Why is the media not covering ICE resistance in LA?

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The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Native born Americans are not up to working in the fields and slaughterhouses, no matter how much you pay. And the more you pay the workers, the higher food prices are, so catch-22. Yes, in Adam Smith's world, the conservative view you express is accurate, but that isn't reality in the USA in 2025.

Okay, sure, but then you need to be very honest about what you and the anti-ICE protesters are actually protesting for. You need to open about how you are protesting for and on behalf of BigAg. Otherwise, you are just a liar and a hypocrite.

Let us be clear: You are protesting to keep poor, vulnerable immigrants working in 110 degree heat for twelve hour days. You are protesting for child labor in slaughterhouses. You are protesting for working conditions that would horrify Upton Sinclair.

This is what you and the other anti-ICE protestors want. And that’s why there isn’t a lot of support for the protesters: because this is repulsive.

Why are you targeting migrants when they didn’t cause this problem? What about the businesses? What about consumers? What about state and local governments?

Let’s face it, you only care about migrants working in the sun because you’re racist and/or it fits your narrative.

Otherwise you would be voting for leaders who actually wanted to address these issues and solve problems. Has Trump said anything about raising wages for white farm workers? Has he said anything other than deporting people? We have a 4% unemployment rate…where are are these magical US workers?

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Anonymous wrote:Overstaying a lawfully issued visa is a mere technical violation.

No rational person can equate that to someone whose very first step onto American soil is a knowing, intentional, disrespectful violation of our country’s laws.

They are both intentional. Musk should have been deported in the 1990's. Melania should have been deported in 2002. For some reason, they weren't. Gee, what is the common thread?

And no, the SCOTUS has affirmed that simply being in the country illegally is not in and of itself, a crime. So you can GTFO with that.

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

[Anonymous]

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The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Blame Walmart. They forced artificially low prices and had small towns cannibalize each other.

Also, they are the equivalent of white man’s field work. Low wages, underemployment to avoid benefits. Yet, MAGA doesn’t ballyhoo over Walmart employees using federal and state assistance, like they do immigrants.

Maybe people should think about that. Why is okay to subsidize Walmart’s employees, but not farmers’ employees?

They all pay minimal amount of SS, but only one group will see it. They both disproportionately use benefits.

Oh my God. You have obviously never worked in a Walmart. Those working conditions are not remotely close to what field and slaughterhouse workers suffer through, and it is incredibly out-of-touch for you to even make that comparison. Let them eat cake, DCUM version #10359491748.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hope anyone interfering with federal officers ends up arrested and charged with a crime.

+1

I support federal ICE workers.

If they are actual ICE....but who knows who is who right now.

As I’ve said before: there is a secret Russian plot to take over America. I’m not sure how Putin is doing it, but it’s obvious he’s controlling Trump somehow.

These masked ICE storm troopers could be from anywhere!

Russia, Russia, Russia. And I thought you guys loved masks and insisted that everyone wear one, to do their part.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Native born Americans are not up to working in the fields and slaughterhouses, no matter how much you pay. And the more you pay the workers, the higher food prices are, so catch-22. Yes, in Adam Smith's world, the conservative view you express is accurate, but that isn't reality in the USA in 2025.

Okay, sure, but then you need to be very honest about what you and the anti-ICE protesters are actually protesting for. You need to open about how you are protesting for and on behalf of BigAg. Otherwise, you are just a liar and a hypocrite.

Let us be clear: You are protesting to keep poor, vulnerable immigrants working in 110 degree heat for twelve hour days. You are protesting for child labor in slaughterhouses. You are protesting for working conditions that would horrify Upton Sinclair.

This is what you and the other anti-ICE protestors want. And that’s why there isn’t a lot of support for the protesters: because this is repulsive.

I do appreciate this angle, where MAGAs pretend to be humans that care about other humans. It’s preposterous, of course, but the effort gets you a gold star. It’s like when you pretend to be offended by an insult or threat, when that’s all that maga is based on.

I’m a moderate Democrat. Hope you enjoy your protest work on behalf of human rights abusers. That’s what you are doing, and makes you a human rights abuser too. You people are disgusting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Let's not "both sides" this. The democrats have supported workers rights and unionization....remember Ceasar Chavez and how he was crucified by republicans?

It is of course both sides. And the issue for Democrats is that Democratic voters, particularly the UMC voters that post here, love their quasi-slave labor agriculture.

Also, Cesar Chavez’s activism occurred before I was born and I have a kid in college now. If you have to go back to Cesar Chavez to mount such a weak partisan defense, you should know you’ve lost.

“Guys, we are sending masked unidentified Gestapo to kidnap people to HELP them. We are separating them from their families and sending them to foreign gulags FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! You guy just love strawberries so much that you won’t even support illegal abductions!!!”

I mean, it is extremely clear that you favor cheap agriculture over all else. Don’t get mad because people see the truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how everyone loved Antifa in 1944 when we stormed the beaches. Now maga would be planting trees so that the Nazis could march in the shade.

lol, your understanding of history is so atrocious.

DP, not they are not wrong. What Trump and Miller represent is obvious. Look at the footage of Trump with the German president this week where he literally extolled sorrow for the fall of Hitler.

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Why doesn't ICE go after the employers? If there are no jobs for these people they will not come here. Wouldn't that be easier?

Are these people making minimum wage? I would imagine that they are, but minimum wage is way too low and means nothing anymore. Whose fault is it that the minimum wage has not been increased?

