FCPS High School prestige ranking

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Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

There’s no point to controlling for the things that detract from a school’s “prestige.” You might as well just say the entire thread is pointless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

There’s no point to controlling for the things that detract from a school’s “prestige.” You might as well just say the entire thread is pointless.

If we’re really just talking about “prestige,” then sure. The problem is that people are pretty clearly conflating prestige with quality, which are not necessarily the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

There’s no point to controlling for the things that detract from a school’s “prestige.” You might as well just say the entire thread is pointless.

If we’re really just talking about “prestige,” then sure. The problem is that people are pretty clearly conflating prestige with quality, which are not necessarily the same.

I think you're playing in the wrong sandbox. You don't like how prestige is assessed, but no one is going to say a school is prestigious because some kid who arrived here barely literate in his native language progressed from second-grade level to fifth-grade level by the end of his junior year in high school, even if it took herculean efforts by dedicated teachers to make even that happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

Test scores are designed to be on a bell curve so it may be more appropriate to use average (1161.08) and standard deviation (109.3) for grouping. A better grouping based on such would be:

Above average beyond 2 standard deviations:
TJ 1518

Above average within 2 standard deviations:
Langley 1302

Above average within 1 standard deviation:
McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210
Lake Braddock 1185

Center:
Westfield 1161 (average is 1161.08)

Below average within 1 standard deviation:
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147
Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084

Below average within 2 standard deviations:
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026
Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

TJ really sets itself apart, the rest fit a typical normal bell curve.

Just pointing out that standard deviation for the individual student would be significantly different than the standard deviation for a couple thousand students at a school.

Standard deviation for average test scores at a school would be much tighter.

[Anonymous]

Lewis has the leadership program. That should make it higher.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

There’s no point to controlling for the things that detract from a school’s “prestige.” You might as well just say the entire thread is pointless.

If we’re really just talking about “prestige,” then sure. The problem is that people are pretty clearly conflating prestige with quality, which are not necessarily the same.

I think you're playing in the wrong sandbox. You don't like how prestige is assessed, but no one is going to say a school is prestigious because some kid who arrived here barely literate in his native language progressed from second-grade level to fifth-grade level by the end of his junior year in high school, even if it took herculean efforts by dedicated teachers to make even that happen.

Unless you’re talking about a magnet school like TJ, prestige is about zip codes and wealth. Period. Let’s stop pretending anything else matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

There’s no point to controlling for the things that detract from a school’s “prestige.” You might as well just say the entire thread is pointless.

If we’re really just talking about “prestige,” then sure. The problem is that people are pretty clearly conflating prestige with quality, which are not necessarily the same.

I think you're playing in the wrong sandbox. You don't like how prestige is assessed, but no one is going to say a school is prestigious because some kid who arrived here barely literate in his native language progressed from second-grade level to fifth-grade level by the end of his junior year in high school, even if it took herculean efforts by dedicated teachers to make even that happen.

Unless you’re talking about a magnet school like TJ, prestige is about zip codes and wealth. Period. Let’s stop pretending anything else matters.

I think you’re oblivious to the differences among schools that confer prestige on some but not others. As a result, you reduce everything to wealth, as if that explains everything. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

There’s no point to controlling for the things that detract from a school’s “prestige.” You might as well just say the entire thread is pointless.

If we’re really just talking about “prestige,” then sure. The problem is that people are pretty clearly conflating prestige with quality, which are not necessarily the same.

I think you're playing in the wrong sandbox. You don't like how prestige is assessed, but no one is going to say a school is prestigious because some kid who arrived here barely literate in his native language progressed from second-grade level to fifth-grade level by the end of his junior year in high school, even if it took herculean efforts by dedicated teachers to make even that happen.

Unless you’re talking about a magnet school like TJ, prestige is about zip codes and wealth. Period. Let’s stop pretending anything else matters.

I think you’re oblivious to the differences among schools that confer prestige on some but not others. As a result, you reduce everything to wealth, as if that explains everything. Sad.

Please tell me about a low-wealth school that DCUM would consider prestigious. I’ll wait.

