TJ entrance test answers were never for sale

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming these behaviors are affecting "fairness," why didn't the TJ test administrators just change the test questions every year? You can assess readiness for the rigor of TJ without repeating the questions each year.


Because creating a high-stakes test is an expensive, time-consuming process. You can’t just formulate some questions like a high school teacher does. It has to be validated.


Stuyvesant administers a test every year in late October/early November. If you don't like their SHSAT, you can use the PSAT. The lack of testing is not due to a lack of valid tests.

I suspect we will soon hear from the poster who thinks we should use the SOL results, which isn't a great aptitude test but it's better than an essay.
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

Offers made to "academically wealthy feeders" (schools with most advanced STEM students):
Carson Middle School - 48
Cooper Middle School - 25
Longfellow Middle School - 48
Rocky Run Middle School - 22

The term “academically wealthy feeders” is used by certain posters on this forum, with a tone of envy, to describe top-ranked middle schools that consistently produce a large number of hardworking, advanced STEM students, and FCPS proudly mentions them in the TJ offers news releases.


That happen to have lower FRE % than other middle schools.


The “Academically Wealthy Feeder” middle schools for the most part have more students in the AAP Program (students identified by FCPS as academically advanced).

These are the middle schools with 10 or more admits to TJ for the class of 2029 showing the percent of students at the school that are designated level IV AAP.

Cooper - 52% AAP Level IV (25 admits)
Kilmer - 51% AAP Level IV (13 admits)
Longfellow - 64% AAP Level IV (48 admits)
Rocky Run - 54% AAP Level IV (22 admits)
Frost - 45% AAP Level IV (19 admits)
Lake Braddock - 41% AAP Level IV (17 admits)
Katherine Johnson - 32% AAP Level IV (14 admits)
Carson - 32% AAP Level IV (48 admits)**

**Carson - has a lower percent of Level IV AAP students, but has 709 8th graders this year (the 2nd largest 8th grade class in the county) & typically has the largest number of students applying to TJ. Carson would have more AAP 8th graders than Cooper/Rocky Run based on 8th grade class size.

It makes sense that schools with the highest number of Advanced Academic students would have the most acceptances. It also makes sense that schools with the more students applying would have more acceptances.

Schools with the lowest percent of students in Level IV AAP:

Poe - 9%
Whitman - 13%
Liberty - 20%
Hayfield - 21%
Key - 22%
Stone - 25%
Holmes - 26%

Schools that were allocated 10 students as part of the 1.5%, but had less than 10 students accepted:
Robinson
Sandburg
Irving

This means that these schools didn’t have at least 10 students that applied to TJ with the minimum qualifications to be accepted (Algebra I Honors by 8th grade and a 3.5 overall GPA).

The other 15 FCPS middle schools with less than 10 students admitted also likely had only a small number of qualified students applying to TJ.

People can keep complaining about “Wealthy Feeder Middle Schools” always having so many students accepted, but the true reason that these schools have so many students accepted even without the so called “test cheating” is because these schools have MORE STUDENTS APPLYING. The schools have more students eligible to apply & actually applying, that is why more students are accepted.

TJ admissions committee, even with all of the changes to admissions based on “equity” can’t admit 48 students to the other schools because they don’t have enough students applying!!!!!!!!



Which is why we look at the acceptance RATE, not just the absolute numbers.

For the class of 2024:


The wealthier the school, the higher the chance of getting into the pool and ultimately being accepted.
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Anonymous wrote:Assuming these behaviors are affecting "fairness," why didn't the TJ test administrators just change the test questions every year? You can assess readiness for the rigor of TJ without repeating the questions each year.


Because creating a high-stakes test is an expensive, time-consuming process. You can’t just formulate some questions like a high school teacher does. It has to be validated.


Stuyvesant administers a test every year in late October/early November. If you don't like their SHSAT, you can use the PSAT. The lack of testing is not due to a lack of valid tests.

I suspect we will soon hear from the poster who thinks we should use the SOL results, which isn't a great aptitude test but it's better than an essay.


That would be the fairest option.
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Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.


Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.


I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.


Trump won, that's what matters and people like you handed him the voters he needed.

The change to the admissions process was primarily about race. Every hearing, every board meeting, every report are primarily focused on racial diversity.


