Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?

Same reason, just the opposite perspective.

I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.

Wonder why that is?

When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.

If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.

Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.

Atheist here and I wouldn’t care. Maybe some atheists do? That doesn’t mean all do, and I know that I don’t.

I know who I am and what I believe. Words can’t hurt me, but they can teach me. I keep an open, critical mind. Maybe ask yourself why you feel defensive if someone criticizes your religion or the actions of people who share your religion? Or not. It’s your life.

Critical examination of religion is great.

Repeating that God gives babies cancer is not critical examination of religious beliefs.

Is stating that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan critical examination of atheism?

Do you think that atheists believe Satan exists?

Trying to follow the “logic” here…

Atheists are insisting that God gives babies cancer.

If atheists believe God gives babies cancer, why would they not believe in Satan?

Ummmm…

Atheists don’t believe that gods give babies cancer.

The point is that if you believe in an omnipotent god then that god does give babies cancer.

Citation?

Excuse you? Citations are for things that can be proven scientifically. The existence of god has never been proven and published in a peer-reviewed journal.

Science cannot prove the existence of God because God is considered a supernatural entity, and science is limited to studying the natural world.

Science is limited.

First of all, you are making a claim with no evidence. So that cam be dismissed without evidence.

Second, you are demonstrably wrong. Science can examine anything that interacts with us or our natural world. If god does so, science can detect him. If he does not, then how do you know his nature, or even if there is one?

Third, how’s about ANY evidence, scientific or otherwise? The scientific process is the best way to examine a thing, but it is not the only way.

So your post fails 3X, at a minimum.

Science relies on empirical evidence gathered through observation and experimentation, which cannot be applied to a concept like God.

Again, this is a claim, you are making, and a presuppositional one at that. You need to provide evidence for your claim or it can and will be summarily dismissed.

Did you even read the post you replied to? Apparently not. Please go back and do so. Especially the part about science being able to examine anything that interacts with our natural world, and if the god you believe in does not, how do you know his nature or even if he exists?

Please do so and respond contextually and do not simply repeat your wholly unfounded claim.

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If you can reveal a solution that will save your neighbor, but you decide to keep it to yourself because they might find it impolite or offensive for you to share, is that justifiable?

Yes, because you might be wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.

Well from a Christian perspective it is literally part of the faith to bring others to Christ. We are called to The Great Commission. To share the Good News the Jesus died on the cross for your sins and my sins…to pay the price for that sin FOR us—that all who put their faith in Him and accept this grace are forgiven and will live eternally with God in heaven.
That’s the pay-off. That we are serving the will of God by sharing the gospel. And we would be selfish and UN-Christlike to be silent about this and keep the news of this opportunity for salvation only unto ourselves.

For atheists who want to convert others, I’m not clear on the point apart from convincing others to walk in darkness with them? What is the pay off? I don’t know.

Don’t forget, they tend to call religious people dumb and ignorant before they want them to walk off in the darkness with them.

Doesn’t that sound great? Walking in the dark with someone who doesn’t like you!

Happens all the time, but we are called to pray for them and continue to be kind in the face of adversity.
If Christians are being praised by the world, we are doing it wrong, because we are told over and over that we are called to be IN the world but not OF the world. My validation comes from Christ. I will not call what is evil GOOD and I will not call what is good EVIL, but I will show love to others and walk alongside them in their struggle.

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Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.

Well from a Christian perspective it is literally part of the faith to bring others to Christ. We are called to The Great Commission. To share the Good News the Jesus died on the cross for your sins and my sins…to pay the price for that sin FOR us—that all who put their faith in Him and accept this grace are forgiven and will live eternally with God in heaven.
That’s the pay-off. That we are serving the will of God by sharing the gospel. And we would be selfish and UN-Christlike to be silent about this and keep the news of this opportunity for salvation only unto ourselves.

For atheists who want to convert others, I’m not clear on the point apart from convincing others to walk in darkness with them? What is the pay off? I don’t know.

Don’t forget, they tend to call religious people dumb and ignorant before they want them to walk off in the darkness with them.

Doesn’t that sound great? Walking in the dark with someone who doesn’t like you!

Happens all the time, but we are called to pray for them and continue to be kind in the face of adversity.
If Christians are being praised by the world, we are doing it wrong, because we are told over and over that we are called to be IN the world but not OF the world. My validation comes from Christ. I will not call what is evil GOOD and I will not call what is good EVIL, but I will show love to others and walk alongside them in their struggle.

and be kind to people who don't have the same supernatural beliefs as you do?? And people who say they are not struggling? That would be awesome.

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If you can reveal a solution that will save your neighbor, but you decide to keep it to yourself because they might find it impolite or offensive for you to share, is that justifiable?

Yes, because you might be wrong.