[Anonymous]

This is one of the most DCUM threads ever. Some of you need to get a life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think has to do a lot more some people trying to avoid schools with high FARMS and URM rates. This, of course, happens all over the US, and not surprisingly, in many countries in the Americas and Europe.

Right. South Lakes is mostly affluent and white, but it has more low income students than Lake Braddock for example, so it is perceived to be inferior.

South lakes is inferior because of IB.

"Inferior" according to the DCUMers who have an irrational hatred of IB.

Not inferior according to the UVA and W&M admissions officers who love IB students.

I read a thread on Reddit once where professors ranked IB students as the most well prepared (compared to AP and DE students). It made me think of DCUM. I think the rabid IB hatred is actually mostly in FCPS forum and mostly the same 1-2 posters (who will *always* bring up IB and how FCPS should scrap it in threads not even related to IB). You go to the college forum and parents of IB students seem pretty content with IB.

Yes, reddit. The land of trolls and fake experts.

Lol.

I mean as opposed to DCUM??!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

There’s no point to controlling for the things that detract from a school’s “prestige.” You might as well just say the entire thread is pointless.

The entire thread is pointless?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

Informally, when you glance at the test scores of Chantilly and other schools in that tier of schools vs the list on the first page, Chantilly clearly outperforms.

But that's not the same as prestigious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

There’s no point to controlling for the things that detract from a school’s “prestige.” You might as well just say the entire thread is pointless.

If we’re really just talking about “prestige,” then sure. The problem is that people are pretty clearly conflating prestige with quality, which are not necessarily the same.

I think you're playing in the wrong sandbox. You don't like how prestige is assessed, but no one is going to say a school is prestigious because some kid who arrived here barely literate in his native language progressed from second-grade level to fifth-grade level by the end of his junior year in high school, even if it took herculean efforts by dedicated teachers to make even that happen.

Unless you’re talking about a magnet school like TJ, prestige is about zip codes and wealth. Period. Let’s stop pretending anything else matters.

I think you’re oblivious to the differences among schools that confer prestige on some but not others. As a result, you reduce everything to wealth, as if that explains everything. Sad.

Please tell me about a low-wealth school that DCUM would consider prestigious. I’ll wait.

South County is fairly wealthy but it’s not prestigious.

Chantilly and West Springfield are middle-income but somewhat prestigious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

There’s no point to controlling for the things that detract from a school’s “prestige.” You might as well just say the entire thread is pointless.

The entire thread is pointless?

Yes, because there is no agreed-upon way to measure prestige, and even if you could, it doesn't matter anyway.

Will anyone in the world ever be impressed that you graduated from Langley rather than Herndon? lol, no no no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latest College Board report - 2023-24 mean SAT scores:

TJ 1518

Langley 1302

McLean 1270
Chantilly 1239
Oakton 1236
Woodson 1229
Madison 1221
Marshall 1210

Lake Braddock 1185
Westfield 1161
Centreville 1159
South Lakes 1158
Robinson 1156
Fairfax 1150
West Springfield 1147

Herndon 1124
South County 1115
West Potomac 1103
Edison 1098
Justice 1088
Hayfield 1084
Falls Church 1041
Annandale 1026

Mount Vernon 1005
Lewis 1002

This grouping suggests six tiers. Review them and see if you agree.

To make this more meaningful, one should have additional datapoints to analyze.

For instance, schools like Annandale and Lewis have high rates of English learners compared to to schools like West Springfield. If this is comparing native speakers to those who've learned a second language, I'd be more impressed with the Lewis score.

Agreed. DCUM loves to compare SAT scores but this is a pretty meaningless metric unless you control for SES and % of ESL students.

There’s no point to controlling for the things that detract from a school’s “prestige.” You might as well just say the entire thread is pointless.

The entire thread is pointless?

Yes, because there is no agreed-upon way to measure prestige, and even if you could, it doesn't matter anyway.

Will anyone in the world ever be impressed that you graduated from Langley rather than Herndon? lol, no no no.

I dunno. People have spent a lot of time and money organizing to make sure their kids stay zoned to Langley rather than get moved to Herndon.