Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.
1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits! 3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.
NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.
I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.
Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.
You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.
If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.
Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty
I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.
Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.
At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.đ€ŻParents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.đ
Donât schedule conferences before/after your hours. I donât.
Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"
We are a two teacher family. Itâs definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you donât have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion Iâll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.
Do you get many requests for conferences?
Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."
This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"
You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But donât expect a busy doctor to make school hours.
Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.
A doctor is way more important than a teacher and it is harder for them to schedule leave. They also have much higher education, harder training and are paid accordingly. No Radford grads! No one can substitute for them. Meanwhile, the IA or even the lunch lady at school can babysit your class while they read silently. Youâre comparing apples to oranges.
You completely missed the point - each job plays its role in society - and you prove the lack of respect for a teacher by saying a doctor is way more important than a teacher. The doctor was taught by teachers!
Disrespect for the teaching profession is partly because it's not paid adequately for the skill it requires to manage 20-30 young learners everyday. Teaching multidisciplinary subjects and maintaining order and discipline, while resolving daily social-emotional issues - most of which relate to managing parents, the unpaid part of the teaching profession - is unrecognized because people like you think students can just be made to sit silently and read to themselves all day.
Since you say it's as easy as SSR, and a lunch lady can fill in, #TeacherDuty should be made a mandatory requirement for parents - it will teach them to respect their child's teacher overnight, compensate for the low pay, and allow teachers to use the time to make their doctors' appointments!âșïž
+100
A week of mandatory teaching for all parents and admin staff. With no aides. This definitely needs to be implemented.
They do not allow people who donât work for FCPS to do this for liability purposes. But if a teacher needs to leave class suddenly, they absolutely can utilize another FCPS school employee within the building or the class is divided into a few different existing classes. They do not allow just anyone to take over the class - they need a background check at a minimum and need be in the system as a sub. But you knew that.
You proved our point that most parents wouldn't "pass the test" to fill in for teachers - just like most teachers cannot fill in for doctors. If our system paid teachers better it would earn their role the commensurate respect, just like we do doctors and lawyers. At a minimum, teachers' overtime work (esp interminable parent conferences, which are more therapy sessions for the parents) should be made billable.
You should just stop. You sound stupid.
Parents could absolutely fill in if the county allowed it. Some actually do end up as subs and go through the proper channels. Subbing is not rocket science.
But no random parent could ever fill in for a dr because treating patients is very different then reading aloud to a class or teaching a math lesson.
But you knew that.
DP. You need to stop because you sound so ignorant.
Teaching is far more than âreading aloud to a classâ or âteaching a math lesson.â You need to be able to motivate unwilling and hostile students, getting them to sit down and listen to you first. And then you need to instruct in an engaging manner to students who are used to iPads and iPhones. And then you need to be able to appropriately and accurately access their progress, determining how to help their skills improve. And you need to do this for 28-30 students simultaneously with very little prep time and no breaks. Make sure you get it right each time.
So no, many people CANâT do this. If it were so easy that you (yes, specifically YOU, the ignorant PP) could come in and do it tomorrow, we wouldnât have the shortage we have. And since you havenât volunteered yet, Iâm fairly certain you are aware you arenât capable.
But you knew that.
Youâve seen the low bar FCPS uses in allowing people to sub.
It is relatively easy to get a sub for a short term thing. Subs generally do not teach lessons even. Anyone can step in and cover a class in an emergency situation.
However, anyone cannot just step in for a surgeon and take over their work.
The fact that you donât get thisâŠwell reaffirms my point.
Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.
1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits! 3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.
NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.
I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.
Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.
You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.
If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.
Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty
I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.
Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.
At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.đ€ŻParents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.đ
Donât schedule conferences before/after your hours. I donât.
Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"
We are a two teacher family. Itâs definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you donât have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion Iâll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.
Do you get many requests for conferences?
Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."
This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"
You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But donât expect a busy doctor to make school hours.
Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.
A doctor is way more important than a teacher and it is harder for them to schedule leave. They also have much higher education, harder training and are paid accordingly. No Radford grads! No one can substitute for them. Meanwhile, the IA or even the lunch lady at school can babysit your class while they read silently. Youâre comparing apples to oranges.
You completely missed the point - each job plays its role in society - and you prove the lack of respect for a teacher by saying a doctor is way more important than a teacher. The doctor was taught by teachers!
Disrespect for the teaching profession is partly because it's not paid adequately for the skill it requires to manage 20-30 young learners everyday. Teaching multidisciplinary subjects and maintaining order and discipline, while resolving daily social-emotional issues - most of which relate to managing parents, the unpaid part of the teaching profession - is unrecognized because people like you think students can just be made to sit silently and read to themselves all day.
Since you say it's as easy as SSR, and a lunch lady can fill in, #TeacherDuty should be made a mandatory requirement for parents - it will teach them to respect their child's teacher overnight, compensate for the low pay, and allow teachers to use the time to make their doctors' appointments!âșïž
+100
A week of mandatory teaching for all parents and admin staff. With no aides. This definitely needs to be implemented.