The difference is that if I am wrong, the consequence is no different from joining you in UNbelief.
But if I am right, I will receive the gift of eternity with God. If I am right, your UNbelief has a cost. And I care about you—so I want to do everything I can to persuade you that God is just in His creation if the world. Sin has a cost. The price is death. Jesus paid that price for you and for me, and requires only that you accept that and love Him in return. You can choose to reject it. And that’s completely up to you. But since I believe in the power of Christ's love, and his perfect plan, I will choose to share that message with you.
IF I am wrong and have led you astray, what was the cost to you that was any greater than my being right?
And IF I am right?—we will both be very glad that I shared this with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.

Well from a Christian perspective it is literally part of the faith to bring others to Christ. We are called to The Great Commission. To share the Good News the Jesus died on the cross for your sins and my sins…to pay the price for that sin FOR us—that all who put their faith in Him and accept this grace are forgiven and will live eternally with God in heaven.
That’s the pay-off. That we are serving the will of God by sharing the gospel. And we would be selfish and UN-Christlike to be silent about this and keep the news of this opportunity for salvation only unto ourselves.

For atheists who want to convert others, I’m not clear on the point apart from convincing others to walk in darkness with them? What is the pay off? I don’t know.

Don’t forget, they tend to call religious people dumb and ignorant before they want them to walk off in the darkness with them.

Doesn’t that sound great? Walking in the dark with someone who doesn’t like you!

Happens all the time, but we are called to pray for them and continue to be kind in the face of adversity.
If Christians are being praised by the world, we are doing it wrong, because we are told over and over that we are called to be IN the world but not OF the world. My validation comes from Christ. I will not call what is evil GOOD and I will not call what is good EVIL, but I will show love to others and walk alongside them in their struggle.

and be kind to people who don't have the same supernatural beliefs as you do?? And people who say they are not struggling? That would be awesome.

Yes, this is the idea, the mission, the goal.
Christians are not perfect (far from it). We are completely broken, but putting our faith in Him to restore our brokenness through grace. You do not and should not have to share MY faith to experience the love my faith has given to me. Full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.

Well from a Christian perspective it is literally part of the faith to bring others to Christ. We are called to The Great Commission. To share the Good News the Jesus died on the cross for your sins and my sins…to pay the price for that sin FOR us—that all who put their faith in Him and accept this grace are forgiven and will live eternally with God in heaven.
That’s the pay-off. That we are serving the will of God by sharing the gospel. And we would be selfish and UN-Christlike to be silent about this and keep the news of this opportunity for salvation only unto ourselves.

For atheists who want to convert others, I’m not clear on the point apart from convincing others to walk in darkness with them? What is the pay off? I don’t know.

Don’t forget, they tend to call religious people dumb and ignorant before they want them to walk off in the darkness with them.

Doesn’t that sound great? Walking in the dark with someone who doesn’t like you!

Happens all the time, but we are called to pray for them and continue to be kind in the face of adversity.
If Christians are being praised by the world, we are doing it wrong, because we are told over and over that we are called to be IN the world but not OF the world. My validation comes from Christ. I will not call what is evil GOOD and I will not call what is good EVIL, but I will show love to others and walk alongside them in their struggle.

and be kind to people who don't have the same supernatural beliefs as you do?? And people who say they are not struggling? That would be awesome.

This is a lie. We are human. Each of us struggles with sin. Every one of us.
Mine is not to point out YOUR sin though because that is for you to wrestle with and confess and identify as you so choose. Mine is to confess my own sin, pray for forgiveness, and pray that God will move your heart to hear his call to repent from your own sin in whatever form that takes. That is what I mean by walk beside you in your struggle.

I know that Christians cm sometimes take a “holier than thou” view of our certainty of sin. And we can get bogged down in trying to define what is sin for you or me or them….but the truth is that grace lives in the space between where we are and where God wants us to be—for all of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.

Well from a Christian perspective it is literally part of the faith to bring others to Christ. We are called to The Great Commission. To share the Good News the Jesus died on the cross for your sins and my sins…to pay the price for that sin FOR us—that all who put their faith in Him and accept this grace are forgiven and will live eternally with God in heaven.
That’s the pay-off. That we are serving the will of God by sharing the gospel. And we would be selfish and UN-Christlike to be silent about this and keep the news of this opportunity for salvation only unto ourselves.

For atheists who want to convert others, I’m not clear on the point apart from convincing others to walk in darkness with them? What is the pay off? I don’t know.

Don’t forget, they tend to call religious people dumb and ignorant before they want them to walk off in the darkness with them.

Doesn’t that sound great? Walking in the dark with someone who doesn’t like you!