Again, you should sue.. you will get what you want and bonus you will rich!


Who got rich when Harvard lost SFFA?


That was a very different case. Harvard was not race blind.


Right, they were deliberately discriminating on the basis of race. Who got rich when Harvard lost that lawsuit to SFFA?


No one cares because it's irrelevant to TJ.

Re: TJ, the courts have already settled it. It's not discrimination.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
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“we are satisfied that the challenged admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students

And the (corrupt) SCOTUS left the ruling in place:
https://virginiamercury.com/2024/02/20/supreme-court-wont-hear-thomas-jefferson-admissions-case/


Some idiot keeps saying we should sure and get rich if it's really discrimination. I'm pointing out how stupid they are.


I am the idiot you referred to. The phrase clearly meant to be sarcastic (duh), because some poster here keep repeating about the new admission process is racist and discriminative while the Supreme Court already toss the case. What else should I suggest? Sue again! (This is also a sarcastic).


Are we going to ignore the racist intent?

We're literacy tests and poll taxes not racist despite being facially neutral?


TJ selection is race blind. The school is majority Asain. Asian enrollment is at a historic high. The group who benefited most from the selection changes were Asians. To say this change was racist seems dishonest.


NONE of what you said negates the racist intent or the racist effect.


The intent was adding additional seats to give access to more kids from across the county.

The effect was that more low-income Asian students were admitted. From 1 to 52 IIRC.


Either you weren't here when they were making the change, you weren't paying attention when they were making the change or you are simply lying.

The driving rationale for the change weas racial diversity
The primary effect was a less qualified student body but the most readily observable effects was a reduction of asian students and an increase of students of all other races.


So your position is that only Asian students are qualified to attend TJ? Sounds pretty racist to me.


How the fck did you get to that conclusion from what I wrote? You sound stupid.
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Anonymous wrote:Assuming these behaviors are affecting "fairness," why didn't the TJ test administrators just change the test questions every year? You can assess readiness for the rigor of TJ without repeating the questions each year.


Because creating a high-stakes test is an expensive, time-consuming process. You can’t just formulate some questions like a high school teacher does. It has to be validated.


Honest question. Why can't they do exactly that? Why can't the TJ math teachers basically write a TJ-esque Algebra I midterm exam and have all of the kids take it. It would separate the kids who have the math foundation to succeed at TJ from those who don't. If the kids currently taking Algebra II don't earn high scores on a TJ style Algebra I test, that would also let admissions know that the kids are overaccelerated, but have no real depth of knowledge.


Algebra 1 SOL could work. All kids are already “prepped” for it.



SOLs generally are not great. There is no effective time limit and you world get more perfect scores than available seats. It's better than what we have now but it's not really meant to differentiate students at the far right hand side of the curve.
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

Offers made to "academically wealthy feeders" (schools with most advanced STEM students):
Carson Middle School - 48
Cooper Middle School - 25
Longfellow Middle School - 48
Rocky Run Middle School - 22

The term “academically wealthy feeders” is used by certain posters on this forum, with a tone of envy, to describe top-ranked middle schools that consistently produce a large number of hardworking, advanced STEM students, and FCPS proudly mentions them in the TJ offers news releases.


My kid attends Carson and will be applying for TJ next year. We are upper middle class and have been able to provide them with math competition classes, STEM extra curriculars, and STEM camps because they enjoy them. I would expect that their STEM resume looks better than a FARMs kid from Poe who is interested in STEM and a strong student but does not have the same access to extra-curricular activities. I don't have a problem with the new admission system making sure that kid from Poe has a chance to attend TJ even if he is starting with less of a STEM base then my kid. The kid from Poe shouldn't be penalized because his parents couldn't afford the same opportunities we could.

There are ways to tweak the current admissions process that would improve the selection process. Increase the GPA to 3.75 and require all Honors classes. Math classes should be given a weight. 1 point for Algebra 2, .5 points for Geometry. That would mean that the more advanced math kids at schools like Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, and Rocky Run would be more likely to be in the top 1.5% and at the top of the general pool while not penalizing the kid at Poe who didn't have the same opportunities to accelerate in math.

