Teacher trainee?

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

DP. A busy doctor can take leave to attend a conference, just like other working professionals. That’s part of parenting. A teacher shouldn’t be expected to Zoom outside of work hours to accommodate his schedule.

My doctor’s hours are the same as my school hours, ending at 4pm. Should I tell my doctor to schedule my medical appointments in the evening to accommodate my work as a teacher?

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

Nobody is saying they should do that. They can schedule it in advance.

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.

Fortunately, the doc told his wife he'd schedule our conference around his appointments. Def. doesn't engender the character trait you ascribed to me👍🤩

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

DP. A busy doctor can take leave to attend a conference, just like other working professionals. That’s part of parenting. A teacher shouldn’t be expected to Zoom outside of work hours to accommodate his schedule.

My doctor’s hours are the same as my school hours, ending at 4pm. Should I tell my doctor to schedule my medical appointments in the evening to accommodate my work as a teacher?

Bravo, and thanks🙏

I haven't scheduled my annual checkup because it's tough to get substitutes to take over my class, but I routinely have to schedule before and after-school parent meetings. A teacher's after-contract hours should be made billable.

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

Let alone hurling abuse and your apparent disdain by putting patients above your child, revealing how little importance you ascribe to a teacher's job or your child's behavior, I'm referring to meetings that parents initiate, to complain about how the teacher is doing things wrong - not teacher-initiated conferences "about how Johnny needs to be organized"!

Happy Easter to those who celebrate🐣🥳

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.

Fortunately, the doc told his wife he'd schedule our conference around his appointments. Def. doesn't engender the character trait you ascribed to me👍🤩

A doctor is way more important than a teacher and it is harder for them to schedule leave. They also have much higher education, harder training and are paid accordingly. No Radford grads! No one can substitute for them. Meanwhile, the IA or even the lunch lady at school can babysit your class while they read silently. You’re comparing apples to oranges.

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My neighbor is a doctor who went to Radford. Most teachers have at least 1-2 Master’s degrees by the time they retire. I have two and I’m 50 yrs old. We aren’t uneducated. Many states require teachers to earn them within a certain number of years after they start teaching. Oh and my neighbor has a floating doc come in to cover for her during her maternity leave. That’s her sub. She said many doctors just travel around covering for other doctors.

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.

Fortunately, the doc told his wife he'd schedule our conference around his appointments. Def. doesn't engender the character trait you ascribed to me👍🤩

A doctor is way more important than a teacher and it is harder for them to schedule leave. They also have much higher education, harder training and are paid accordingly. No Radford grads! No one can substitute for them. Meanwhile, the IA or even the lunch lady at school can babysit your class while they read silently. You’re comparing apples to oranges.

I’m so grateful most people don’t believe nonsense like this.

No, doctors aren’t more important than teachers. Both professions serve an important purpose that helps society function. (On that note: I can go longer without a doctor than a trash collector…)

And here’s how I know you are completely ignorant. You think kids sit silently in classrooms? Ha! That statement alone tells me you are completely unaware of the complexities of teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.

Fortunately, the doc told his wife he'd schedule our conference around his appointments. Def. doesn't engender the character trait you ascribed to me👍🤩

A doctor is way more important than a teacher and it is harder for them to schedule leave. They also have much higher education, harder training and are paid accordingly. No Radford grads! No one can substitute for them. Meanwhile, the IA or even the lunch lady at school can babysit your class while they read silently. You’re comparing apples to oranges.

I’m so grateful most people don’t believe nonsense like this.

No, doctors aren’t more important than teachers. Both professions serve an important purpose that helps society function. (On that note: I can go longer without a doctor than a trash collector…)

And here’s how I know you are completely ignorant. You think kids sit silently in classrooms? Ha! That statement alone tells me you are completely unaware of the complexities of teaching.

+1, it’s not hard for a doctor to schedule leave. When they go on vacation, they probably plan it 6 to 12 months in advance like the rest of us. If they themselves have a doctors appointment then they just don’t accept patients for those couple of hours.

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.

Fortunately, the doc told his wife he'd schedule our conference around his appointments. Def. doesn't engender the character trait you ascribed to me👍🤩

A doctor is way more important than a teacher and it is harder for them to schedule leave. They also have much higher education, harder training and are paid accordingly. No Radford grads! No one can substitute for them. Meanwhile, the IA or even the lunch lady at school can babysit your class while they read silently. You’re comparing apples to oranges.

When my doctor is out of the office, they often asked me if I’ll see another doctor in the office or a PA (so they do have “subs”)

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.

Fortunately, the doc told his wife he'd schedule our conference around his appointments. Def. doesn't engender the character trait you ascribed to me👍🤩

A doctor is way more important than a teacher and it is harder for them to schedule leave. They also have much higher education, harder training and are paid accordingly. No Radford grads! No one can substitute for them. Meanwhile, the IA or even the lunch lady at school can babysit your class while they read silently. You’re comparing apples to oranges.

I’m so grateful most people don’t believe nonsense like this.

No, doctors aren’t more important than teachers. Both professions serve an important purpose that helps society function. (On that note: I can go longer without a doctor than a trash collector…)

And here’s how I know you are completely ignorant. You think kids sit silently in classrooms? Ha! That statement alone tells me you are completely unaware of the complexities of teaching.

+1, it’s not hard for a doctor to schedule leave. When they go on vacation, they probably plan it 6 to 12 months in advance like the rest of us. If they themselves have a doctors appointment then they just don’t accept patients for those couple of hours.

You can’t schedule a conference with a teacher 6-12 months in advance, you idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.

Fortunately, the doc told his wife he'd schedule our conference around his appointments. Def. doesn't engender the character trait you ascribed to me👍🤩

A doctor is way more important than a teacher and it is harder for them to schedule leave. They also have much higher education, harder training and are paid accordingly. No Radford grads! No one can substitute for them. Meanwhile, the IA or even the lunch lady at school can babysit your class while they read silently. You’re comparing apples to oranges.

I’m so grateful most people don’t believe nonsense like this.

No, doctors aren’t more important than teachers. Both professions serve an important purpose that helps society function. (On that note: I can go longer without a doctor than a trash collector…)

And here’s how I know you are completely ignorant. You think kids sit silently in classrooms? Ha! That statement alone tells me you are completely unaware of the complexities of teaching.

You can have them read silently. I didn’t say they necessarily would be silent. But when I taught, I had a very well trained class and we did often have periods of SSR. My class was a well oiled machine so that anyone could roll in and watch them.

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

DP. Wow. Thanks for beautifully illustrating what aholes certain parents can be. As the PP made clear, she is a working mom too - and she doesn't get paid overtime to accommodate the hours of her students' parents. Deal with it.

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Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.

1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits!
3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.

NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.

I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.

Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.

You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.

If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.

Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty

I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.

Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.

At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.🤯Parents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.👍

Don’t schedule conferences before/after your hours. I don’t.

Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"

We are a two teacher family. It’s definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you don’t have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion I’ll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.

Do you get many requests for conferences?

Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."

This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"

You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But don’t expect a busy doctor to make school hours.

Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.

Fortunately, the doc told his wife he'd schedule our conference around his appointments. Def. doesn't engender the character trait you ascribed to me👍🤩

A doctor is way more important than a teacher and it is harder for them to schedule leave. They also have much higher education, harder training and are paid accordingly. No Radford grads! No one can substitute for them. Meanwhile, the IA or even the lunch lady at school can babysit your class while they read silently. You’re comparing apples to oranges.

You were saying something about idiots? ^^
DP