They do not allow people who donât work for FCPS to do this for liability purposes. But if a teacher needs to leave class suddenly, they absolutely can utilize another FCPS school employee within the building or the class is divided into a few different existing classes. They do not allow just anyone to take over the class - they need a background check at a minimum and need be in the system as a sub. But you knew that.
You proved our point that most parents wouldn't "pass the test" to fill in for teachers - just like most teachers cannot fill in for doctors. If our system paid teachers better it would earn their role the commensurate respect, just like we do doctors and lawyers. At a minimum, teachers' overtime work (esp interminable parent conferences, which are more therapy sessions for the parents) should be made billable.
You should just stop. You sound stupid.
Parents could absolutely fill in if the county allowed it. Some actually do end up as subs and go through the proper channels. Subbing is not rocket science.
But no random parent could ever fill in for a dr because treating patients is very different then reading aloud to a class or teaching a math lesson.
But you knew that.
DP. You need to stop because you sound so ignorant.
Teaching is far more than âreading aloud to a classâ or âteaching a math lesson.â You need to be able to motivate unwilling and hostile students, getting them to sit down and listen to you first. And then you need to instruct in an engaging manner to students who are used to iPads and iPhones. And then you need to be able to appropriately and accurately access their progress, determining how to help their skills improve. And you need to do this for 28-30 students simultaneously with very little prep time and no breaks. Make sure you get it right each time.
So no, many people CANâT do this. If it were so easy that you (yes, specifically YOU, the ignorant PP) could come in and do it tomorrow, we wouldnât have the shortage we have. And since you havenât volunteered yet, Iâm fairly certain you are aware you arenât capable.
But you knew that.
Youâve seen the low bar FCPS uses in allowing people to sub.
It is relatively easy to get a sub for a short term thing. Subs generally do not teach lessons even. Anyone can step in and cover a class in an emergency situation.
However, anyone cannot just step in for a surgeon and take over their work.
The fact that you donât get thisâŠwell reaffirms my point.
"The low bar" is because no one wants to teach, and no one wants to teach because, in addition to a tough job that requires special training and skills, teachers have to deal with condescension from ignorant parents like you.
Some subs don't teach the lesson because teaching is tough and subs aren't compensated enough to warrant the extra effort.
Without a culture shift of unquestioning respect for a teacher's technical skills and pay that's equitable to other technically skilled professions, ignoramuses like you will always look down on teaching professionals.
Anonymous wrote:It's our area's way of "fully staffing" schools with folks who have no training.
1. One wonders why we have to come up with creative ways to fill teacher vacancies - could be that teachers have to deal with the condescension, disrespect, and know-it-all attitude of parents in "our area" - cause-effect of the need to "fully staff" our schools.
2. "The folks who have no training" are carefully vetted by FCPS - they are long term subs, IAs, parents who have put their children through the system and have volunteered during that time, professionals transitioning for various reasons, including those looking for something meaningful to do with their time and, maybe, give back to their community...until they find out why there are those vacancies in the first place, and run for the exits! 3. Like the draft or jury duty, our country should introduce mandated teaching service in a public school for all of us to learn to respect our diligent, hardworking, sincere educators, entrusted with molding the foundation of the future of our country.
NP. The bolded perfectly describes my short-lived experience as a sub with FCPS. I had considered a career switch for some time and thought I might enjoy teaching. SO GLAD I decided to try subbing before going to all the time, trouble, and expense of becoming a teacher trainee and acquiring licensure, etc. What a hellish experience.
I took on an elementary school long-term sub role and regretted it within days. There was zero training, and I was expected to take on ALL of the responsibilities of a teacher - to include lesson planning, grading, parent/teacher conferences, classroom management (of a very unruly and poorly behaved class), etc. The few kids who actually wanted to be there were a delight, but the rest made it their mission to be as disruptive and disrespectful as possible. When I asked for help from admin, I literally got a shrug.
Needless to say, I absolutely ran for the exits after about a month there. Never again - but at least, now I know.
You proved my point that it is only once you are in a classroom juggling all the many duties of a homeroom teacher all day everyday, that one realizes the true worth of a teacher.
If a teacher's salary were to be doubled, society would begin to respect the amazing people who are entrusted with the foundation years of our children's future.
Instead, armchair critics heap insults on teachers and talk about how they have to reteach their kids - my foot! Put yourself in a teacher's shoes - teach 20-30 clones of your own all day, for a week - and you'll kiss the ground on which a teacher walks. #RespectTeachers
#MandateTeacherDuty
I really don't think the bolded is true. There are lots of high salary people that society doesn't respect.
Let me rephrase that: there aren't any other professions where you literally entrust your life to someone and the person is so underpaid and disrespected. Teachers are the pilots and surgeons of the classroom - in fact, they are also psychologists, scientists, mathematicians, journalists, historians, resident parent, commander-in-chief, all rolled in one. Yet the pay doesn't reflect the skill required to run the ship safely and smoothly everyday - this thread is a testament - hence the teacher exodus.