Happens all the time, but we are called to pray for them and continue to be kind in the face of adversity.
If Christians are being praised by the world, we are doing it wrong, because we are told over and over that we are called to be IN the world but not OF the world. My validation comes from Christ. I will not call what is evil GOOD and I will not call what is good EVIL, but I will show love to others and walk alongside them in their struggle.

and be kind to people who don't have the same supernatural beliefs as you do?? And people who say they are not struggling? That would be awesome.

This is a lie. We are human. Each of us struggles with sin. Every one of us.
Mine is not to point out YOUR sin though because that is for you to wrestle with and confess and identify as you so choose. Mine is to confess my own sin, pray for forgiveness, and pray that God will move your heart to hear his call to repent from your own sin in whatever form that takes. That is what I mean by walk beside you in your struggle.

I know that Christians cm sometimes take a “holier than thou” view of our certainty of sin. And we can get bogged down in trying to define what is sin for you or me or them….but the truth is that grace lives in the space between where we are and where God wants us to be—for all of us.

+1
Jesus minds the gap.
And the gap is Grace.

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Anonymous wrote:BC they enjoy trolling and being insufferably annoying. Maybe that's their true religion.

sounds like it's yours.

No, I'm Catholic. Atheists can be very pita. On one hand they can be insecure that you get something out of your faith and then on the other pissed off that you don't agree with what is in their mind their superior atheist insights. Usually an insufferably annoying white male left-leaning know-it-all.

Atheism is primarily white males.

Atheists and agnostics are particularly likely to be non-Hispanic whites. Fully eight-in-ten atheists and agnostics (82%) are white, 3% are black, 6% are Hispanic, and the remainder is of some other race or of mixed race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-demographics/#:~:text=Atheists%20and%20agnostics%20are%20particularly%20likely%20to%20be%20non%2DHispanic,race%20or%20of%20mixed%20race

Atheists are 64% male, according to the same citation.

So white males are disparaging religious people, hmmmm. That’s certainly a vibe.

What % of people on DCUM are men?

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Anonymous wrote:BC they enjoy trolling and being insufferably annoying. Maybe that's their true religion.

sounds like it's yours.

No, I'm Catholic. Atheists can be very pita. On one hand they can be insecure that you get something out of your faith and then on the other pissed off that you don't agree with what is in their mind their superior atheist insights. Usually an insufferably annoying white male left-leaning know-it-all.

Atheism is primarily white males.

Atheists and agnostics are particularly likely to be non-Hispanic whites. Fully eight-in-ten atheists and agnostics (82%) are white, 3% are black, 6% are Hispanic, and the remainder is of some other race or of mixed race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-demographics/#:~:text=Atheists%20and%20agnostics%20are%20particularly%20likely%20to%20be%20non%2DHispanic,race%20or%20of%20mixed%20race

Atheists are 64% male, according to the same citation.

So white males are disparaging religious people, hmmmm. That’s certainly a vibe.

What % of people on DCUM are men?

Do you know? How would I know? People here post anonymously. I don’t understand how you would expect me to know percentages based on anonymous posters?

Plus- people on the internet lie about themselves, anyway. No way of really knowing the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.

Well from a Christian perspective it is literally part of the faith to bring others to Christ. We are called to The Great Commission. To share the Good News the Jesus died on the cross for your sins and my sins…to pay the price for that sin FOR us—that all who put their faith in Him and accept this grace are forgiven and will live eternally with God in heaven.
That’s the pay-off. That we are serving the will of God by sharing the gospel. And we would be selfish and UN-Christlike to be silent about this and keep the news of this opportunity for salvation only unto ourselves.

For atheists who want to convert others, I’m not clear on the point apart from convincing others to walk in darkness with them? What is the pay off? I don’t know.

Don’t forget, they tend to call religious people dumb and ignorant before they want them to walk off in the darkness with them.

Doesn’t that sound great? Walking in the dark with someone who doesn’t like you!

Happens all the time, but we are called to pray for them and continue to be kind in the face of adversity.
If Christians are being praised by the world, we are doing it wrong, because we are told over and over that we are called to be IN the world but not OF the world. My validation comes from Christ. I will not call what is evil GOOD and I will not call what is good EVIL, but I will show love to others and walk alongside them in their struggle.

Are you trolling? Or do you actually believe this crap?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BC they enjoy trolling and being insufferably annoying. Maybe that's their true religion.

sounds like it's yours.

No, I'm Catholic. Atheists can be very pita. On one hand they can be insecure that you get something out of your faith and then on the other pissed off that you don't agree with what is in their mind their superior atheist insights. Usually an insufferably annoying white male left-leaning know-it-all.

Atheism is primarily white males.

Atheists and agnostics are particularly likely to be non-Hispanic whites. Fully eight-in-ten atheists and agnostics (82%) are white, 3% are black, 6% are Hispanic, and the remainder is of some other race or of mixed race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-demographics/#:~:text=Atheists%20and%20agnostics%20are%20particularly%20likely%20to%20be%20non%2DHispanic,race%20or%20of%20mixed%20race

Atheists are 64% male, according to the same citation.

