14th and R Street masked gun men attack and disappear delivery guy for political reasons

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Ah, but that’s not really the issue. It’s more the fat deputized morons that show up in plateless private vehicles.

Of course, it also hurts the real cops and their relationships ships with the public. No one trust them. So sites like this pop up.

https://icelist.is/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse.

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies. I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees. I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this. They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags. My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing. Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse.

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies. I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees. I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this. They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags. My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing. Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.

Yes, and all of this is making life much more dangerous for actual officers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse.

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies. I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees. I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this. They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags. My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing. Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.

Yes, and all of this is making life much more dangerous for actual officers.

PP here. Yes, I agree. As a LE spouse, I'm concerned, although I'm lucky my DH is with an agency that has a lot of goodwill with the public.

I do think it is important to be as informed as possible and distinguish between things that are standard (no name tag) and things that are truly alarming (no agency insignia).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can't the public intervene? They are unmarked, badgeless strangers. We should all intervene.

Everyone knows they are enforcing immigration law. The illegal immigrants know. It’s why they run. It’s why they comply when caught. People actually being kidnapped fight for their lives. They scream for help. Posters here know they are feds, they simply don’t like it so they type hyperbolic crap.

How? How do you know they are not impersonating Trump's brownshirts? Any group of mostly-white males could dress similarly and kidnap whoever they want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can't the public intervene? They are unmarked, badgeless strangers. We should all intervene.

Everyone knows they are enforcing immigration law. The illegal immigrants know. It’s why they run. It’s why they comply when caught. People actually being kidnapped fight for their lives. They scream for help. Posters here know they are feds, they simply don’t like it so they type hyperbolic crap.

How? How do you know they are not impersonating Trump's brownshirts? Any group of mostly-white males could dress similarly and kidnap whoever they want.

Exactly. You know those guys were random proud boys. There is a deliberate effort to blur the lines so that these domestic terrorists can do what they want without fear. If the public knew who was who they’d be beating these clowns and leaving them to bleed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse.

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies. I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees. I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this. They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags. My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing. Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.

How do you know they are BOP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse.

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies. I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees. I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this. They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags. My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing. Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.

Yes, and all of this is making life much more dangerous for actual officers.

PP here. Yes, I agree. As a LE spouse, I'm concerned, although I'm lucky my DH is with an agency that has a lot of goodwill with the public.

I do think it is important to be as informed as possible and distinguish between things that are standard (no name tag) and things that are truly alarming (no agency insignia).

Why wouldn't BOP be required to identify their agency? Also they have no jurisdiction in DC and I can't think of any conceivable reason why they would be "arresting" a delivery guy on a bike on 14th. Is the allegation that guy escaped from a prison? Even then it doesn't make sense.

I have also personally seen independent militia in DC in the last few days. I know they were militia because I looked up the insignia on one of their shirts (designed to look like military to people who don't know better, though DC residents are better than most at telling the difference because we are exposed to various military divisions and federal law enforcement more than most people). These men were "patrolling" a neighborhood. They aren't military, they aren't feds. They are just fascist but jobs who own a lot of tactical gear purchased online. So that's also happening, which is why many seeing this video are skeptical that these men are feds at all. None of the gear they have would be hard to acquire as a civilian, and their behavior and language doesn't evidence that they are LEO conducting valid business in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have also personally seen independent militia in DC in the last few days. I know they were militia because I looked up the insignia on one of their shirts (designed to look like military to people who don't know better, though DC residents are better than most at telling the difference because we are exposed to various military divisions and federal law enforcement more than most people). These men were "patrolling" a neighborhood. They aren't military, they aren't feds. They are just fascist but jobs who own a lot of tactical gear purchased online. So that's also happening, which is why many seeing this video are skeptical that these men are feds at all. None of the gear they have would be hard to acquire as a civilian, and their behavior and language doesn't evidence that they are LEO conducting valid business in DC.

If this were true there would be credible reporting on it.

[Anonymous]

Is this being covered in actual cable news?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse.

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies. I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees. I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this. They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags. My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing. Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.

How do you know they are BOP?

A few reasons:

*BOP officers have been deployed in DC in extraordinary circumstances before, like during the 2020 protests. When they were deployed in 2020, they had police gear but had no agency insignia and refused to identify what agency they were with. For obvious reasons, unlike officers who patrol on the street, BOP officers don't really need agency insignia during their usual jobs.

*The way they're subduing that guy looks, to my eye, to be suggestive of someone with law enforcement training but who doesn't routinely make arrests. The way they're subduing him looks like something a CO would do, not a regular LEO. It is overly aggressive and it looks more like a fistfight than a tactical takedown.

*They're out of dress code for FBI/USMS. I'm also 99% sure they're out of dress code for DEA/ATF, but I'm admittedly less knowledgable about that.

*I'm pretty sure they're police. The plate carriers they're wearing are identical. I can't tell from this distance, but they look exactly like the Tyr Tactical carriers that almost all federal LEOs get, and which are not available for civilian purchase. They also have identical Tasers. And while non-LEOs certainly can buy a Taser, I think it is more likely that the 5/6 guys in identical vests and with identical tasers are some kind of law enforcement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse.

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies. I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees. I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this. They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags. My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing. Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.

Yes, and all of this is making life much more dangerous for actual officers.

PP here. Yes, I agree. As a LE spouse, I'm concerned, although I'm lucky my DH is with an agency that has a lot of goodwill with the public.