But TJ is a public school that should be available to all the kids in our area if they meet the criteria. The old system favored kids whose parents could pay for enrichment. Adding the quota for each school opens the school to additional kids and there is nothing wrong with that.



Agreed. Also: the old system required parents to pay $100 to even take the exam. $100 is a lot of money for people to pay for an application to a high school they probably won’t get into. That’s where a lot of people will say: you were able to buy the test- because you were able to not just buy sample test questions or enrich, the test itself was expensive to begin with.

When the new system rolled out, they were going to make it a lottery, which I completely opposed and argued against on this forum. After they modified it, I have been advocating for them to keep it because it isn’t based on race. It is based on geography and merit. Raising the GPA is a good idea but the current system now is still way better than the old system. The same number of Asians are going into the school. And now we have more kids going to Princeton than in years before.

I would also like to mention that the new Principal is also Asian and seems to truly care about making sure the kids aren’t burning out and having the parents trust the process- while raising the schools academic index. So it seems to me that a lot of the parents who are complaining about the new system are of the same vein as our AG Miyares or just haven’t been really looking at the data.


Exactly. They are pushing a political narrative in an attempt to spin up ignorant voters.
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Anonymous wrote:Assuming these behaviors are affecting "fairness," why didn't the TJ test administrators just change the test questions every year? You can assess readiness for the rigor of TJ without repeating the questions each year.


Because creating a high-stakes test is an expensive, time-consuming process. You can’t just formulate some questions like a high school teacher does. It has to be validated.


Honest question. Why can't they do exactly that? Why can't the TJ math teachers basically write a TJ-esque Algebra I midterm exam and have all of the kids take it. It would separate the kids who have the math foundation to succeed at TJ from those who don't. If the kids currently taking Algebra II don't earn high scores on a TJ style Algebra I test, that would also let admissions know that the kids are overaccelerated, but have no real depth of knowledge.

Other than essay, any kind of math test would be considered an obstacle to achieve desired diversity.


Right. We don’t want a bunch of kids just from a handful of wealthy feeders. Again.



Weekday happened the first year we had quant Q? It was unpreparable and yet you still had 1% FARM, You still had 10 or fewer black admits. You still had <5% Hispanic. It was the usual suspect from the usual feeder schools getting in with quant Q that first year it was administered.
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Anonymous wrote:There is a troll here on DCUM who loves to perpetuate this lie. She repeats it to support the false narrative that TJ only admitted students from exceptionally high SES families, who could afford to (as she put it) “buy the test answers.”

Her claim is not true. It was never true.

When challenged on this falsehood, she often asserts test-preparation courses equal “buying test answers.” But, by her twisted logic, anyone’s child who does an SAT prep session or even buys a test-prep book from Amazon, has somehow “purchased the answers to the upcoming SAT.”

Call this troll out when you encounter her lies here. I’ve tried reporting her, but she’s apparently still around. I’m uncertain why she harbors such hatred towards TJ or why she insists on repeatedly lying about TJ admissions.



So, we’ve had national security leaks, and you are claiming that the TJ test could not possibly be leaked and sold!

Ok!


You can make any claim you want if you don't require any evidence.
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

Offers made to "academically wealthy feeders" (schools with most advanced STEM students):
Carson Middle School - 48
Cooper Middle School - 25
Longfellow Middle School - 48
Rocky Run Middle School - 22

The term “academically wealthy feeders” is used by certain posters on this forum, with a tone of envy, to describe top-ranked middle schools that consistently produce a large number of hardworking, advanced STEM students, and FCPS proudly mentions them in the TJ offers news releases.


My kid attends Carson and will be applying for TJ next year. We are upper middle class and have been able to provide them with math competition classes, STEM extra curriculars, and STEM camps because they enjoy them. I would expect that their STEM resume looks better than a FARMs kid from Poe who is interested in STEM and a strong student but does not have the same access to extra-curricular activities. I don't have a problem with the new admission system making sure that kid from Poe has a chance to attend TJ even if he is starting with less of a STEM base then my kid. The kid from Poe shouldn't be penalized because his parents couldn't afford the same opportunities we could.

