while the school does tend to lean left as most colleges do, there are also conservatives, even some Trump supporters. Much greater income diversity than she's known. Classmates in her environmental program include a lot of hunters who feel strongly about gun ownership. So, she's learning a lot of different perspectives and how to work with people with different views. She didn't really need to get experience with racial diversity - that's all she's ever known.

Thanks for sharing your perspective, it's exactly what I've been wondering about. I am the parent whose son is considering rural Ohio U and UNH, he loves the outdoors, and they both have Outdooor Studies minors. He's half White, half Puerto Rican (looks very hispanic) and only lived in diverse areas. Most of our family is racially mixed, all his cousins are half white/black or black/Hispanic, white/Asian, etc. So he's never really been part of an all white community, he's not sure if he will feel comfortable, but there may be some benefits too. Appreciate you sharing the other types of diversity.

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Not of any value too our family!

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

NP: This is correct. The term originated in academia and politics (activism); BIPOC is basically anyone not white. Different than URM.

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maga trying hard to divide Indian and URM.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

The central defining characteristic of being BIPOC is having experienced racism and oppression (particularly economic oppression) at the hands of whites and white culture. Indians have long had higher HHI and a far greater rate of college attainment than whites, proportionally. The same is true for other Asian peoples. Thus, by definition, Indians, Indian-Americans, and Asian peoples are not BIPOC.

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Didn't even check!! No idea!!

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

The central defining characteristic of being BIPOC is having experienced racism and oppression (particularly economic oppression) at the hands of whites and white culture. Indians have long had higher HHI and a far greater rate of college attainment than whites, proportionally. The same is true for other Asian peoples. Thus, by definition, Indians, Indian-Americans, and Asian peoples are not BIPOC.

This is false, maga!

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

The central defining characteristic of being BIPOC is having experienced racism and oppression (particularly economic oppression) at the hands of whites and white culture. Indians have long had higher HHI and a far greater rate of college attainment than whites, proportionally. The same is true for other Asian peoples. Thus, by definition, Indians, Indian-Americans, and Asian peoples are not BIPOC.

Imperialism and colonialism?? Again, you do not understand the historical origin and use of the term, which is also linked European use of POC. What you are describing is URM within the context of the US. You can easily research this. In academia, Indians and Asians are included as BIPOC and POC, within that group you have URMs, which is tied to college attainment/SES.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are we to infer from this thread? Many whites do not value diversity? You just tolerate non-white people? And that you'd be equally as happy to be at an all white institution. I find this utterly depressing.

Also you keep asking if we are in more "woke" times, but for many of us, this is our current reality. I don't want to send my kid to a school that only has 3% of other kids that look like him. That sounds horrible.

It means that people value other things more than just what their classmates look like. We all have our own priorities.

But that is not it. Lots of people on this thread saying people who value being in a diverse environment are “woke” or crazy. It’s not just that some people don’t care, they actively denigrate those who may consider diversity at all.

No, I am denigrating people who can’t write a post about diversity without being righteous. Just because one values diversity one is not better than wide swaths of the country that are less diverse.

If you don’t believe diversity is important and your kid does not, why does it matter to you that others find it valuable? Is there any way that someone can express that opinion (on an anonymous message board, natch) that doesn’t strike you as performative?

A different example - I have found generally vegetarians to be annoying. Mostly because I agree with them on the morality of industrial meat production that I support through my purchases. Obviously if a friend is vegetarian, I am not at all annoyed if she chooses a vegetarian meal when we go out to dinner together. However, if someone starts talking about slaughterhouses or even why vegetarianism is healthier for her, I recognize myself wanting to change the subject. It’s because I think I should perhaps try eating less meat but really there are reasons why I don’t want to. I think it’s the same with this whole topic. People tend to think there is value in diversity as a whole but get annoyed when having to confront for themselves how low they prioritize it. It’s why they feel others are “lecturing” them. If you truly thought it was crazy talk, you wouldn’t care.

I don’t have an issue with diversity, just people who are pompous. If you can’t express yourself without sounding like someone with a superiority complex, you need to work on you.

The pomposity immediately came on this thread from people ridiculing kids and parents who value it.

Nope, from the get go we got my kids don’t want to mix with white kids from non diverse parts of the country and highly selective schools that I don’t think are diverse enough for my kid (Wake and Davidson) are their safeties. I guess folks here are pompous and insulting all the time so they don’t have self awareness of how they come off.

People can start on page 1 and draw their own conclusions.

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares.

On the contrary, a lot of people care. Perhaps too much.