So white males are disparaging religious people, hmmmm. That’s certainly a vibe.

What % of people on DCUM are men?

Do you know? How would I know? People here post anonymously. I don’t understand how you would expect me to know percentages based on anonymous posters?

Plus- people on the internet lie about themselves, anyway. No way of really knowing the truth.

Seems.....odd.....to think that most of the atheists posting on a mommy website are men.

But heck, if you like your little narrative that you have crafted then why bring in any facts/reality to ruin it.

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If you can reveal a solution that will save your neighbor, but you decide to keep it to yourself because they might find it impolite or offensive for you to share, is that justifiable?

Yes, because you might be wrong.

The difference is that if I am wrong, the consequence is no different from joining you in UNbelief.
But if I am right, I will receive the gift of eternity with God. If I am right, your UNbelief has a cost. And I care about you—so I want to do everything I can to persuade you that God is just in His creation if the world. Sin has a cost. The price is death. Jesus paid that price for you and for me, and requires only that you accept that and love Him in return. You can choose to reject it. And that’s completely up to you. But since I believe in the power of Christ's love, and his perfect plan, I will choose to share that message with you.
IF I am wrong and have led you astray, what was the cost to you that was any greater than my being right?
And IF I am right?—we will both be very glad that I shared this with you.

No, just keep it in your pants. Don't force yourself on others, FFS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BC they enjoy trolling and being insufferably annoying. Maybe that's their true religion.

sounds like it's yours.

No, I'm Catholic. Atheists can be very pita. On one hand they can be insecure that you get something out of your faith and then on the other pissed off that you don't agree with what is in their mind their superior atheist insights. Usually an insufferably annoying white male left-leaning know-it-all.

Atheism is primarily white males.

Atheists and agnostics are particularly likely to be non-Hispanic whites. Fully eight-in-ten atheists and agnostics (82%) are white, 3% are black, 6% are Hispanic, and the remainder is of some other race or of mixed race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-demographics/#:~:text=Atheists%20and%20agnostics%20are%20particularly%20likely%20to%20be%20non%2DHispanic,race%20or%20of%20mixed%20race

Atheists are 64% male, according to the same citation.

So white males are disparaging religious people, hmmmm. That’s certainly a vibe.

What % of people on DCUM are men?

Do you know? How would I know? People here post anonymously. I don’t understand how you would expect me to know percentages based on anonymous posters?

Plus- people on the internet lie about themselves, anyway. No way of really knowing the truth.

Seems.....odd.....to think that most of the atheists posting on a mommy website are men.

But heck, if you like your little narrative that you have crafted then why bring in any facts/reality to ruin it.

Facts and statistics are a narrative?

You tell us the percentage of male atheists posting on dcum. We will await your percentage, with documented evidence of course.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?

Same reason, just the opposite perspective.

I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.

Wonder why that is?

When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.

If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.

Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.

Who gives babies cancer, then?

In Christianity, disease is believed to be a result of sin and the fall of humanity.

So sinful babies get cancer. Got it.

Can you post the scripture you found in the Bible that supports your statement that “sinful babies get cancer?”

You just didn’t make that up? Right? You have a solid theological view from Christianity that supports your statement. Please share.

I am extrapolating from the response I got to my question “who gives babies cancer?” I think it’s bullshit that sin and cancer have anything to do with each other, but according to the PP, Christianity thinks otherwise. If you’ve got a problem with that, take it up with her, not me.

So you are making it up.

Hon. Everything about religion is made up. That’s why it’s called “faith” or “belief.” You don’t have to have faith or belief in things that can be scientifically proven.

Jesus was a real man who walked the earth. He’s not made up.

His apostles were real men.

Archeologists found evidence of King David.

Ancient artifact confirming King David's existence to be exhibited in the US

The world-famous Tel Dan Stele artifact will be on display in the U.S. for two months starting in a little more than two weeks.


The Tel Dan Stele dates back to 9th century B.C. and was discovered in the mid-1990's in Israel. It is archaeological proof of the existence of King David outside of the passages of The Bible. An inscription on the artifact is translated to "king of the House of David."
"The discovery of the stele caused an earthquake in the archaeological community," Brad Macdonald, curator of the Kingdom of David and Solomon Discovered Exibit, said in a statement. "It vanquished the common belief that King David was a fictional character and bolstered the credibility of the Bible as a valuable historical source. This is just one reason that it is one of the most important archaeological discoveries ever found."
The Tel Dan Stele is on loan from the Israel Museum.

https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/tel-dan-stele-us-display-19742149.php

So not everything about religion is “made up.”

He most likely was a real man. We don't know 100%.

Fables often have an element of truth to them.