There are ways to tweak the current admissions process that would improve the selection process. Increase the GPA to 3.75 and require all Honors classes. Math classes should be given a weight. 1 point for Algebra 2, .5 points for Geometry. That would mean that the more advanced math kids at schools like Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, and Rocky Run would be more likely to be in the top 1.5% and at the top of the general pool while not penalizing the kid at Poe who didn't have the same opportunities to accelerate in math.

But TJ is a public school that should be available to all the kids in our area if they meet the criteria. The old system favored kids whose parents could pay for enrichment. Adding the quota for each school opens the school to additional kids and there is nothing wrong with that.



But your not getting the smartest kids at Poe. You need some objective measure of academic merit like a test to determine who those are.

It's a travel that your kid that is interested in STEM is getting a boost just because you can afford expensive STEM activities is getting a boat regardless of whether that have any aptitude for stem or not.

Trading soccer all that but training is the one thing they cannot allow, even with a school quote because Poe has hard working asian students too.
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Affluent families who could afford test prep programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”



TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl


https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.


https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”


Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

Offers made to "academically wealthy feeders" (schools with most advanced STEM students):
Carson Middle School - 48
Cooper Middle School - 25
Longfellow Middle School - 48
Rocky Run Middle School - 22

The term “academically wealthy feeders” is used by certain posters on this forum, with a tone of envy, to describe top-ranked middle schools that consistently produce a large number of hardworking, advanced STEM students, and FCPS proudly mentions them in the TJ offers news releases.


My kid attends Carson and will be applying for TJ next year. We are upper middle class and have been able to provide them with math competition classes, STEM extra curriculars, and STEM camps because they enjoy them. I would expect that their STEM resume looks better than a FARMs kid from Poe who is interested in STEM and a strong student but does not have the same access to extra-curricular activities. I don't have a problem with the new admission system making sure that kid from Poe has a chance to attend TJ even if he is starting with less of a STEM base then my kid. The kid from Poe shouldn't be penalized because his parents couldn't afford the same opportunities we could.

There are ways to tweak the current admissions process that would improve the selection process. Increase the GPA to 3.75 and require all Honors classes. Math classes should be given a weight. 1 point for Algebra 2, .5 points for Geometry. That would mean that the more advanced math kids at schools like Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, and Rocky Run would be more likely to be in the top 1.5% and at the top of the general pool while not penalizing the kid at Poe who didn't have the same opportunities to accelerate in math.

But TJ is a public school that should be available to all the kids in our area if they meet the criteria. The old system favored kids whose parents could pay for enrichment. Adding the quota for each school opens the school to additional kids and there is nothing wrong with that.



TJ admits still come, overwhelmingly, from wealthier schools. Idk why you say the new system is an improvement.


Because there are now kids from every MS, even if the majority come from the 4 feeders. Kids who did not have a chance in the past, because they don’t have the same opportunities outside of school, can now attend one of the best school in the country. I think that is great. I suspect many of the Algebra 1 kids that bother so many people are coming from the four feeders as well as the schools that had not been represented at TJ in the past.


Race should not be the reason you attend or do not attend TJ. TJ was not the best school in the country because it's teachers are particularly good or because they have better facilities. It was the best school in the country because it selected the best students. With a 120 drop in PSAT score, it is no longer even in the top 100.
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

Offers made to "academically wealthy feeders" (schools with most advanced STEM students):
Carson Middle School - 48
Cooper Middle School - 25
Longfellow Middle School - 48
Rocky Run Middle School - 22

The term “academically wealthy feeders” is used by certain posters on this forum, with a tone of envy, to describe top-ranked middle schools that consistently produce a large number of hardworking, advanced STEM students, and FCPS proudly mentions them in the TJ offers news releases.


My kid attends Carson and will be applying for TJ next year. We are upper middle class and have been able to provide them with math competition classes, STEM extra curriculars, and STEM camps because they enjoy them. I would expect that their STEM resume looks better than a FARMs kid from Poe who is interested in STEM and a strong student but does not have the same access to extra-curricular activities. I don't have a problem with the new admission system making sure that kid from Poe has a chance to attend TJ even if he is starting with less of a STEM base then my kid. The kid from Poe shouldn't be penalized because his parents couldn't afford the same opportunities we could.