Because neither Democrats nor Republicans would support this.

DCUM itself would erupt in rage to lose their cheap childcare, food delivery, gardeners, and maintenance men.

We had some work done last year in the house. The owner volunteered(we had not asked) that he only hires legal residents to work for him. This was a big plus to us.

The workers were very good, but it turns out that the one who worked the hardest was employed by one of the employees--and not by the owner of the company. I did not realize how it worked until the end of the project. I assume that the worker was not here legally. But, there are lots of ways around these rules, apparently.

Just because someone (a worker) is Latino, doesn't mean they are here illegally. What makes you think that the person in question working on your house is here illegally?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hope anyone interfering with federal officers ends up arrested and charged with a crime.

+1

I support federal ICE workers.

If they are actual ICE....but who knows who is who right now.

As I’ve said before: there is a secret Russian plot to take over America. I’m not sure how Putin is doing it, but it’s obvious he’s controlling Trump somehow.

These masked ICE storm troopers could be from anywhere!

Russia, Russia, Russia. And I thought you guys loved masks and insisted that everyone wear one, to do their part.

Trump is peanlizing Columbia and Harvard for not forcing masks off of students. But now, you are taking the opposite tact. Which is it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Let's not "both sides" this. The democrats have supported workers rights and unionization....remember Ceasar Chavez and how he was crucified by republicans?

It is of course both sides. And the issue for Democrats is that Democratic voters, particularly the UMC voters that post here, love their quasi-slave labor agriculture.

Also, Cesar Chavez’s activism occurred before I was born and I have a kid in college now. If you have to go back to Cesar Chavez to mount such a weak partisan defense, you should know you’ve lost.

“Guys, we are sending masked unidentified Gestapo to kidnap people to HELP them. We are separating them from their families and sending them to foreign gulags FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! You guy just love strawberries so much that you won’t even support illegal abductions!!!”

I mean, it is extremely clear that you favor cheap agriculture over all else. Don’t get mad because people see the truth.

How about, let's improve working conditions and wages and also not have our government act as gestapos?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hope anyone interfering with federal officers ends up arrested and charged with a crime.

+1

I support federal ICE workers.

You might as well say you support the gestapo. Shame on both of you! I’d focus on finding my morality this year, if I were either of you. These aren’t traditional law enforcement and you know it.

And these aren’t traditional immigrants and you know it.

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Anonymous wrote:Ice should be spending its time and energy in the states that voted for Mass deportations. Red State voters want action in their own States close to their own homes. I don't think they're paying taxes to have their own states ignored.

Red stater here and I agree. I think that we should let NYC and LA deal with the situation they created and then clean house in places like Atlanta, Dallas, New Orleans, Nashville, etc.

Problem is that the migrants don’t stay in the blue states.

They will be deterred from entering if they know they will be arrested here. In CA, they can steal and assault people without consequence, AND will be given free room, board, healthcare and a phone. Why would they bother coming to a red state?

Go home ice. Go back to your red States. The blue states don't need you or want you. You have dozens and dozens of red states that want you so go respond to the voters and go red. This is not difficult to understand.

A rare moment of bipartisan agreement. I've seen no arrests or ICE activity whatsoever in the southeast. It sounds like in California, they need to arrest all the illegals and then also arrest the antigovernment domestic terrorists kidnapping federal workers.

California clearly did not vote for this, need this or want this. Hit up the Southeast. I agree

California is turning red in 2028. No doubt about it.

In the sense that the electoral bloodbath for the GOP that is coming will wash over the entire country, sure I guess.

Agree. The GOP will pay the price in 2026 & 2028 for their second Trump term mistake just as the Dems paid the price in 2024 for their Biden mistake... and let's be honest, the Trump mistake is a bigger mistake than the Biden mistake.

Trump is going to go on Mt Rushmore and Biden is going down as the worst president of the 21st century.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Blame Walmart. They forced artificially low prices and had small towns cannibalize each other.

Also, they are the equivalent of white man’s field work. Low wages, underemployment to avoid benefits. Yet, MAGA doesn’t ballyhoo over Walmart employees using federal and state assistance, like they do immigrants.

Maybe people should think about that. Why is okay to subsidize Walmart’s employees, but not farmers’ employees?

They all pay minimal amount of SS, but only one group will see it. They both disproportionately use benefits.

Oh my God. You have obviously never worked in a Walmart. Those working conditions are not remotely close to what field and slaughterhouse workers suffer through, and it is incredibly out-of-touch for you to even make that comparison. Let them eat cake, DCUM version #10359491748.

My dad worked there. He lasted 4 days, after a career as a fed. You must not be aware that Walmart has warehouse and dock workers and there have been repeated complaints of human rights violations, even by shareholders.

You can’t answer the question though. How convenient. I’ll just wait for you to say you’ve never eaten a strawberry.

https://foodchainworkers.org/walmart-workers-speak-out/

https://politicsofpoverty.oxfamamerica.org/walmart-investors-signal-their-concerns/

https://www.nelp.org/insights-research/chain-greed-walmarts-domestic-outsourcing-harms-workplace-rights-warehouse-workers/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hope anyone interfering with federal officers ends up arrested and charged with a crime.

+1

I support federal ICE workers.

You might as well say you support the gestapo. Shame on both of you! I’d focus on finding my morality this year, if I were either of you. These aren’t traditional law enforcement and you know it.

And these aren’t traditional immigrants and you know it.

You don’t think your kids would have gotten along with the HS volleyball player?