I do think it is important to be as informed as possible and distinguish between things that are standard (no name tag) and things that are truly alarming (no agency insignia).

Why wouldn't BOP be required to identify their agency? Also they have no jurisdiction in DC and I can't think of any conceivable reason why they would be "arresting" a delivery guy on a bike on 14th. Is the allegation that guy escaped from a prison? Even then it doesn't make sense.

I have also personally seen independent militia in DC in the last few days. I know they were militia because I looked up the insignia on one of their shirts (designed to look like military to people who don't know better, though DC residents are better than most at telling the difference because we are exposed to various military divisions and federal law enforcement more than most people). These men were "patrolling" a neighborhood. They aren't military, they aren't feds. They are just fascist but jobs who own a lot of tactical gear purchased online. So that's also happening, which is why many seeing this video are skeptical that these men are feds at all. None of the gear they have would be hard to acquire as a civilian, and their behavior and language doesn't evidence that they are LEO conducting valid business in DC.

BOP doesn't give their employees agency insignia because well...they work in prisons. When they're operating in the normal scope of their job, there's no real question who they are. It's not like there are multiple LE agencies operating inside prisons.

To be clear, I'm not defending it. Just explaining why I think that's who they are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse.

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies. I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees. I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this. They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags. My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing. Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.

How do you know they are BOP?

A few reasons:

*BOP officers have been deployed in DC in extraordinary circumstances before, like during the 2020 protests. When they were deployed in 2020, they had police gear but had no agency insignia and refused to identify what agency they were with. For obvious reasons, unlike officers who patrol on the street, BOP officers don't really need agency insignia during their usual jobs.

*The way they're subduing that guy looks, to my eye, to be suggestive of someone with law enforcement training but who doesn't routinely make arrests. The way they're subduing him looks like something a CO would do, not a regular LEO. It is overly aggressive and it looks more like a fistfight than a tactical takedown.

*They're out of dress code for FBI/USMS. I'm also 99% sure they're out of dress code for DEA/ATF, but I'm admittedly less knowledgable about that.

*I'm pretty sure they're police. The plate carriers they're wearing are identical. I can't tell from this distance, but they look exactly like the Tyr Tactical carriers that almost all federal LEOs get, and which are not available for civilian purchase. They also have identical Tasers. And while non-LEOs certainly can buy a Taser, I think it is more likely that the 5/6 guys in identical vests and with identical tasers are some kind of law enforcement.

So you are just making wild speculation. There are many agencies that are refusing to wear insignia and wearing plain clothes, particularly ICE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse.

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies. I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees. I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this. They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags. My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing. Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.

How do you know they are BOP?

A few reasons:

*BOP officers have been deployed in DC in extraordinary circumstances before, like during the 2020 protests. When they were deployed in 2020, they had police gear but had no agency insignia and refused to identify what agency they were with. For obvious reasons, unlike officers who patrol on the street, BOP officers don't really need agency insignia during their usual jobs.

*The way they're subduing that guy looks, to my eye, to be suggestive of someone with law enforcement training but who doesn't routinely make arrests. The way they're subduing him looks like something a CO would do, not a regular LEO. It is overly aggressive and it looks more like a fistfight than a tactical takedown.

*They're out of dress code for FBI/USMS. I'm also 99% sure they're out of dress code for DEA/ATF, but I'm admittedly less knowledgable about that.

*I'm pretty sure they're police. The plate carriers they're wearing are identical. I can't tell from this distance, but they look exactly like the Tyr Tactical carriers that almost all federal LEOs get, and which are not available for civilian purchase. They also have identical Tasers. And while non-LEOs certainly can buy a Taser, I think it is more likely that the 5/6 guys in identical vests and with identical tasers are some kind of law enforcement.

So you are just making wild speculation. There are many agencies that are refusing to wear insignia and wearing plain clothes, particularly ICE.

Can you show me another example of police not wearing agency insignia?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant. If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above. USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches. That's much more common for state and local police. The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse.

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies. I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees. I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this. They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags. My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing. Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.

How do you know they are BOP?

A few reasons:

*BOP officers have been deployed in DC in extraordinary circumstances before, like during the 2020 protests. When they were deployed in 2020, they had police gear but had no agency insignia and refused to identify what agency they were with. For obvious reasons, unlike officers who patrol on the street, BOP officers don't really need agency insignia during their usual jobs.

*The way they're subduing that guy looks, to my eye, to be suggestive of someone with law enforcement training but who doesn't routinely make arrests. The way they're subduing him looks like something a CO would do, not a regular LEO. It is overly aggressive and it looks more like a fistfight than a tactical takedown.

*They're out of dress code for FBI/USMS. I'm also 99% sure they're out of dress code for DEA/ATF, but I'm admittedly less knowledgable about that.

*I'm pretty sure they're police. The plate carriers they're wearing are identical. I can't tell from this distance, but they look exactly like the Tyr Tactical carriers that almost all federal LEOs get, and which are not available for civilian purchase. They also have identical Tasers. And while non-LEOs certainly can buy a Taser, I think it is more likely that the 5/6 guys in identical vests and with identical tasers are some kind of law enforcement.

So you are just making wild speculation. There are many agencies that are refusing to wear insignia and wearing plain clothes, particularly ICE.

DP: Sounds like a well-informed theory, nothing wild about it.