There are ways to tweak the current admissions process that would improve the selection process. Increase the GPA to 3.75 and require all Honors classes. Math classes should be given a weight. 1 point for Algebra 2, .5 points for Geometry. That would mean that the more advanced math kids at schools like Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, and Rocky Run would be more likely to be in the top 1.5% and at the top of the general pool while not penalizing the kid at Poe who didn't have the same opportunities to accelerate in math.

But TJ is a public school that should be available to all the kids in our area if they meet the criteria. The old system favored kids whose parents could pay for enrichment. Adding the quota for each school opens the school to additional kids and there is nothing wrong with that.



Agreed. Also: the old system required parents to pay $100 to even take the exam. $100 is a lot of money for people to pay for an application to a high school they probably won’t get into. That’s where a lot of people will say: you were able to buy the test- because you were able to not just buy sample test questions or enrich, the test itself was expensive to begin with.

When the new system rolled out, they were going to make it a lottery, which I completely opposed and argued against on this forum. After they modified it, I have been advocating for them to keep it because it isn’t based on race. It is based on geography and merit. Raising the GPA is a good idea but the current system now is still way better than the old system. The same number of Asians are going into the school. And now we have more kids going to Princeton than in years before.

I would also like to mention that the new Principal is also Asian and seems to truly care about making sure the kids aren’t burning out and having the parents trust the process- while raising the schools academic index. So it seems to me that a lot of the parents who are complaining about the new system are of the same vein as our AG Miyares or just haven’t been really looking at the data.


Removing the $100 fee was a great idea, everything else was stupid and racist.

The first class under the new system saw a 120 point drop in PSAT score. The drop in student quality is not imagined. The reason for the change was racially driven
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

Offers made to "academically wealthy feeders" (schools with most advanced STEM students):
Carson Middle School - 48
Cooper Middle School - 25
Longfellow Middle School - 48
Rocky Run Middle School - 22

The term “academically wealthy feeders” is used by certain posters on this forum, with a tone of envy, to describe top-ranked middle schools that consistently produce a large number of hardworking, advanced STEM students, and FCPS proudly mentions them in the TJ offers news releases.


My kid attends Carson and will be applying for TJ next year. We are upper middle class and have been able to provide them with math competition classes, STEM extra curriculars, and STEM camps because they enjoy them. I would expect that their STEM resume looks better than a FARMs kid from Poe who is interested in STEM and a strong student but does not have the same access to extra-curricular activities. I don't have a problem with the new admission system making sure that kid from Poe has a chance to attend TJ even if he is starting with less of a STEM base then my kid. The kid from Poe shouldn't be penalized because his parents couldn't afford the same opportunities we could.

There are ways to tweak the current admissions process that would improve the selection process. Increase the GPA to 3.75 and require all Honors classes. Math classes should be given a weight. 1 point for Algebra 2, .5 points for Geometry. That would mean that the more advanced math kids at schools like Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, and Rocky Run would be more likely to be in the top 1.5% and at the top of the general pool while not penalizing the kid at Poe who didn't have the same opportunities to accelerate in math.

But TJ is a public school that should be available to all the kids in our area if they meet the criteria. The old system favored kids whose parents could pay for enrichment. Adding the quota for each school opens the school to additional kids and there is nothing wrong with that.



TJ admits still come, overwhelmingly, from wealthier schools. Idk why you say the new system is an improvement.


DP, but there are now kids from ALL middle schools. Previously, many schools were shut out.



Academic excellence is not evenly distributed by geography, wealth or race. By the time 8th grade comes around, cognitive ability has already been fairly will developed and just going to TJ isn't going to make someone smarter if they are not prepared.
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

Offers made to "academically wealthy feeders" (schools with most advanced STEM students):
Carson Middle School - 48
Cooper Middle School - 25
Longfellow Middle School - 48
Rocky Run Middle School - 22

The term “academically wealthy feeders” is used by certain posters on this forum, with a tone of envy, to describe top-ranked middle schools that consistently produce a large number of hardworking, advanced STEM students, and FCPS proudly mentions them in the TJ offers news releases.