At the least, before/after contract hours parent conferences should be paid sessions.đ€ŻParents want to meet teachers before/after a teacher's full-day job, yet teachers don't get paid for that time. A teacher's time should be billable, like a lawyer's/therapist's, then there'll be a tidal shift in how society treats a teacher.đ
Donât schedule conferences before/after your hours. I donât.
Thank you for the reassurance. I didn't think it was an option in FCPS. Parents say, "I work fulltime!" and I have to bite my tongue to say, "Mine is a fulltime spa day!"
We are a two teacher family. Itâs definitely an option. Schedule conferences or phone calls during planning when you donât have CT meetings or on TW days. On occasion Iâll meet for 15 minutes or so right after the students leave.
Do you get many requests for conferences?
Not from many parents, but there are always those 1-2 overbearing ones who think they own you. Lady year, I had two sets who couldn't get enough of me and one even told me her husband is a busy doctor and cannot make it during school hours! Lol I wanted to say, "No problem, teachers are on call 24/7, too, only we don't get paid beyond contract hours."
This year I have a parent who informed me she's "a working mom" and I almost said, "Wow, we have so much in common!"
You sound like an idiot. Doctors cannot just leave their patients in the middle of the day to come talk about how Johnny needs to get more organized. Schedule a zoom with them instead. But donât expect a busy doctor to make school hours.
Case in point! Professional arrogance that puts teachers low on the pecking order, with a bonus side of abusive language.
A doctor is way more important than a teacher and it is harder for them to schedule leave. They also have much higher education, harder training and are paid accordingly. No Radford grads! No one can substitute for them. Meanwhile, the IA or even the lunch lady at school can babysit your class while they read silently. Youâre comparing apples to oranges.
You completely missed the point - each job plays its role in society - and you prove the lack of respect for a teacher by saying a doctor is way more important than a teacher. The doctor was taught by teachers!
Disrespect for the teaching profession is partly because it's not paid adequately for the skill it requires to manage 20-30 young learners everyday. Teaching multidisciplinary subjects and maintaining order and discipline, while resolving daily social-emotional issues - most of which relate to managing parents, the unpaid part of the teaching profession - is unrecognized because people like you think students can just be made to sit silently and read to themselves all day.
Since you say it's as easy as SSR, and a lunch lady can fill in, #TeacherDuty should be made a mandatory requirement for parents - it will teach them to respect their child's teacher overnight, compensate for the low pay, and allow teachers to use the time to make their doctors' appointments!âșïž
+100
A week of mandatory teaching for all parents and admin staff. With no aides. This definitely needs to be implemented.
They do not allow people who donât work for FCPS to do this for liability purposes. But if a teacher needs to leave class suddenly, they absolutely can utilize another FCPS school employee within the building or the class is divided into a few different existing classes. They do not allow just anyone to take over the class - they need a background check at a minimum and need be in the system as a sub. But you knew that.
You proved our point that most parents wouldn't "pass the test" to fill in for teachers - just like most teachers cannot fill in for doctors. If our system paid teachers better it would earn their role the commensurate respect, just like we do doctors and lawyers. At a minimum, teachers' overtime work (esp interminable parent conferences, which are more therapy sessions for the parents) should be made billable.
You should just stop. You sound stupid.
Parents could absolutely fill in if the county allowed it. Some actually do end up as subs and go through the proper channels. Subbing is not rocket science.
But no random parent could ever fill in for a dr because treating patients is very different then reading aloud to a class or teaching a math lesson.
But you knew that.
DP. You need to stop because you sound so ignorant.
Teaching is far more than âreading aloud to a classâ or âteaching a math lesson.â You need to be able to motivate unwilling and hostile students, getting them to sit down and listen to you first. And then you need to instruct in an engaging manner to students who are used to iPads and iPhones. And then you need to be able to appropriately and accurately access their progress, determining how to help their skills improve. And you need to do this for 28-30 students simultaneously with very little prep time and no breaks. Make sure you get it right each time.
So no, many people CANâT do this. If it were so easy that you (yes, specifically YOU, the ignorant PP) could come in and do it tomorrow, we wouldnât have the shortage we have. And since you havenât volunteered yet, Iâm fairly certain you are aware you arenât capable.
But you knew that.
Youâve seen the low bar FCPS uses in allowing people to sub.
It is relatively easy to get a sub for a short term thing. Subs generally do not teach lessons even. Anyone can step in and cover a class in an emergency situation.
However, anyone cannot just step in for a surgeon and take over their work.
The fact that you donât get thisâŠwell reaffirms my point.
You just stated that subs donât teach. So it seems that people canât just take over a teacherâs job, either.
Keep paying attention to teachers. You may learn something.
There are approx 363 TTs hired by FCPS. Many quit because the conditions were untenable, others were processed in their first year, but there's a large group that has not been given clear direction about coursework, who are kept on the TT pay scale for 3+ yrs,awhile teaching full-time. Their full-time teaching experience is not counted on the step pay scale, so they will not receive credit for their yrs of teaching, even though they were vetted to be qualified to do the job unassisted, like regular contract teachers. Do you know of anyone facing this unfair situation?
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