My kid attends Carson and will be applying for TJ next year. We are upper middle class and have been able to provide them with math competition classes, STEM extra curriculars, and STEM camps because they enjoy them. I would expect that their STEM resume looks better than a FARMs kid from Poe who is interested in STEM and a strong student but does not have the same access to extra-curricular activities. I don't have a problem with the new admission system making sure that kid from Poe has a chance to attend TJ even if he is starting with less of a STEM base then my kid. The kid from Poe shouldn't be penalized because his parents couldn't afford the same opportunities we could.

There are ways to tweak the current admissions process that would improve the selection process. Increase the GPA to 3.75 and require all Honors classes. Math classes should be given a weight. 1 point for Algebra 2, .5 points for Geometry. That would mean that the more advanced math kids at schools like Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, and Rocky Run would be more likely to be in the top 1.5% and at the top of the general pool while not penalizing the kid at Poe who didn't have the same opportunities to accelerate in math.

But TJ is a public school that should be available to all the kids in our area if they meet the criteria. The old system favored kids whose parents could pay for enrichment. Adding the quota for each school opens the school to additional kids and there is nothing wrong with that.



TJ admits still come, overwhelmingly, from wealthier schools. Idk why you say the new system is an improvement.


Because there are now kids from every MS, even if the majority come from the 4 feeders. Kids who did not have a chance in the past, because they don’t have the same opportunities outside of school, can now attend one of the best school in the country. I think that is great. I suspect many of the Algebra 1 kids that bother so many people are coming from the four feeders as well as the schools that had not been represented at TJ in the past.


Race should not be the reason you attend or do not attend TJ. TJ was not the best school in the country because it's teachers are particularly good or because they have better facilities. It was the best school in the country because it selected the best students. With a 120 drop in PSAT score, it is no longer even in the top 100.


link?
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

Offers made to "academically wealthy feeders" (schools with most advanced STEM students):
Carson Middle School - 48
Cooper Middle School - 25
Longfellow Middle School - 48
Rocky Run Middle School - 22

The term “academically wealthy feeders” is used by certain posters on this forum, with a tone of envy, to describe top-ranked middle schools that consistently produce a large number of hardworking, advanced STEM students, and FCPS proudly mentions them in the TJ offers news releases.


My kid attends Carson and will be applying for TJ next year. We are upper middle class and have been able to provide them with math competition classes, STEM extra curriculars, and STEM camps because they enjoy them. I would expect that their STEM resume looks better than a FARMs kid from Poe who is interested in STEM and a strong student but does not have the same access to extra-curricular activities. I don't have a problem with the new admission system making sure that kid from Poe has a chance to attend TJ even if he is starting with less of a STEM base then my kid. The kid from Poe shouldn't be penalized because his parents couldn't afford the same opportunities we could.

There are ways to tweak the current admissions process that would improve the selection process. Increase the GPA to 3.75 and require all Honors classes. Math classes should be given a weight. 1 point for Algebra 2, .5 points for Geometry. That would mean that the more advanced math kids at schools like Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, and Rocky Run would be more likely to be in the top 1.5% and at the top of the general pool while not penalizing the kid at Poe who didn't have the same opportunities to accelerate in math.

But TJ is a public school that should be available to all the kids in our area if they meet the criteria. The old system favored kids whose parents could pay for enrichment. Adding the quota for each school opens the school to additional kids and there is nothing wrong with that.



Agreed. Also: the old system required parents to pay $100 to even take the exam. $100 is a lot of money for people to pay for an application to a high school they probably won’t get into. That’s where a lot of people will say: you were able to buy the test- because you were able to not just buy sample test questions or enrich, the test itself was expensive to begin with.

When the new system rolled out, they were going to make it a lottery, which I completely opposed and argued against on this forum. After they modified it, I have been advocating for them to keep it because it isn’t based on race. It is based on geography and merit. Raising the GPA is a good idea but the current system now is still way better than the old system. The same number of Asians are going into the school. And now we have more kids going to Princeton than in years before.

I would also like to mention that the new Principal is also Asian and seems to truly care about making sure the kids aren’t burning out and having the parents trust the process- while raising the schools academic index. So it seems to me that a lot of the parents who are complaining about the new system are of the same vein as our AG Miyares or just haven’t been really looking at the data.


Exactly. They are pushing a political narrative in an attempt to spin up ignorant voters.


The change was racist and now the school is dumber because that's what racist want.
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